I love my analysis plus but...


Apparently, these Very Expensive cables are actually simple to duplicate and made with relatively inexpensive materials, his video says.

He's up to 2k views, and that's not a small audience.

Thank heavens someone is generous enough to warn the people.

 

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@hilde45 -  "Perhaps "move on" is some good advice for more than just @soix, eh?"

And you as well?  Eh. ;  )

@grk

And yet, with all that's going on in the world, you're bothered by @soix being bothered? Perhaps "move on" is some good advice for more than just @soix, eh?

@soix - It bothers you greatly? With everything going on in this world, you obsess over a dielectric?  Deal with it and move on! Geez.

@analysisplus The question remains — why at this price level would you not use a Teflon dielectric?  That bothers me greatly.  Can you somehow defend that?

Thanks for taking an interest in Analysis Plus cables. The video in question attempts to examine the termination point and not the full construction of the cable which is the primary feature of our product line. Rather than debate any points raised in the video here, we would simply invite anyone to download our 8-page White Paper that explains the basis of our cable design and its success over nearly 30 years. You can do so at: https://analysis.plus/downloads/

The guy is just showing what a rip off the so called hi end cable industry is. Any DIYer will easily see this, but those who can only speak with their money will just pay the price. I could  build that exact 6ft pair of cables for less than a hundred dollars,  and that's paying retail for the ingredients. 

love my Oval 9 Black with Magnepan LRS+ ....tried others costing less and more...Mogami and Canare didn’t quite work for me though it’s fine for the price...I use it in basement system for years...

These types of presentations have some limited value I suppose, I don't know.  What I do know is this is exactly the speaker cable I use after having owned 4 or 5 other higher end brands and these sound great (and the best)  in my system.  As with everything, YMMV........

Glanced at a few of his other videos, it's a shame how many people he is misleading.  Good example of knowing just enough to be dangerous.

I do really like seeing how high performance cables are constructed, but I gave up after he said they are using continuous cast copper and then suggested that #101 OFC is the same thing.

Not sure what cable industry experience he has, but I would be surprised if it is audio related.

@hilde45 I agree that this type of videos are destructive to the hobby and are likely to prevent the advancement of the industry to some extent.

There are a couple of things which stood out for me in this video.

One is that the analysis implies that a cable can be evaluated by cutting it open and looking at it’s parts. (DeCooney raises a question as to whether even that is done accurately.)

Is a cable just the parts inside? Is that all there is to cable design? That’s strongly implied in this "Wizard of Oz Reveal" approach. A lot in audio would suffer by this approach. But that’s not really fair to the work which goes into testing, materials science, and design -- for most audio. Are cables a special case of "what you see is what you get"? If not, then this video is seriously deficient and perhaps deserves the label, "disinformation."

Also interesting (to me) is how typical this kind of video has become -- not just for OCD guy but generally. It’s the "myth-buster" trope which deploys the lingo and rhetoric of techno-scientific analysis but which doesn’t follow through with sufficient evidence and argumentation. Of course, providing those would make the video too long for those simple-minded viewers who want to click on another video, ASAP. Those viewers just want their biases confirmed and their jolt of outrage for the day. That’s understood by the makers of this video. Bread and circuses for the plebs? You got it. Say what you want about ASR or Audioholics, they do not engage in this.

Ultimately, this approach is, in my opinion, destructive. It is a way of solidifying know-nothing tribalism. It elevates the maker as a "trusted authority" who lets you in on a little secret that the "powerful" and the shysters don’t want you to know. (Then, he says "Come, buy from me. Your trusted authority.") But it doesn’t teach people how to think and evaluate these issues for themselves.

Looking at the patent US-6005193-A and diagram, the cables OCD Mikey shows look different.  He shares flat braid with no perceptible oval dialectric inside. Where did these cables come from. Interesting, see illustration, where is 218, 230. 

 

 

I'm not saying this is the same wire, but it looks somewhat similar.  The manufacturer probably gets rolls of it from suppliers for peanuts:

https://www.amazon.com/20ft-Copper-Braid-Cable-Ground/dp/B07G8Y89QR
 

Thanks hilde45.  I’m sure there’s a lot more where this came from.  Lol. 

This guys a joke.  Just goes to show anyone can sell cables or critique them?  What's new.  Sorry I wasted 5 minutes watching.

I can’t believe these $2k+ cables don’t even use a Teflon dielectric.  Inexcusable IMHO.  I’ll take my Acoustic Zen Double Barrel shotgun cables over these any day (and I did).  I tried the Oval 8 in my system years ago and found it a bit dull and lifeless, like it needed an infusion of silver in there somewhere so I rejected it just on sound quality/synergy alone.  This video makes me even even happier I let them go.