JC3+ phono preamp


Not sure if this goes under  amps/preamps or analog.

Bought a new Parasound JC3+ from Audio Advisor.   Took delivery last week.

I was replacing a Dynavector 10x2 HO MC on a VPI Classic 2, appox. 7 years old. Using VPI's  own turntable interconnects. 

JC3+ was hooking to an integrated Yamaha AX400 (don't laugh; it sounds good and has gone 33 years with one checkup, and one repair).  The Yamaha has a decent onboard phono pre, with MM/MC settings. Resistance is not user adjustable. I'd guess it defaults to 47 Ohms? Not sure. 
I hooked up the JC3+ to a line stage, "Auxiliary"  on the Yamaha. Not to the phono stage.  

The old  Dynavector seemed to have developed issues in the right channel. Continuity tests on my end, followed by double check at local repair shop seemed to confirm. So, while cartridge shopping, decided to go semi-big, for me, and ordered the JC3+.

Upon installing the JC3+ with the Sumiko, problems developed with the JC3+.

First, the JC3+ is a  hummingbird.  Seemingly, the dimmer switched lights in the room where the stereo is parked caused an annoying hum, even when the turntable connects were grounded. When I turned those lights completely off, hum went away. So long as I use a miner's light or natural daylight, hum is fixed, I guess. 
The Yammy, by contrast, does not hum, at least not to any annoyingly audible degree.
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With the JC3+ in the signal path, everything plays beautifully through one channel.  The other channel is so faint, you have to put your head a foot from the speaker to assure yourself it is not a dead channel.  If you adjust the balance knob on the Yamaha maybe three clicks, then turn the overall volume up,  you get something approaching a normal soundstage and balance.

Without belaboring how much of my weekend I spent checking various things, VTF (dead on at 2.2 to maybe a little high, which is what VPI recommends);  azimuth (close, I think, but not checked with anything more than VPI's jig), various cable combos, two sets of speakers, through A/B circuits of the amp,  anti-skate (which VPI discourages, but includes on the Classic 2) disabled/enabled, nothing changed. One channel consistently faint. 

Then here's what I found: Taking JC3+ out of the circuit completely, VPI hooked directly to Yamaha's internal phono pre, it played without issues (no  audible hum, either, btw).  No channel balance issues.  Is the onboard pre as dead black quiet as the JC3+, judging by the one good channel I'm getting from the former?  Maybe not quite, but darn close.  This is a 33 year old integrated, that I bought for less than $300 new.  The JC3+ sells for close to $3 grand. 

One can hook a JC3+ or other separate pre-amp to an input line of an integrated, right? 
No horror stories about Parasounds not getting along with Yamahas?

Build quality issues at Parasound?  I've got two ZPhono USB Phono pres, which sound great, especially for the money. They seem like little tanks, no issues.

Anyone see anything I've done wrong or overlooked here? I want to emphasize, it is not a minute difference in sound between the two channels.  Very pronounced and noticeable. 

I am preparing to send the thing back to Audio Advisor.  But if I'm leaving out some step, or anyone has a suggestion, I bought the thing with the expectation of getting something that was supposed to be among the best in its price class. 










cincinnatipete
Not yet 100% sure I flipped a toggle the wrong way.  I knew which way they were supposed to be oriented, and I set the adjacent impedance knob as carefully as I could on each channel. When I was putting it in the shipping bag to transport it to my office, that could have flipped a toggle. 

My home audio rack backs up toward a wall, and access is OK, but not optimal.  

I can say on my office  system, it works fine. 

I'll know more after I take it back home, but I at least am aware now that those toggles flip easily. 
Parasound customer service is great. I have a Halo 5 channel amp that is wonderful.
Well, it works  fine on the receiver at my office.  I have to keep the volume low-ish, but the balance seems better, sounds quite good at low levels (Thorens TD 280 (J & R Music World, class of '97?/ Sumiko Blue Point/ Yamaha  R-S300 receiver).

It may be I accidentally flipped one toggle switch to the wrong cartridge setting while connecting output cables or futzing with the impedance setting.
Those  toggles trip easier than I thought, if so. 

If the toggles were properly set (and I thought they were), then there may be some gremlin in the line inputs of the oldie but goodie home system Yamaha. 

At work, the back panel is easily accessed.  At home, due to the way the rack is placed, it is a bit harder to see, though I usually don't have operator error. 

Actually hoping it is operator error, though,  as that would restore my faith in new components, Fed Ex handling fragile stuff, etc.

I will say Parasound  reached out quickly. 


Hoping to sell the 73 year old  house, get a newer place with less accumulated dust and no dimmers.

But for now, I am going to check it with another newer Yamaha receiver .  The old Yamaha at home is much  better sounding piece of equipment, but also 33 years old. 

If it is not working right on that one, I'm  sending it back, and they have already said they'll ship me a new one.

Audio Advisor has been pretty decent for me over the years.  Got the VPI through them. 
I had an original JC3 for many years as my reference. Was the closest thing I found to my beloved Vendetta Research. It was quiet, dynamic and just a killer phono stage. I now use a JC3 Junior and just adore it. YMMV.

p.s.  Agree, lose the dimmer.
When you get this resolved, maybe consider replacing the dimmer switches with on/off switches. They are notorious for creating noise.

I had a JC3+, it hummed. Got a Pass XP-15, problem solved. They come up used occasionally.  
Tavish design is where its at. Tubed preamps at different pricing. Using my tavish the classic with vintage ge 12au7, Rca 7025, and Sylvania 5751....sounds freakin awesome. Right now trying my 2m bronze thru the mm section and it is just buttery smooth. Was using my hana el with Jensen step up, also thru the mm section, that was also fantastic. May sell the jj tubes the Tavish came with for some chump change. Vinyl sounds better thru tubes. My pro-ject tube box ds2 is put away for now, never selling it! It too is tubed and sounds fantastic. 
I have a JC3+. Dead quiet and sounds wonderful. Do you have another receiver or preamp to check against?  
You got a dud. It happens. No single mechanical thing is 100% every time. Who know, maybe it was dropped during shipping or any number of things. Send it back, get a new one. Audio Advisor will prob send you a new one before you return the old one. It’s annoying, but not a reflection on overall Parasound quality.
Never cared for the JC3+ found it noisy. Get a Gold Note PH10 and live happily ever after.
.BTW, my current  Sumiko Blackbird is the low output version. 
I get your point though, I've run the Sumiko Blue Point  (2.5 Mv  appox.?)  on the MM input. 

It actually sounded good on either. You had to be conservative with the volume knob if you ran it on the MC setting. 

You have not done anything wrong. Get your money back and use the phono stage on the Yamaha. Those high output mc cartridges are to be used with the mm input on the Yamaha!
Thanks.

The auxiliary was used for same turntable, same integrated amp, with a lower end Parasound ZPhono pre, pretty consistent use over a couple years.

This weekend, I also  went through the tuner line in connection, just to double check.  
Same issue.

I spoke with Parasound ( not Richard Schram; someone named "Phil" I believe). He suggested sending it back. I'm kind of at a loss. 
It is 5 days old. . . 

Try a different Line-In connection. The "Aux" input may be bad. Also, try turning the selector switch back-and-forth a few times which may scrape off any oxidation interfering with a good connection. You said you've tried multiple interconnects so this probably isn't the problem. BTW, turning the dimmer all-the-way-up fixes my humming problems. Install a less-strong bulb if giving off too much light.
Personal note: I tried using some long-unused speakers in some never-before used channels of my HT receiver. Caps were probably dried out as noises and pops were flying. I took a chance and things settled down after a while. (when's the last time you used the Aux input?).