Has anybody bought or heard a Chinese knock off amplifier?
I bought a Reisong A10 to play with tubes. It sounds -really- good. Hand wired point to point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu8VQ8nL7zc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCk12xzivp8 |
I hate all domination empires, British one or Chinese one in Tibet etc...I dont hate british citizen or chinese people....I hate CCP and some other political parties all around the world now.... I respect history.... I like knowledge and i love freedom.... I apologize for being rude but try to control what you say in relation to truth.... Anyway i apologize.... |
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Your ignorance appear much with each post sorry.... China was dominated by the superiority of English power and other european country.... The country was inundated with opium killing all spirit by the "noble" british empire... And for 4 thousand years China look at european like recently civilized apes that stole all technology from them... And it is historic truth...The list i give to you at the end is only a short one.... European cannot do this trick with the more ferocious Japan which refuse any contact in his Island before america force it b by arms...japan was quick to learn everything et became the first asian winner in a war with Russia ... Sure, the Chinese may have invented the tooth brush a thousand years ago but Laser guided munitions they had to steal from us...Your ignorance is more clear here... Tootbrush is what you would had invented yourself this year without the import of technology from china by commercial road BEFORE even Roman empire.... then read that, i am pretty sure that you will not read a book: Time between discoveries in China and the West (source: Joseph Needham *) (ex: 800 years passed between the discovery of vaccination in China and its discovery in Europe) Agriculture Row cultivation, intensive weeding: 2200 years Iron plow base: 2200 Harness trait: 500 - collar: 1000 Rotary tarare: 2000 Multi-row seed drill: 1800 Astronomy Sunspot observation: 2000 Solar wind observation: 1400 Engineering arts Cast iron: 1700 Crank: 1100 Cardan suspension: 1100 Cast iron / steel transformation: 2000 - Siemens process: 1300 Suspension bridge: 1800 Technology Oil and gas use: 2300 Paper: 1400 Wheelbarrow: 1300 Caliper: 1700 Porcelain: 1700 Umbrella-Umbrella: 1200 Matches: 1000 Printing: 700 - movable type: 400 Paper Money: 850 Seismograph: 1400 Navigable canals at levels: 1900 Rudder: 1100 Watertight bulkheads: 1,700 Medicine Blood circulation: 1800 Circadian rhythm of the bodies: 2150 Endocrinology: 2100 Diabetes / Urinalysis: 1000 Thyroid hormone usage: 1250 Vaccination: 800 Maths. Decimal system: 2300 Zero square: 1400 Negative numbers: 700 Magnetism Compass: 1500 Declination of the earth’s magnetic field: 600 Education The first draft of the examination dates back to an edict of 134 BC. AD under Emperor Han Wudi who founded a school to train future civil servants in Confucian classics. One of its most important reforms is the establishment in 134 BC. J.-C. competitive examination for the recruitment of civil servants. The system of exams is fixed under the Sui Dynasty (581-618). In 606, under Emperor Sui Yang, the Jinshi was established an advanced examination system for the selection of civil servants * Joseph Needham, author of the great encyclopedia on Science in China of which Wiki says: One of the pioneers in the field, he contributed to the recognition of China’s scientific past with, in particular, the publication of the monumental Science and Civilization in China (en), an encyclopedic collection that addresses all the developments in Chinese science. By the way this is not CCP propaganda but science history..... Educate yourself...Hate less..... |
Nothing to do with China, or Paris, but a little piece of unimportant info you may find interesting...Very interesting because Arrau is a great interpreter of Chopin.... I will try to listen to it thanks.... That add a particular "aura" to this cd.... |
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mahgister, Nothing to do with China, or Paris, but a little piece of unimportant info you may find interesting...
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My friend’s grandfather used to teach, better to say forced, him and his brother to speak FrenchNevermind the language chosen they were great friends.... And Frenchies of Paris are a bit too much precious about any french accent other than Paris.... Then it is possible that their french was indeed probably good in spite of the bad faith of some Parisian opinion.... 😊 Good story.... Here in Quebec we never guillotine the King, and we come here at the era of Rabelais....We go with the indians in the forest and killed only when attacked.... We have all our Hurons here in quebec.... Where are the Indians of the east coast ? And we navigate and walked all Us before Americans.... I apologize for a bit of national pride..... 😁 |
The N.O. of cricket, or the N.O. of matter and energy teleportation using the mind, specifically utilizing both hemispheres of the brain to create a channel through which the flow of matter and energy is realized? Either way, bit of an odd post....N.O.thing wrong with that, simply making an observation. |
"The french of Rabelais, Racine and Rimbaud....." My friend’s grandfather used to teach, better to say forced, him and his brother to speak French. It was from some older books. I am not sure as old as Rabelais, but not current. The boys learned as much as they could and then went to Paris. People were laughing at them as, apparently, that was not the language style people spoke anymore. Not that I know much about those differences, but that is what they told me. |
Je commence a’ penser que tu connais Groucho Marx personnellement!Only the rich can lend to the poor, and a poor fellow like me stole only from the rich; it is not necessary to know him to borrow his name, giving to my nudity a magnificent veil.... Care to tell what your native tongue is?The french of Rabelais, Racine and Rimbaud..... |
I noticed this too. Not being critical, just curious. The style of expression is sometimes very much in keeping with English as a second language, but at other times it’s markedly more sophisticated. He always strikes me as very decent too. Not like many of us here. Interested to know more Mahgister...People here are very generous with me.... Thanks... Even if i never spoke English in my life, save for few minutes sometimes, i listened to english everyday.... Being lazy i deduced the meaning of the words often from the context without going much in a dictionary at the times...Now with a computer it is way more easy.... This is particularly easy to read not knowing English much with science litterature which is generally very gross...i dont read novel much in english....Biographies sometimes....Mostly science or maths books... My first English ectasy apart for Poetry reading like Emily Dickinson for example come from philosopher like George Santayana incisive but magnificent prose... I remember reading his philosophical point in his book about scepticism and faith and gradually losing my grip on his subtle reasoning but going on anyway in awe by his style and his fluid embodied thinking... It was my first conscious english ectasy....I hoped my english would have been better to read him more deeply engaged at the time.... «Some mind are so beautiful my dear, i forget they are only mind»-Groucho Marx «In beautiful forms, no more body, nor spirit, but only a musical indwelling »-Anonymus Smith |
"Mahgister, your English goes from precise to old Andy Kaufman “foreign man” depending on what you are saying and how pissed you are about something..... just sayin." I noticed this too. Not being critical, just curious. The style of expression is sometimes very much in keeping with English as a second language, but at other times it's markedly more sophisticated. He always strikes me as very decent too. Not like many of us here. Interested to know more Mahgister... |
emerge from the stone ageYou know nothing about history.... Read a book.... Close TV...... Try Joseph Needham....."Civilization and science in China" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_Civilisation_in_China how arrogant the Chinese appear to beStupendous affirmation coming after your other affirmation....😁 By the way i am anti CCP.....I say it to cut your next answer.... «Ignorance is wings for the young, but an anvil in old age»-Anonymus Smith «I dont know if a man is old or young if i never seen him walking»-Groucho Marx |
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Mahgister, your English goes from precise to old Andy Kaufman “foreign man” depending on what you are saying and how pissed you are about something..... just sayin.I commend you for your observation....I thank you for because any honest feedback is the salt of life... By the way your observation is exactly right after listening Kaufman... I recognized myself in him when passion submerge me without the safe lifeboat of syntax and idioms.... 😁 I apologize for sure for my bad English mastery, you must know i never spoke and never speak English where i live and science books or documentaries instead of William Blake are not the royal road to a more Chestertonian English.... And more than that my grade in Latin, Greek, and English and mathematics were not very high.... But after 20, i begin to read about mathematics and sciences in English, and begin a love affair also with linguistic and poetry....i thanks God now for the Greek and Latin i hated at the time, i learned a great deal about history with them without even being conscious of learning... My deepest regards... |
"Above is relevant to this thread because we shouldn’t buy Chinese hi-fi, knock-off or legit." This thread is not, at least according to OP, about your fears and righteousness. It is about sound quality of Chinese knock-offs. Ramblings about taking over the world are misdirected and sad to even consider. While you are at stealing inventions, be ashamed of using some of the China’s. You know what they are. Not to mention, who is "we"? |
+1 daj You got it! The world has to slowly wean itself off Chinese manufacture that we foolishly allowed ourselves to pass to them. Also avoid investing in China and prevent them buying into our companies, sending their students, etc. so they can steal our technology. Naysayers: Above is relevant to this thread because we shouldn't buy Chinese hi-fi, knock-off or legit. As the great man said: "Well, you know, lots of people complainin’ that there is no work I say, “Why you say that for When nothin’ you got is U.S. made?” They don’t make nothin’ here no more" |
HOBO 452 Concur with your post......I just also recently acquired a MUZISHARE X7 Integrated Tube amp and it is indeed a superb device. Using it with an ARC 6SE PREAMP, as you can use the X7 as just an Amp (yes I know sounds absurd to use a $1400.00 Tube Amp with the ARC (17K MSRP), but the amp holds it own in this pairing. Of course MUZISHARE is a well established brand in China, and this post doesn’t really speak to the question posed by this thread, as the MUZISHARE isn’t a Clone of anything.....There’s a lot of great equipment coming out of Asia in general and China specifically. CHEERS..... |
Arguing about trade or economic injustices the world over misses the point, in my opinion. For me, the crux is the nature of governance in question. If you think the Chinese government as the dominant power would make for a better world, I believe you are sadly mistaken. It may be impossible to avoid China all together, but buying ChiFi is just feeding the monster that plans to eat you. Nature is unjust. There is no shortage of injustice all around us. But, if you think we have legitimate complaints in this country about government surveillance, open your eyes to what is going on in China. Understand the nature of the threat and what their vision for our future is. Then, maybe you will think hard about giving money to a country where surveillance is just one tool in a kit being developed for the purpose of taking human beings and remaking them to align with government specifications. Remember, our system is messy. Things would be a lot more orderly and efficient with government programmed robots. Remember when we laughed at North Korea's inability to hit us with nukes, and then, all of a sudden they could? Keep contributing to a growing superpower and see how it works out for us and the rest of the world. |
Why buy a knock off top brand piece of gear if you can buy excellent gear from chinese brands with "incredible" perfomance price ratio? There are many very good chinese audio brands like Audio-GD, Line Magnetic, Cayin, etc. All of my audio gear, but the speakers and the subs, is from China and I've heard systems costing up many times mine not sounding that good. I'm from Argentina and I've bought my Line Magnetic LM508 amp and some tubes from Mr Yong, the owner of www.china-hifi-audio.com He is an authorized LM chinese dealer and very professional. Please don't turn this thread into a political one. |
builder3, "Anger? Or things you don’t agree with?" It has nothing to do with me. I simply think that fear is wasted on some audio forum. Why not go directly where you can be heard by people who matter? Let us know what they said. I am certain they have better formulated answers than all of the posters above have questions. They may even make sense to you (plural). Office of Economic and Commercial Affairs — Embassy of the People’s Republic of China in the United States of America (china-embassy.org) |
I only point to the necessities of cooperation and world trade organization empowerement... Is it not clear? Did i suggect patent violation worlwide being the norm and the solution? But think about that: in the world actually vaccination is a necessities, analyse the unjust distribution of vaxx products in poor and rich countries...a low percentage of population monopolizing more than the rest of the world with STOLEN money.... Disease dont discriminate poor and rich... Analyse the negative consequences of abject poverty in disease transmission and incubation... Analyse the monstruosity of the MONEY in medecine BUSINESS and research BUSINESS....If you dont know that science dont exist anymore in medecine and had been replaced by tech and business you are blind and deaf.... Are you? Analyse the total Abjection of the patent industry in life product and reduction of live genomic to merchandise.... After that call me and recall me your indignation about false watches from China... People that produce counterfeit anything are thieves. It’s no more complicated than that. People that buy things from thieves are either ignorant, or amoral Your simplification of the problem is the mountain and high ground where you put yourself in security against others... Judgement is very easy indeed.... It is not me who are in moral high ground it is you.... And dont accuse me of children labor profitering.... All rich country people PROFIT now from this.... Unbeknownst to them or not...Open your eyes.... The problem ask for solutions that are not one country solution, or technocatratic corporation protection... Solutions of the world problems exceed binary thinking, communist/capitalist.....Thief/ rightful-consumers etc I am an optimist, the era of stupidity touch the end, we cooperate like one humanity or we die...In the 2 cases there is no more problem.... Across universe NO civilization can survive in an economic system like ours... NONE.... Poor people from poor countries can work. What is your news channel? Are you a martian ? A simple problem for you: If 9 percent of the global population lacks access to water, how many work against a minimal wage to only barely survive? |
What a bunch of BS, mahgister. Poor people from poor countries can work. The governments that control those countries can actually design and build products that haven't been pirated from others. But that won't happen when others turn a blind eye to their current practices. Are you suggesting that we also should have remained silent about the toys for toddlers that were painted with lead paint? Or the pet food that contained poisonous ingredients? So poor people can work to eat? I'm not buying your ill-thought-out "moral high ground", I'm sorry. |
clearthinker 2 fake watch stories. Many years ago, at least 50, I found out about a coin shop and jeweler (not sidewalk stuff), fake Cartier Tank watch. The seller said, it looks like the original, but DO NOT take it to Cartier for repair. Big smile. Also many years ago, maybe 30, a client’s facilities manager came from Chicago to NYC. We going to lunch, he says let’s walk on that side of the street. He had seen a guy selling fake Rolex the day before. I said, noooo, sidewalk, on top of a cardboard box is not a good idea. He buys one, back to Chicago. Comes back about a month later, same thing, his had broken. Who would think it, but the guy was there. My friend picks one up, looks the guy straight in the eye, hands him his broken one, says that’s yours. Did I forget to mention my friend was HUGE. Seller smiles, off we go. OP, sorry again. |
People that produce counterfeit anything are thieves. It’s no more complicated than that. People that buy things from thieves are either ignorant, or amoral.Poor people from poor countries must buy US and must not work to eat? 😁 Black and white in morality is sometimes very pragmatical but for whom? We had a good advice here i think..... Guys,World trade Organization |
glupson6,945 posts02-03-2021 6:22amGuys, Anger? Or things you don't agree with? |
Guys, I think your anger is misdirected here. You should go and discuss it here... World Trade Organization - Home page - Global trade (wto.org) |
Until China ends this illegal trade in knock-offs and stealing IP rights, Trump is correct. China is not fit to trade with other nations. A friend of mine bought a fake Rolex years ago. He showed it to me while we were sitting by the pool in Thailand. I could see it was fake (watch out, they're a lot better now although cost a lot more than $20. Anyhow, I wanted him to admit it was fake. So I waited til we got up to go in the pool. He started to take it off. I said: no Graham, that's waterproof to 2000 feet. He said, no not this one. |
yogiboy, funny, thanks Mashugana Ike mentioned here (spelled wrong sometimes) https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/17130-the-death-of-the-home-stereo-system/page/6/ OP, sorry to wander from your discussion. |
