Directionality of wire

@almarg Fire phasers!💥

Geoff is actually a magnanimous and beneficent soul. Not infrequently he suggests tweaks that would cost the user nothing, and that provide him with no monetary return. An example is the following excerpt from his post dated 9-7-2012 in this thread:

Taking all telephone books out of the house will usually be audible when you go back and listen to the system. Even if the telephone books are in other rooms of the house, they should be removed. The telephone book is perceived as an intruder by virtue of the fact that it is linked to a strong Field created by the tens or hundreds of thousands of identical telephone books. So, the link to that field can be eliminated by removing the telephone books from the house, making the house Safe from the telephone book "information field".

Regards,
-- Al :-)

The only difference between Geoff's snake oil and that of other snake oil sellers is that it is a bit more obvious. At least this scam is still quite cheap compared to $599 bi-wire jumpers from Nordost.

@georgehifi   Thanks for the link.  I never looked at Geoff's stuff before.  I consider myself to be pretty into system tweaking, but what I saw there makes my efforts absolutely mainstream! 😲

"Lead, follow or get out of the way."

You may call yourself a leader Geoff, but it’s of the electronically minded gullible, who believe in the same snake oil you peddle on your website. And that’s nothing to be proud of.
http://www.machinadynamica.com/

And at 74! who are you trying to kid
https://blog.medel.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/The-History-of-Hearing-Loss.jpg

Cheers George

Whoa! Hey! Look, I am not a seller of fuses, not a dealer for fuses, shucks, I don’t even use fuses. Or cables. I’m just trying to help people out. I’m not trying to set the world on fire. Just start a flame in a few hearts. ❤️

Maybe it's just me but does anyone else notice it's almost always the most uh, obstinate repetitive salesmen, and no, I won't mention any names, who claim they hear it for perfectly good reasons (self interest)?

Gentle readers, as we have seen on the various fuse threads some folks do not hear wire directionality. Well, some folks don’t hear aftermarket fuses, period. Never mind the direction. But to be fair there are some perfectly good reasons why this is so. Shall we review the reasons some folks don't hear certain tweaks, like fuse or cable direction? 😁

Maybe it’s just me but does anyone else notice it’s almost always the most uh, strident naysayers and no, I won’t mention any names, who claim they don’t hear it? 🙄

"Lead, follow or get out of the way." - Old audiophile expression

Geoff Kait
Machina Dynamica
Advanced Audio Concepts

Indeed. You have just shown the Emperor's new clothes for what they are.

 Earnest made a suggestion? 

blindjim wrote,

"sorry. I was just informed about this.

It is sheer folly to argue or debate something one can easily prove or disprove using their own equipment.

In the case of directionality of wires, just listen to what is goong on now. Take notes.

Later, merely disconnect a pair and reinsert them in double reverse order, putting the pos on the neg, and the neg on the pos, plus, backwards from their original installation.

Listen after all is warmed up. Listen theu the next few days. Take more notes.

Compare the notes. Anthing different? You have your answer."

>>>>>>Is it just me or is it getting harder and harder to distinguish sheer sarcasm from earnest suggestions? 😳

There are patents from major corporations (10-50-100B $ corporations) in this area of molecular research and engineering, regarding alloys and elements.

You deniers should really do your research.

One considered corp, has a annual cash flow of $76 billion, and has representation in 193 countries and has about..what...maybe..100 million functional examples of this sort of engineered thing out there in the world? Probably more, actually.

Who and what it is, I’m not going to tell you.

No hints for the ever watchful competition.

sorry. I was just informed about this.

It is sheer folly to argue or debate something one can easily prove or disprove using their own equipment.

In the case of directionality of wires, just listen to what is goong on now. Take notes.

Later, merely disconnect a pair and reinsert them in double reverse order, putting the pos on the neg, and the neg on the pos, plus, backwards from their original installation.

Listen after all is warmed up. Listen theu the next few days. Take more notes.

Compare the notes. Anthing different? You have your answer.

Regardless the conclusion , the case is closed. IYO. And it is indeed only Your Opinion that matters then and there.

For the record. I could care less about wires being directional or not. Any science or anecdotal information pro or con IMO is a moot issue.

One can if one wants, attribute it all to the FM circuit . in every component. Anything indefinable or unmeasurable, blame it on the FM circuit.

I only know some wires sound different than others. Just as some gear sounds different from other similaryly priced likewise gear. I know too, highly resolving gear sounds better after being warmed up and or run in, or both.

In essence, to coin an aged and aging Audio axiom, “Everything matters!”

@Geoffkait
Geoffkait > It’s always great when some excitable new person comes along and starts a new thread on wire directionality, especially when he is a skeptic.

Geoffkait > I always get a little bit suspicious when a long post starts out with the word truth in the first sentence and, "I’ve got decades of experience," in the next breath.

@Geoffkait

Blindjim > Demonstrating obvious disdain and suspicion towards another at the onset of any member’s post is regrettable behavior. Always. Its also a certain sign of a closed mind and intolerant attitude. Putting words into other mouths is worse.

> FWIW If you can bend your signal cables into a knot, put that knot into a container half filled with an old bottle of mogan David, stick a carnation in it, and all is supported on a bed virgin Siamese Cat’s whiskers, and hear a freaking difference, then Out damn standing!!! For you.

I won’t argue your beliefs. I don’t have your ears. Your gear. Or apparent mental state at that precise instant.

I’m about to break one of your forum rules by noting a few things here which seem to have been authored by others who concur given their accounts in this thread.

> Let me understand this, in the 13 or 14 pages of this topic, your posts amount to the most of any other member by an incredible margin. Its not even close if you do the math with Roman numerals.

So, then, it’s OK to say stuff so long as you merely say it briefly in spurts and bits, and regurgitate the same rhetoric over and over, ad nausea, instead of saying your piece and moving on?.

I did read thru the entire thread up and until my post. It took a couple hours give or take. But only about 35 mins leaving out your ‘Homeric’ commentary.

> I mean, man! You post and repost even if no one else posts in between, until someone does! Get a clue man.

> Buy another book of quotes. Better yet, try being original and develop your own. Developing your own home spun insights could possibly keep you from sniping at anyone who even remotely may appear to disagree with you. belittling others, sniping, making derogatory inferences and plainly demeaning someone else is despicable.

>> Not for nothing but I’ve been here as a member for a pretty good while (’03 - ‘04) and have seen the same arguments, inquiries, requests for help, best of’s, etc. time and again.

> this time I felt to infuse some humor and did.

“…unemployed ant farm scarecrow makers..”

“Power cords especially, Because you can not reverse the ends. They don’t fit. Even if you push really hard!!"”

> For anyone to read what I posted, and not see it as purely an brief interlude of humor defies logic and sensibility. Especially the last sentence I wrote on irreversible power cords which you took to task for some unknown inane quest.

> If you could not see the wit in even that line alone, you are hopelessly and haplessly witless. As so many of your poorly chosen juvenile attacks on other posters in this thread bares witness..

> You further confirm it by entirely omitting the proposal of ‘try it for yourself’. Completely. It is understandable as it does not suit your purpose and would vividly decry your own obnoxious and ill advised retort.

I went on to read thru the balance of this thread well, thru 10 pages of it as that was all I could take, and the primary things I came away with from it all is that you have some serious internal issues you should deal with ASAP.

Otherwise, I’m sure you are a great human being. However, It simply has not been visibly demonstrated in the context of this particular thread via your posts, untoward allegations and shattering insinuations you appear to take such pride in handing out simply defies further articulation.

And, As the strength of this topic spanned several days, there was sufficient time to easily determine it is more important to you to be right, than to be happy. As well, it is more important to you to be intolerant and inconsiderant and further your voice regardless the outcome. Argumentative is your forte. Not understanding, or allowing other people to just be other people is clearly and regrettably absent.

Of all the noteable insights provided on these pages Al among others volunteered his thoughts in an objective a manner as anyone could. To thereafter take his thoughts as condescending says a lot.

> we don’t drag in a cart of O scopes, and multimeters, am-probes, meggers, and lasers when we are about to hand over hundreds or thousands of bucks for this or that. We carry our fav media, and maybe we clean the wax from our ears, maybe not. We listen, and choose. Choosing solely on what we have heard, and what the deal involves.

The dialectric was pointed out and then more so later in this piece. Maybe that is it. Dunno. I do feel different wires, yield different results upon the sonics, and or presentation. This is based solely on EXP. Oh, and my ears. And my gear. In my home.

Not everyone will agree with me all the time. That’s not a bad thing actually. Free thinking should be promoted not devalued.

Be happy. Life is far too short to do otherwise too often.
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jea48 >
blindjim - Don’t believe me…. As is always the case here… try reversing one or both supposed directional cables and listen for yourself over the course of a few days or a week!!!

jea48 > > Do you believe ICs and speaker cables SQ improve with break-in, burn-in, settle-in, or what ever you call it? If yes, where is the proof?.

Blindjim > yes. In my notes covering the time from initial installation to when the sound became consistent and without further noticeable changes or improvements. It is indeed only my proof, but it is sufficient, as it has been revisited time and again with various pieces which pass or operate with electricity.

This is how I attend to my ‘litmus’ test.


jea48 > > I can hear the SQ continue to improve after they have been playing music after an hour or two. I have read similar posts on audio forums and from audio magazine reviewers that state the same thing. I can't recall any actual bench tests using test equipment verifying the improvements in SQ though. Have you?

blindjim > nope it is a non issue IMO.

Although an argument sure seems the onus I’m not into it. I concur with many of your own EXPs. So… now what?

In 2001 had someone told me wires made a diff, I would have either laughed or shook my head and drifted away from their [presence. I was brought up in the era where we used lamp cords or extension cords for spkr wires. To be fancy we might buy a roll of pretty jacketed 16 to 12 AWG twing pair wires. Maybe.

Working commercially as an electrician for some time after being a electronics tech in the military for a number of years, my thoughts on wires and or cabling among other aspects of audioland, were nearly intractable.

Only thru first hand EXP with various items making up the audio system, bit by bit, did I begin to see not everything can always
be judged solely on its own merits if system synergy is the goal.


Everything matters. Somethings matter a lot. Some things matter less. Somethings simply do not matter at all but we think they do.

The mystery begins with the first amp and pair of speakers, the magic we seek, arrives later on as the system is fully arranged. It seems to have a life of its own. Its own voice.

I call this mysterious behavior and inexplicable outcomes due to the various FM ckts. Or ‘Freakin’ Magic circuit’.

All 14 inch pizzas taste exactly the same. As long as they have the same amount of dough, sauce, cheese and the same number of pepperoni. A bias controlled double blind test will confirm this.  A proper test would require 100 consecutive correct choices, otherwise they are deluded. Any one who claims other wise is suffering from severe confirmation bias and is running around with an oven mitt on their head. They have been duped by the pizza makers for years and continue to insist that one is better than the other. 

He said sheepishly. 🐏

The little nonbeliever sheep following the little naysayer people would like a round, square or deep dish pizza, home delivery, piping hot, or no tip, extra large. 

I think that once a slice of deep dish gets squarer, the L, C, and R become more difficult to measure because the area (distance) covered by the flow is augmented by the width and depth being the same amount and then you have to factor in the crust effect.

there is a lot of mis-direction in this thread

Pizza slices are directional. Obviously. That’s why they’re shaped like a diode. 🍕 The whole pizza, on the other hand, is obviously non-directional. That’s not rocket science. 🚀

Pizza is directional before you eat it but there's only way it goes once you do. 👇

This is excellent stuff, keep it up please😂

Just called "Dominos now.  Progress marches on...

Ouch! Very ouch! Slow day at Domino's Pizza, Georgie Boy? 🍕 🍕

And Geoff you should lay off the "hydro" bud, it's messing with your mind.

Cheers George

Costco_ emoji, Have you given any consideration to laying off the bud? And could you also try to lighten up and get a sense of humor somehow? 

@geoffkait"

I don't use cables or interconnects or power cords anymore so I guess I really can't comment."

Does this policy apply to all wire-related threads or only the $5K speaker cable thread? Since you don't use fuses anymore.....

Stalker No. 2 checks in. What is this the Revenge of the Nerds Pt. 2? I did get the last word, though. Chalk one up for kosscrosst. 

It’s lonely at the top, Georgie Boy. How are things on the bottom? 😬

These are great ones, and there's 3 pages of it.

 "I just perused this "Machina Dynamica" website. Wow. At least this guy has a relatively benign outlet for his mental illness."

" Geoff Kait - a very strange person. If the Intelligent Chip is not far enough out there for you, try the Teleportation thing."

" I didn't know I was so popular. Whoa!"

Geoff you really are certifiable! When is it going to be enough.

Wish you a speedy recovery, you need to check yourself in.

Cheers George

I didn't know I was so popular. Whoa! 

Some background: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/machina-dynamica

Wow! All I have to do is mention the word Zippy and the flood gates open up. 💦💦 The ultimate? Gosh, I had no idea. 😛

Here about our Geoff: http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-ultimate-in-snake-oil.379379/

Ouch! Good one, Zippy!