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Has anybody bought or heard a Chinese knock off amplifier?
There are a lot clones coming out of China and power amplifiers seem to be along for the ride.
Mark Levinson, Goldmund, and Accuphase are some of the big names I see replica’s being advertised for sale. These replica’s range in price from $500-$2000. My curiosity every time I see these always is do they even sound like the brand they are trying copy? Another thought that comes to my mind when I see them is, are they even safe or reliable. I myself wouldn’t touch one of these, but that’s me. Has anybody heard one? If so it would be interesting to hear some opinions regarding these amplifiers.
Mark Levinson, Goldmund, and Accuphase are some of the big names I see replica’s being advertised for sale. These replica’s range in price from $500-$2000. My curiosity every time I see these always is do they even sound like the brand they are trying copy? Another thought that comes to my mind when I see them is, are they even safe or reliable. I myself wouldn’t touch one of these, but that’s me. Has anybody heard one? If so it would be interesting to hear some opinions regarding these amplifiers.
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Understanding Geniuses or Goethe is not about arguing.... I dont doubt by the way you are talented... It was never a competition between Sidis and you.... But Why undermining my point about interesting Geniuses biographies? And Goethe or Archimedes are not dead....Spirit dont die.... Goethe for example never used first and foremost, "arguments", he was a supremum artist, and a natural scientist, he created art or he observed nature never argue about it....He only argued against the Newton way to reduce colors and he "argued" only with experiments against him, establishing the physiology of colors perception for the first time in history which was praised by all, especially Edwin Land father of colors photography....It is only one of his accomplishment.... I will mute myself and going back to audio.... Sorry.... my best to you.... |
Now let's talk about the so-called 'data driven' mindset. If you read the forums, it becomes apparent fairly quickly that 'measurements' is the new game in town. In fact, it's the only game in town. Listening is optional! It's no surprise that the low-end of the Chinese audio industry has latched on to this as an opportunity to gain market share. We've moved from an artisan approach to one that's focused on numbers alone. People used to buy based on the designer's reputation (Nelson Pass, Bob Carver, etc.), now they base their decisions on charts and graphs. Again, listening is not required.Thanks for you wise observations indeed.... My best to you.... |
Some facts cannot be an exageration....Some can... They exist or not, like his conference at Harvard officially recorded, or like his description of black hole in a book... Then affirming after that that some facts are exagerated, yes probably some are.... But the main point of his genius in history is not and even cannot be negated nor reduced because of the others proven facts....Superficial scepticicism can negate it , founding a new sceptic club, and calling it a myth.... 😁 The philosophy of my time has no appeal to me, but I am aware that intelligence is overrated.Whithout offending you ,you are beside the point...The fact that thephilosophy of your time has no appeal to you does not means the same thing in your case than in the case of Goethe... Can you understand and state clearly why for example Charles Sanders Peirce denying some Kant point of view, reverse to it in his own way, promoting a kind of phenomenology very different than Goethe one... You cannot , not because you are not interested, but mainly because that does not make sense for you.... Then you cannot assimilate Goethe understanding of phenomenology from his reading of Spinoza against the nominalism of his time, and your own desinterest for your own contemporary philosophers neighbours motivated by a lack of understanding to his complete understanding... No? Intelligence is not I.Q. and cannot be overated.... I.Q. is always overrated.... Marilyn Vos Savant is supposed to be on par with Goethe in I.Q. points...There is even NO comparison at all between the genius of one and the real and very great intelligence of this woman tough... |
Think you said you are a reader of biographies. I doubt there is a more fascinating subject than Rimbaud.One of the most extraordinary bio is about one of the most extraordinary man... RIchard Francis Burton, the only genius, on par with Freud and Lévy-Strauss, in their fields, whom was a linguist speaking perfectly at least 45 or 55 languages, one of the greatest translator of English Litterature, one great Poet and Writers on hiw own, One of the greatest explorer of the British Empire, and a man among men, who beat 7 times the greatest french swordsman... But the most incredible one is not this one... Try William James Sidis, an easy man to evaluate... We can consult his conference at Harvard at 11 years old about the projection of 4 dimensional body in Euclidean 3 -d space... At this age he was speaking almost all main European languages and has already create an artificial language of his own, apparently better than Esperanto.... The list of his feats is too incredible to be believe... His I.Q. has no way to be measured by apes... He lived vouching to remain unknown but cannnot be successful....He discovered black Hole by theoretical reflexion like Laplace in his only physic book at 17 years old and published it on his name at 20... Norbert Wiener himself a prodigious genius speak of him in his autobiography and even Wiener seems less talented when we compared the speed of childhood development... Some life are too extraordinary to be believe.... And so turn the earth.... Archimedes was so intelligent that if enough people on earth had understood him rightly at his times, humanity may have been able to travel to the moon one thousand years ago.... He created the infinitesimal calculus and the infinite concept before Newton did... But it was a greek who let few pages....Probably with Tesla, Ramanujan. Gauss and Goethe, and Leonardo, one of the greatest soul to live... Imagine the genius of Goethe, a poet that use more words than Shakespeare and Rabelais, and a first order biologist, contradicting Newton and refutating it about the physics of colors....Goethe was so intelligent that the philosophy of his time has no appeal to him and he founded the philosophical phenomenology on more secure ground than even Husserl after him.... |
I hate all domination empires, British one or Chinese one in Tibet etc...I dont hate british citizen or chinese people....I hate CCP and some other political parties all around the world now.... I respect history.... I like knowledge and i love freedom.... I apologize for being rude but try to control what you say in relation to truth.... Anyway i apologize.... |
Your ignorance appear much with each post sorry.... China was dominated by the superiority of English power and other european country.... The country was inundated with opium killing all spirit by the "noble" british empire... And for 4 thousand years China look at european like recently civilized apes that stole all technology from them... And it is historic truth...The list i give to you at the end is only a short one.... European cannot do this trick with the more ferocious Japan which refuse any contact in his Island before america force it b by arms...japan was quick to learn everything et became the first asian winner in a war with Russia ... Sure, the Chinese may have invented the tooth brush a thousand years ago but Laser guided munitions they had to steal from us...Your ignorance is more clear here... Tootbrush is what you would had invented yourself this year without the import of technology from china by commercial road BEFORE even Roman empire.... then read that, i am pretty sure that you will not read a book: Time between discoveries in China and the West (source: Joseph Needham *) (ex: 800 years passed between the discovery of vaccination in China and its discovery in Europe) Agriculture Row cultivation, intensive weeding: 2200 years Iron plow base: 2200 Harness trait: 500 - collar: 1000 Rotary tarare: 2000 Multi-row seed drill: 1800 Astronomy Sunspot observation: 2000 Solar wind observation: 1400 Engineering arts Cast iron: 1700 Crank: 1100 Cardan suspension: 1100 Cast iron / steel transformation: 2000 - Siemens process: 1300 Suspension bridge: 1800 Technology Oil and gas use: 2300 Paper: 1400 Wheelbarrow: 1300 Caliper: 1700 Porcelain: 1700 Umbrella-Umbrella: 1200 Matches: 1000 Printing: 700 - movable type: 400 Paper Money: 850 Seismograph: 1400 Navigable canals at levels: 1900 Rudder: 1100 Watertight bulkheads: 1,700 Medicine Blood circulation: 1800 Circadian rhythm of the bodies: 2150 Endocrinology: 2100 Diabetes / Urinalysis: 1000 Thyroid hormone usage: 1250 Vaccination: 800 Maths. Decimal system: 2300 Zero square: 1400 Negative numbers: 700 Magnetism Compass: 1500 Declination of the earth’s magnetic field: 600 Education The first draft of the examination dates back to an edict of 134 BC. AD under Emperor Han Wudi who founded a school to train future civil servants in Confucian classics. One of its most important reforms is the establishment in 134 BC. J.-C. competitive examination for the recruitment of civil servants. The system of exams is fixed under the Sui Dynasty (581-618). In 606, under Emperor Sui Yang, the Jinshi was established an advanced examination system for the selection of civil servants * Joseph Needham, author of the great encyclopedia on Science in China of which Wiki says: One of the pioneers in the field, he contributed to the recognition of China’s scientific past with, in particular, the publication of the monumental Science and Civilization in China (en), an encyclopedic collection that addresses all the developments in Chinese science. By the way this is not CCP propaganda but science history..... Educate yourself...Hate less..... |
Nothing to do with China, or Paris, but a little piece of unimportant info you may find interesting...Very interesting because Arrau is a great interpreter of Chopin.... I will try to listen to it thanks.... That add a particular "aura" to this cd.... |
My friend’s grandfather used to teach, better to say forced, him and his brother to speak FrenchNevermind the language chosen they were great friends.... And Frenchies of Paris are a bit too much precious about any french accent other than Paris.... Then it is possible that their french was indeed probably good in spite of the bad faith of some Parisian opinion.... 😊 Good story.... Here in Quebec we never guillotine the King, and we come here at the era of Rabelais....We go with the indians in the forest and killed only when attacked.... We have all our Hurons here in quebec.... Where are the Indians of the east coast ? And we navigate and walked all Us before Americans.... I apologize for a bit of national pride..... 😁 |
Je commence a’ penser que tu connais Groucho Marx personnellement!Only the rich can lend to the poor, and a poor fellow like me stole only from the rich; it is not necessary to know him to borrow his name, giving to my nudity a magnificent veil.... Care to tell what your native tongue is?The french of Rabelais, Racine and Rimbaud..... |
I noticed this too. Not being critical, just curious. The style of expression is sometimes very much in keeping with English as a second language, but at other times it’s markedly more sophisticated. He always strikes me as very decent too. Not like many of us here. Interested to know more Mahgister...People here are very generous with me.... Thanks... Even if i never spoke English in my life, save for few minutes sometimes, i listened to english everyday.... Being lazy i deduced the meaning of the words often from the context without going much in a dictionary at the times...Now with a computer it is way more easy.... This is particularly easy to read not knowing English much with science litterature which is generally very gross...i dont read novel much in english....Biographies sometimes....Mostly science or maths books... My first English ectasy apart for Poetry reading like Emily Dickinson for example come from philosopher like George Santayana incisive but magnificent prose... I remember reading his philosophical point in his book about scepticism and faith and gradually losing my grip on his subtle reasoning but going on anyway in awe by his style and his fluid embodied thinking... It was my first conscious english ectasy....I hoped my english would have been better to read him more deeply engaged at the time.... «Some mind are so beautiful my dear, i forget they are only mind»-Groucho Marx «In beautiful forms, no more body, nor spirit, but only a musical indwelling »-Anonymus Smith |
emerge from the stone ageYou know nothing about history.... Read a book.... Close TV...... Try Joseph Needham....."Civilization and science in China" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_Civilisation_in_China how arrogant the Chinese appear to beStupendous affirmation coming after your other affirmation....😁 By the way i am anti CCP.....I say it to cut your next answer.... «Ignorance is wings for the young, but an anvil in old age»-Anonymus Smith «I dont know if a man is old or young if i never seen him walking»-Groucho Marx |
Mahgister, your English goes from precise to old Andy Kaufman “foreign man” depending on what you are saying and how pissed you are about something..... just sayin.I commend you for your observation....I thank you for because any honest feedback is the salt of life... By the way your observation is exactly right after listening Kaufman... I recognized myself in him when passion submerge me without the safe lifeboat of syntax and idioms.... 😁 I apologize for sure for my bad English mastery, you must know i never spoke and never speak English where i live and science books or documentaries instead of William Blake are not the royal road to a more Chestertonian English.... And more than that my grade in Latin, Greek, and English and mathematics were not very high.... But after 20, i begin to read about mathematics and sciences in English, and begin a love affair also with linguistic and poetry....i thanks God now for the Greek and Latin i hated at the time, i learned a great deal about history with them without even being conscious of learning... My deepest regards... |
I only point to the necessities of cooperation and world trade organization empowerement... Is it not clear? Did i suggect patent violation worlwide being the norm and the solution? But think about that: in the world actually vaccination is a necessities, analyse the unjust distribution of vaxx products in poor and rich countries...a low percentage of population monopolizing more than the rest of the world with STOLEN money.... Disease dont discriminate poor and rich... Analyse the negative consequences of abject poverty in disease transmission and incubation... Analyse the monstruosity of the MONEY in medecine BUSINESS and research BUSINESS....If you dont know that science dont exist anymore in medecine and had been replaced by tech and business you are blind and deaf.... Are you? Analyse the total Abjection of the patent industry in life product and reduction of live genomic to merchandise.... After that call me and recall me your indignation about false watches from China... People that produce counterfeit anything are thieves. It’s no more complicated than that. People that buy things from thieves are either ignorant, or amoral Your simplification of the problem is the mountain and high ground where you put yourself in security against others... Judgement is very easy indeed.... It is not me who are in moral high ground it is you.... And dont accuse me of children labor profitering.... All rich country people PROFIT now from this.... Unbeknownst to them or not...Open your eyes.... The problem ask for solutions that are not one country solution, or technocatratic corporation protection... Solutions of the world problems exceed binary thinking, communist/capitalist.....Thief/ rightful-consumers etc I am an optimist, the era of stupidity touch the end, we cooperate like one humanity or we die...In the 2 cases there is no more problem.... Across universe NO civilization can survive in an economic system like ours... NONE.... Poor people from poor countries can work. What is your news channel? Are you a martian ? A simple problem for you: If 9 percent of the global population lacks access to water, how many work against a minimal wage to only barely survive? |
People that produce counterfeit anything are thieves. It’s no more complicated than that. People that buy things from thieves are either ignorant, or amoral.Poor people from poor countries must buy US and must not work to eat? 😁 Black and white in morality is sometimes very pragmatical but for whom? We had a good advice here i think..... Guys,World trade Organization |
I dont know if China can create now a great amplifier.... Among all the sea of junk however i bet they can... China invented almost anything basic in all fields, centuries and even millenia before Europe figure it out and borrow it most of the times.... I will copy only the partial list if you dont know it and if you asked for.... Propaganda is not reality, communist one or capitalist one... I am not chinese by the way, i only read books.... I read Joseph Needham book about China when i was 25 years old 45 five years ago then my "news" is very old news.... China own at least 3 millenia of continuous history and more in reality... Then.... Coming back from the moon they can make an amplifier.... 😁 The problem is the CCP, not their science and tech..... I dont know tough what are the name of their best audiophile products.... If someone knows i am curious.... Japan is top audiophile design creator of products like Korea... |