I have had the ADD Powr Wizard in my system for a couple of weeks and I'm impressed

Congratulations, @bradmorris1   Your words beautifully communicate the essence of the ADD-Powr Wizard. 

Here's to (hear! hear!) your ongoing intense emotional connection "to the sound and the music."

Brad....kindly post a link.....Google couldn't find it

I am currently using a pair of ADD-Power ElectraClear plug in modules and concur with OP’s assessment. I was skeptic at first but then decided to give them a try. The increase in depth and realism of musical performances with ADD-Power is unmistakable.

https://add-powr.com/products

WOW!! You nailed it perfectly @bradmorris1      Great words well articulated indeed !
HEAR! HEAR!   Great pun @david_ten 

Everything you wrote is exactly what I hear and feel as well.  Isn't that the point of the hobby? An emotional connection "to the sound and the music."

btw, you should be a reviewer! @bradmorris1

All well and good, but I can't even consider purchasing anything unless the reviewer's wife who was vacuuming in the next room immediately heard the difference.  

I just purchased a Sorcerer based on a home system trial after several reviews and recommendations on audiogon..I agree with others assessment on what this does to the listening experience. I would not classify this as a tweak as I think it is more powerful than that. I would put it in the "power conditioner" category. I would recommend to others that they at lease give it a try in their system. 

I bought two of the plug-ins recently and was very impressed with increase in presence and openness. This is with 4 Shunyata Hydras, 2 PPT Omega+ Mats, 2 Akiko Audio AC enhancers in the system.

That just might be one of the worst websites I've seen. They might be great products, but you'll never know by going there.

The Sorcer does change the sound for me in my system, for the better...better bass, and all frequencies are improved. It is definitely more musical. Better air, space, depth...I am experimenting with placement - have not tried various footers yet...I found an unshielded power cord with rhodium plugs is working very well. Plugging it into a SR upgraded outlet helps. I would encourage a demo. To me, it is like a component upgrade - 

@wisper   Congratulations on the terrific outcome for you and your system with the addition of the ADD-Powr Sorcer.  And thanks for sharing your impressions and results!!!

I own the Sorcer X4 and it has become an important part of my system.
BTW, I found that the springs that Geoff sells worked better under it compared to the Stillpoints Ultra SS.

ozzy

@david_ten thanks for the review and recommendation on the ADD-Powr Sorcer! Ozzy, I will try the springs that Geoff sells. 

@wisper   Really happy to hear it worked out for you! 

IMO it is a fine web site. It looks to be a work in progress. The idea is expressed fairly well but perhaps could benefit from an explanation video.
My system has a Sorcer X4, a Wizard, several eau2s, and Symphony Pros.
There really is nothing out there that can approach what ADD-Powr has achieved. The ideas of a low frequency square wave pulsed  AC power reference, Fourier harmonic series, and resonance, has raised the bar for audio excellence bar none. 

Recordings whether sourced digitally or by analog sound remarkably fresh and interesting.
Harmonic resonance...hmmm....an interesting concept to say the least.
Audio nirvana perhaps!?

The product is discussed on the website: The AC line is "re-referenced" or re-clocked with low frequency harmonics to increase the s/n ratio.  Uses 2 AC transformers.  Let me guess, another Schumann Resonator in a different package. Perhaps? 

Precisely what is the advantage of adding noise to the electrical circuit, and what is the benefit of, "electrical environment conditioners rather than AC line conditioners." 

I would like to know from electricians and designers with power gear how is a line "re-referenced" and re-clocked? 

I have suspicions when I read about "harmonizers". 

I would like to know the impact of an "algorithm derived em field" upon an audio system. Seems quite a bit like other products I consider gimmicks. 

Some technical explanation would be appreciated. This would be a product I would perhaps demo, but certainly not buy unheard. Also, I might be tempted to use my Imbalanced System Test approach to testing it, i.e. put it on one side of the system and see if it makes the system sound skewed or imbalanced. If not, then it's not worth owning, because it's not doing enough of anything to be detected. 

Perhaps the unit could be put on one leg of the room's electric supply in order to test it. i.e. have one amp on one leg of the supply, and one on the other, and place the unit with only one leg of the electrical supply and amp. If it could not be vetted through such informal comparison/testing, I would not be interested in it. i.e. if it was said that even though only half the room's electric supply was treated, that it would still affect the entire room, etc., I would pass on the product. Way too squishy to nail down if it did anything demonstrably.  

I suspect the product would fail my Law of Efficacy, but I will not make a definitive statement, as I have not used it.  There are certainly enough people who have given testimonies, but that does not sway me. My Law of Efficacy is what matters. 

So, this thing shoots a tiny LF noise on the electric lines. You're actually adding a noise to the operation of your components, purportedly to condition the environmental energy. Sorry, unimpressed. 

"The product is discussed on the website: The AC line is "re-referenced" or re-clocked with low frequency harmonics to increase the s/n ratio. Uses 2 AC transformers. Let me guess, another Schumann Resonator in a different package. Perhaps?"

You have raised a legitimate point. ADD-Powr explains why Schumann resonators affect audio signals and systems. 

"Precisely what is the advantage of adding noise to the electrical circuit, and what is the benefit of, "electrical environment conditioners rather than AC line conditioners.""

This is not the "noise" familiar to many - that of the RF interference type.
Here the term "noise" is a very low frequency disturbance. It is not filtered away, unlike EMI and RFI, by power supplies and power conditioners.

It is conditioning the power line itself with added harmonic energy that indeed changes the reference or environment from which emerges the "juice" to power and render audio signals, for example. The idea is about adding something to create a tangible benefit. In this case it is harmonic frequency information that will resonate other electrical signals, such as audio.

If you read further, ADD-Powr asserts that pulsing the AC line (the reference) with a very low frequency square wave will impress a vertical modulation such that this "up - down" movement results in a small square wave that is carried into power supplies. Transformer secondaries,  AC bridge rectifiers, and the DC filter stages will behave as normal but with this signal pattern on the DC voltage. 

The square wave is comprised of, or is the summation of sine waves, cosine waves harmonically related. This discovery was made by the physicist, Fourier. Perhaps when such a signal is introduced, of a very low fundamental say 10 Hz, it will affect the frequencies of another complex signal like an audio signal? It and its harmonics will affect a complex audio signal and its harmonics. Makes sense to me.

The key to adding energy is the process of resonance. The idea of a tuning fork resonating another tuning fork at the same driving frequency (or harmonic) is understandable.
ADD-Powr claims that it is electronically doing something similar here.

I am sure that the technical details could be given, as with any amplifier, DAC, speaker, etc.
It is not really necessary.
The overall idea is all that is necessary for the layman audiophile to subjectively evaluate the merit and claims of the inventor or manufacturer.
But would that information aid in auditioning the product?

Of course, one must demo before buying any product. There is a 30 day money back guarantee, which is plenty of time to determine whether the product works for your system and your ears.
Use whatever test you are comfortable with.
The products work on single phase circuits and balanced power configurations.

Again, it is not "noise" in the way that you are used to thinking.
Give it a chance. You will not be disappointed.

Doug, you may want to give it a go - seriously...demo it. I am doing the same with Iconoclast cables....

I also believe ADD-Powr offers a 30 day return policy.

ozzy

So where is the test data to support the claims of ADD-POWER?
So far is seems all subjective commentary.
Look forward to AMIR -Audio Science Review, getting his hands and analyzer  on one of these .
I guarantee he will find zero benefits from having this unit in the power supply .

Through my sources, I believe that there is preliminary test data that shows FFT spectral acoustic measurements, FFT noise floor measurements, and frequency response and THD measurements with a Harmon Kardon amplifier. Testing was done by a Harmon tech.
The results are interesting and curious enough to warrant further tests.

It sure would be of interest and worthy of scrutiny by other professionals.
Surely it is possible that he may find zero benefits, based upon his knowledge and experience, but he cannot refute acoustic spl measurements,  And if those dBs reveal more acoustic energy simply from a device plugged into AC power, then that is a benefit to the amplifier's power supply.

I had a longtime audiophile buddy over for a listen...we listened for 20 minutes, then I unplugged it...listened for 5-10 minutes and then I
plugged it back in...and listened - he said, leave it in!  - much better,
I am convinced...more air, more wight, bigger soundstage, more
relaxed presentation - i.e. more musical...

I've had several of the ElectraClears in and around my system and also have a Symphony Pro. They have have been my favorite tweak in regards to power conditioning and noticed they get better after a few days of being plugged in. I just recently picked up a Wizard and have it plugged into the wall on the same receptacle where all my components are. Definitely improved the overall clarity and detail while keeping everything natural and easy. Very happy thus far with the engagement factor too.

Have any of the Wizard or Sorcer owners noticed things improve the longer the unit is plugged in, kinda like what I've experienced with the ElectraClears? 

Yes, I started with 3 ElectraClears and 2 Symphony Pros and recently added a Sorcer X4 located at the breaker panel. 
The smaller units really, really added a clarity, detail, and musicality that I had thought was improbable if not impossible to attain. I was stunned and listened for longer periods without ear fatigue. The emotional engagement factor is an additional bonus!
The X4 added further improvements to a wider, deeper sound stage. The instruments sound more real and vital. Yes, the longer the unit is plugged in the better the improvement. This, I think, is because the harmonic resonance takes a little time to really kick in and saturate the audio system.

bemused,
I have mine placed near the audio equipment about 3 feet off the floor. It's plugged into the same wall duplex that my Audioquest Niagara 7000 is plugged in.
Please try it nearer to your equipment before you settle at the breaker box.

ozzy

Agreed, mine is right near my rack...sounds great - plugged into same circuit as system, but different outlet. 

@ozzy @wisper 
I moved my Sorcer adjacent to the rack, plugged into a wall outlet on the same circuit and voila, the magic was unleashed but now with much more improvement. I was stunned at the level of richness, clarity and depth to the sound. Thanks for the tip...!

That's great to hear.
Enjoy!

ozzy

bemused,
Can you identify where you installed the Electraclears and Symphony Pros in your system to such good effect?

bernardo,
I installed the Symphony Pro on a shelf elevated 5', behind a Morell Octave Signature speaker.  The eau2 electraclears are plugged into wall outlets in the living / listening room.
 

bemused,
Some other tweaks for the future or when funds allow that helps with the Sorcer.
Experiment with the power cord. I have found that premium or highly insulated power cords are not always the best. I now use a DIY power cord with Dueland unshielded wire.

Also, try some footers, I have found that the springs that Geoff sells to work quite well under mine.

ozzy

No question about it. I agree with your observations about the power cord influence, including premium brands. I am using one made by Tweekgeek specifically for the Sorcer. 
I've got some resonance feet from Nordost to try out.

I am also using a DIY unshielded cord, barely insulated...didn't hear a difference between it and the "upgraded" one provided with the unit - so saved a few bucks and kept the DIY. I plugged and unplugged the Sorcer for my Nephew (musician) that came by the other night to listen...he easily heard a big difference pretty quickly - more air, fullness, naturalness to the sound...when unplugged he was like what just happened? And very quickly said, plug it back in...

I read the person behind Add-Powr is the same engineer who created the QRT products which was then sold to Nordost over 10 years ago.

Probably his non compete clause has ended and he has respun the technology into a new company (with improvements hopefully).

For example the  Add-Powr Electraclear is essentially a Nordost Qv2 (both inject a sine wave your 50/60hz power frequency).

The Symphony/Pro is the Nordost QRT field generator QX2 and QX4. e.t.c

agisthos,
That sounds about right.

ozzy

Indeed, those products were also available from Quantum in the early 2000s. There are posted reviews of said devices at the ADD-Powr site.
Apparently the Symphony made a big impression upon the reviewer, Doug Blackburn of Widescreen Review. He reviewed many AC power conditioners, including Monster Cable, Shunyata, and the Quantum unit's sonic benefits out-performed the others.

Demo X2 is coming my way. I have the SR Powercell SX. Hoping to sell off the SR PC and use something else like the new 1000 Core power Equi = Core.

any feedback on the 1800 or 1200 units ?

Yeah just like that this thread dies.

Any recommendations on which of these to try if on a budget?

@stevepo Steve, give Bill a call and share your system, needs and budget. He doesn’t upsell and will match the one that fits best.

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@ozzy @wisper
I moved my Sorcer adjacent to the rack, plugged into a wall outlet on the same circuit and voila, the magic was unleashed but now with much more improvement. I was stunned at the level of richness, clarity and depth to the sound. Thanks for the tip...!"

 

I agree with your wording exactly. At first I wasn’t thrilled that I may be getting only a portion of its benefits. I will have to have the wife plug and unplug this for me or use a very long extension cord at my seat to try this myself. It is sort of spellbinding how the music just relaxes. Bill S. was trying to say it is not subtle, but for me it is subtle and almost illusionary. Not quite that bad, but more subtle than Bill S. said it would be. Anyway, I’m leaning toward keeping it.

glory

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07-11-2021 12:35pm

Yeah just like that this thread dies.

Probably for the best.

Hey people, i am loving the Sorcer and wizard in my stereo system. I had ordered a plastic top out of curiosity and a qsa fuse too. When i took metal top off to replace with plastic one my girlfriend and i noticed a marked improvement in stereo and also in electric keyboard she plays. Has anyone else tried or noticed this among yourselves yet? It is better by far without either top in my system. My Sorcer is right next to my stereo and also near electric keyboard. marc  

@marc777 What you have shared has been reported by others also...positive performance upsides.

 

When i took metal top off to replace with plastic one my girlfriend and i noticed a marked improvement in stereo and also in electric keyboard she plays. Has anyone else tried or noticed this among yourselves yet? It is better by far without either top in my system.

Since I really like the Sorcer X4 that I have, I just bought the new item just released from Add-POWR, it is called the SYMPHONY I/O. And it is listed at 1/2 off during the introduction!

It is designed to be used with usb or ethernet cables. I hooked it up to my Lumin X1 and to my external hardrive. The more traditional use would probably be at the modem say to a Uptone Regen or similar device for streaming.

Thus far I am really digging it. I also connected it to my Apple TV and it really improved the video quality as well.

Highly recommended!

ozzy

 

david, that was me from an earlier post. i wondered if anyone else had done the same. i always play with top off and notice instantly when top is put on or taken off. The harmonics seem to bloom, beginning sooner and lasting longer. Addictive soul food. marc

@marc777 I meant ’outside of this thread’...out in the audio universe, far far beyond Audiogon. : )

I just tried it with the top off and I don’t notice any difference. Is it something that will take sometime or is the change instantaneous?

ozzy

@ozzy It is my understanding that it varies by system and placement. I’d reach out to Bill for a better understanding / application for your situation. I’ve chosen to keep the top on. I'll PM you.

I’ve deleted my previous post. After re-reading...it comes off different than I intended.

Here’s the second try: Happy to hear your outcome @marc777

i always play with top off and notice instantly when top is put on or taken off. The harmonics seem to bloom, beginning sooner and lasting longer. Addictive soul food.