Jazz for aficionados

Inna could you describe this unusual music for me? But make sure you listen all the way through.


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB6GkA54n_Q

For everyone who is tired of my old jazz, I am going to tune into WSIE Radio and find something new; how many votes can I get for this?

Frogman, how do you get e-mail addresses?  I'm wandering if I should e-mail, or ask you a question here related to $23,000. interconnects?

Like you said Frogman, this is not the thread for that discussion, "The end".

Orpheus10, that was fun ! Mingus was a very interesting person - many voices in one. I am not good at describing music in words, but I can tell that I followed this with no difficulty. Let's call it primaeval jazz. By definition it should be a little crazy. Good performance too.

I didn't know, or forgot, when I mentioned WSIE, that they don't play jazz exclusively, but a wide variety which I am not ready for, so we can mark that one off the list.

Primeval jazz was a very good description Innus. The title is in reference to when the first man stood upright.

My observation was Jackie Mac's alto, he blew the best solo he ever played on that one.

O-10, that's not what I said; actually the opposite.  Imo, there would be no need to keep it private so ask here. Not that I particularly want to discuss the subject (I frankly don't care how anyone chooses to spend their money in this hobby); but if you want to ask fire away. 

That first man is still in us, so it resonates.

Frogman, I don't care how another man spends his money either, but I was trying to exemplify how the gap between rich and poor is widening. I don't believe any "audiophile" would spend $23,000 on a 3 foot interconnect, because he would know the factors involved; such as resistance, conductance, capacitance, and realize how foolish it was; while someone who had been in on the greatest heist ever, which was the robbery of the average, or middle class American when the commodity markets were "illegally manipulated" causing gasoline and food, two necessities of life, to cost twice as much as normal.

In the past you seem to have interpreted my statements regarding such things as having a relationship to capitalism and the "American way of life". What I stated was about over-riding the CFTC and breaking laws that had been laid down to prevent "commodity market manipulation". Imagine if you could "illegally" shift the prices in the commodity markets and reap the profits.

When I guided you to a website that explicitly explained how and when such a thing was done, you simply shrugged it off with a non-comment.

I used those interconnects to exemplify how that group of people who spend money like "confetti" is growing.

Here is another unusual bassist who thinks with his heart; Omer Avital. It is stated that he descends from the Mingus family tree of bassist leaders; he does not need to display his monster chops through solos. The whole band smokes on this one.


       
                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpd-V3jRg04


It's for certain that Omer Avital will get his fair share of my musical allotment for this month; "Marrakesh" is just another one of those places that I dreamed of visiting but never made it.


                                https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDC3Kesm80wlS2qk92CsIjw

Bobby Hutcherson

This doesn't speak to me. I don't think of it as a successful east/west fusion. I'll take Mingus's neanderthal or similar any day.

Marakesh has always had a deep fascination for me, although it's a long way from the Indian rhythms you prefer.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yyt3IcWpg8


Here is another favorite by Mingus, or did you hear this recently?


            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5j4dou8osU

Eenie, meenie, minie, mo. Catch an audiophile by his toe. If he hollers, let him go. Eenie, meenie, minie, mO(-10).....rats!

O-10, O-10, O-10...must you? I have to believe that you simply don’t see or understand how provocative and downright unfriendly you come across with some of your comments and the way that you make them. Why do you make judgments about a person’s motives or reactions without having a basis for knowing? I don’t suppose it ever crosses your mind that no one here is obligated to respond to any comment made; especially when it is not specifically directed at him and, even more importantly, has nothing to do with the subject of this thread and is instead on subjects that have proven time and again to cause nothing more than discord here. Why do you choose to believe that a person is "shrugging off" your comment or link simply because he doesn’t respond to it? Believe me, I considered it and decided it was best to not engage.

As is often the case I don’t agree with your premise. You make negative generalities about audiophiles while being one yourself (mostly in other threads) and I don’t agree with you that there aren't  any audiophiles who can afford ultra expensive equipment who also understand the technical aspects. There are. Or, even more importantly, that are able to hear that sometimes that equipment has superior sonic qualities. There are. Sure, there are some who are clueless. So what? You seem to want to pat yourself on the back for being on some sort of higher moral ground or plane of understanding. Really? You have been very open and frank about the fact that you don’t know and don’t want to know about music beyond what you consider "subjective". It seems to me that the same can be said about economics and the true impact of market forces. Have you filled your gas tank in Europe lately?

Frogman, you were given all sorts of opportunities not to have the discussion which you didn't have; but you jumped off on another subject, I don't get it; one of us is in need of treatment.

By 2040 they want to phase out all cars except the electric, at least all new cars. I woud call it eco-terrorism, they need treatment not us. And what do you suppose they are going to do with old batterries? They will dump them in Africa or/and somewhere else. Slave labour is on the rise too, and I mean literally not metaphorically. The whole world is going to hell, and I think Orpheus10 senses it, though not always puts it into words quite eloquently. Yes, 99% of people who actually earn their money not make it would not spend $20k on any cables, but that's 99% not100%, generalizations are dangerous, agreed.

Orpheus10, I also like Persian rhythms and harmonizing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pycrmADI2OE

Marrakech video is very nice. Are you familiar with Morocco trans music? I can't say I am, though I heard something. Can't find it right away.

O10, if you might remember, the beginning of the Mingus "Haitian Fight Song" was featured in a TV commercial a few years ago.  I don't remember the product but it opened with an old man, then he was picked up by his grandson to go out on some adventure.  Of course I loved the music long before that but it was one of the few commercials I actually looked forward to seeing again. ;^)

In Germany I was always OK with the expensive gas as I knew it funded
the cost-free German Higher Education System and German students
had none of the horrendous debt burden so many American students have .
Also ,made me think is this trip necessary?

USA has 50-60 trillion $$$ in debt which is certain to eventually destroy the dollar . Germany has none .
Think Macro.

This trumpet player recorded three albums with Mingus: A modern jazz symposium, East coasting and Tijuana moods
  
'Their association came to an abrupt end after a violent argument, which caused the trumpeter to break his horn into pieces and leave the music business.'
 When “Tijuana Moods” was finally issued in 1962, a humbled Mingus wrote;' Not only does Clarence Shaw have a beautiful tone and beautiful ideas, but he is creative and original and plays like no other trumpet man…[He] probably would have become as famous as any other so-called jazz players if this record had been issued six years earlier when it was recorded.'

Gene Shaw quintet 'Breakthrough'from 1962. his first album (of three) he made as a leader
https://youtu.be/hDycQoNNVU8?list=PLyHn3f7-9IUJSqqqy2v3JtIQU5ZrVxmvF

more about him:http://www.jazzhistoryonline.com/Gene_Shaw_in_Chicago.html

Is Mingus volatile or what? I'm going to give that music a serious listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9MswAKmwvw&ab_channel=AndySummers-Topic

Well known, well-covered Mingus piece composed while in a less volatile, more reflective mood, I suppose.  Hope you enjoy this version.

I did read from one his band members (can't recall who) that he'd get PO'd at someone and in live performance and without notice, change up the key a song had to be played in.  Select the new key specifically to force some difficult and stressful mad scramble transposing (on top of the improvisation)!

Alex, the very first thing that impressed me about Clarence Shaw's record was the cover; a picture of urban decay; that means he has consideration for those at the bottom.

I can't quite explain it, but there is something about the music that sounds like Chicago; it's hip, classic jazz, that rings of the South Side. (that was when there was only one "South Side", and that was the South Side of Chicago, even Al Capone was headquartered on the South Side in much earlier times)

This music was made for settling back into your favorite chair, and just letting the music absorb you. That trumpet is so smooth and unpretentious, while the accompanying musicians blend in perfectly; I hope this album is still available.

Ghosthouse, this is the first time I heard someone other than Mingus play "Goodbye Porkpie Hat". This captures the spirit of sadly missing "Porkpie Hat".

Here's a vocal version of "Goodbye Porkpie Hat"


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoXYHQJvpU

o10, here is a surprising version of "Goodbye Porkpie Hat".  Who would expect it from a rock guitarist?  There are a few others as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImxM4Rj5pOQ

Then, "Is Mingus volatile or what?".  Since you're a fan, and for any others here as well, have you read his bio, "Beneath The Underdog"?  Likely more fiction than truth but still fascinating.

McLaughlin/ Hellborg played this in 1987 concerts. Better than Mingus let alone the rest.

Pryso, I've read "Beneath the Underdog" and followed Mingus as well; the man was a stick of dynamite with a short fuse. I thought his encounter with "Fat Gal" was touching. (it's a shame, but I can't recall his real name at the moment)

Inna, after that post, somebody will have to come up with a new word for "exaggeration".

Alex, here's something else for the city. Picture that time of evening when the sky turns dark red, but not dark enough for window lights in the skyscrapers to stand out bold. That's the prelude to a lot of things; maybe even a kiss; that's the prelude to "Bohemia After Dark".


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5EwGijmqKc


Bohemia after dark is all the way live; all the love that life can promise is just waiting for someone to be at the right place with the right words spoken to the right woman at the right time. ( 40 or 50 years ago of course) on one of the many streets of dreams.


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOQzRwUNS2g


     

Orpheus, read that short biography about Shaw, he recorded his music in Chicago and even had a club there. Maybe you even have visited it?

I have his first two albums, they can be found on Amazon....

When I saw title ’Bohemia after dark’ thought that will hear this version...

Kenny Clarke,with Adderley brothers, D.Byrd,H. Silver, Chambers and Richardson...
https://youtu.be/As4r4C0ZdMc

An old favorite inspired by Mingus. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2F7eiAZu7o

Acman, it's hard to believe how long we have been into Mingus without a dull moment. It's more like we've reviewed several different musicians; I wonder if Mingus had multiple personalities? I know I never get tired of all of them, and to think I had forgotten about that one.

I like to be competitive when it comes to posting selections; I want to post something at least as good as the last five that have been posted, but that's going to take awhile, 5 days maybe.

Here's a forgotten musician that I'll have to get more of; this is Mr. Billy Bang on violin.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVJMOpIHBgc


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryU4UL9E0Fo

O- thanks for the Quinitorigo version of GPH. They are new to me. Interesting arrangement. Quirky. For the record, the lyric is by Joni Mitchell (tho’ I expect you knew that).

Acman - as per usual posting something of notable quality. Like the atmospherics. Is that Robbie Robertson doing the spoken part?

More by way of Mingus "tribute"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjkyON-g3qI&list=PLQ4IOTdzCC4cywUvFGbWDKBcWf8GLgndt&index=8&...

pryso - Nothing against JB. I’ve enjoyed that track many times. Check out the Summers' GPH posted earlier if you have not already...a little less conventional and a little less flash, maybe.

Arturo Sandoval

These are some of the best contributions I can recall; the last "Weird Nightmare" is especially notable, Debbie Harry is new to me, this vocal puts me into her "Weird Nightmare".


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCmjeqo9iRc

Although this is a jazz thread, I think this pop documentary is worth presenting. Since I'm almost strictly into jazz, most of you will know more about "Debbie Harry" than me.


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJaS5mEuWCQ

Thanks ghosthouse, I did check out Summers earlier.  I was not familiar with him.  I prefer Beck, but that could be due to familiarity.  I've had his album for many years.

Any others here who didn't open that link, there are more versions of GPH to be found in the additional links along the right side.

Always a pleasure (and privilege) to make introductions.  

O - Debbie Harry was lead singer in Blondie.  You might know them (unavoidably!) or otherwise from a bunch of top 10s they had back in the bad old '80s days of Studio 54 and the like.  Her singing with them didn't lead me to expect something like Weird Nightmare. 

pryso - JB and Summers both have something to offer.  Of the two, Beck might be more firmly anchored in the blues.  Check out Beck's "Performing This Week...Live at Ronnie Scott's", if you haven't already.  Andy was guitarist in The Police but as good as some of his licks were playing with them, I pretty much prefer the solo stuff he's released in the years since they disbanded.  Much more varied and interesting, I think.  

Peggy's Blue Sky Light is a Summers' album of Mingus covers that contains Weird Nightmare with the Debbie Harry vocal. 

We have strayed a long way from "classic jazz", which is exemplified by "Clarence Shaw", to "Weird Nightmare", and "Saigon Phunk", but I think that if you are a "serious listener" you can appreciate them both more because of the contrast.

Billy Bangs "Chan Chan" is about as far from classic jazz as you can get, but I enjoyed it even more after listening to Clarence Shaw's "Breakthrough" which was the epitome of "classic jazz". Instead of just listening to the one cut that was posted, I discovered that if you just let "you tube play" you could get into where the artist was coming from.

On Yo! Ho Chi Minh is in The House, I got into the oriental aspect of the music, especially Bang's violin; but serious listeners settle in for the long haul, and complete enjoyment of the music, including the setting, which was "Vietnam" on this one.

Out of all the music that's been posted, could you let me know which one you did some serious listening to?

Ghosthouse, I remembered the name "Blondie", but since I wasn't into it, that's all I remember.

If I had known what you know, I would not have posted that documentary.

Sorry O - I'd missed the documentary link you posted when I was writing that 1:30PM post.  No problem.  Sometimes it's good to hear things in a wildly different context.

Did someone mention Oriental?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkYLilWfqzs&list=PLxFVuKFhagCvfnVF_OeqlblN7wqYP_ZUE

Herbie Hancock.

Pryso, there is nothing I like better than oriental mixed with jazz. let us hear your favorite.

Before now, I thought I had almost all of Mingus, but it seems that I'm missing more than I thought; that's because he recorded so prolifically. I see that he has the same group as on his most famous album "Mingus Ah Um". He can work things around so many different ways, that it's essential to get "all" of Mingus in order to know him; this is on order.