David Wilson must be a little annoyed...


the Absolute Sound has pronounced the relative new-comer Magico as having designed the least-flawed loudspeaker in the world (the Q7). the Wison XLF is described as the best "cost-no-object" speaker, and while "flawed" in some respects, is the company's best effort yet. given the lengthy history of attempts at making a perfect transducer, Wilson and its many devotees might take all this as a funny way of saying "better luck next time" instead of "this by far exceeds all that has come before which was already pretty darn good".
i have little doubt that, for $180,000 (or name another huge number) the Q7 is very VERY good. the cabinet is "inert", the drivers weigh next to nothing, and the crossovers are made from premium parts arranged as carefully as technology allows. But once upon a time, the B&W 801 Matrix ($5500) was
called the "audio end of the road" by Stereophile. so ACCURATE was this loudspeaker that you could tell what kind of bassoon the guy in the orchestra was playing, and on what row, completely distinct from every other instrument being played. you needed a chain of superior components upstream of course. but i will never forget personally auditioning this speaker and thinking "WOW"
as the music was clearer and cleaner with the best bass extension than anything i had ever heard before.
of course better speakers HAVE since been designed and the bass i was so impressed with turned out to lag behind the other drivers and needed a better design, better parts, etc. to catch up. but the Kevlar midrange unit is still with us in various forms, and the isolation of the "head unit" from the low-bass is also still a common technique. but how many multiples of $5500 (even allowing for inflation) does it take to clean up the sound of a loudspeaker, and also keep it from "shaking and baking" if you really crank up the volume?
I think everyone knows that probably $20K, maybe $30K, should give the speaker manufacturer a lot to work with. And for $50K you could wrap it in the most attractive materials on the planet Earth.
After 60 some odd years of reading about "OMG" components in the audio press, I would love to congradulate Magico on the one hand, and express my annoyance from another (and another ad.infinitum) article about the new greatest hi-fi thing for [you can't afford it]. personally i just happen to like the shape and appearance of the Q7 a lot, very clean, very uncomplicated. i do favor using grill coverings however, and feel that should always be an option
lest someone comes along "poking" the drivers to see how they move. there might even be some "contour" controls on the back turning up or down the tweeter or attenuating the bass to allow for a less than perfect room (although how could one place a "perfect" speaker in an imperfect environment?)
if this entire argument is exciting, or conversely tiresome, i just would like other persons' reactions to these pronouncements in the audio press.
and WHAT IF the Wilson XLF was placed side by side with the Q7 and you asked pro reviewers as well as music lovers to decide which speaker was better and/or which would be easier to live with long run?
while you're at it bring in a Rockport, MBL, Kharma, Nola, etc. set of speakers and try to decide all over again. Make it even more fun, and limit
the selling price to $50K or below, and see just how close you can come.
Just some random thoughts as we enter into the Audio Cliff....
french_fries
Prefers the MM Micro Ones to the Magico Q7? How can this be?
Well,TAS may want to review these Micro one speakers.
They're not just speakers, they're status symbols and deserve every bit of mockery and insult as much as praise. Perhaps more.
Of course, the guy listing his Q7s on audiogon at the moment begs to differ and found himself something he likes better (the Evolution Acoustics MM7 to be precise). And then there is a pair of Evolution Acoustics MM3 listed. The seller of these is in the market of a pair of ....Wilsons! So now we are full circle. Sonics aside, I like the aesthetix of the Magico's and find the Wilsons butt ugly.

to clarify, the Evolution's that the Q7 owner preferred to his Q7's were the MM Micro One's he had purchased for a second system in his home. he has not yet heard the MM7's.
I look at a lot of the "ultra high end" stuff as being works of art, and in that context a bargain. $4 Million for a painting by Richter or $175 grand for some Magicos...and the Richter doesn't require an amp. On the other hand I've always felt it's more fun to indulge in the art of assembling inexpensive stuff that sounds great.
"Why? You already have an "ALL OUT ASSAULT" system."

One can never have too many toys, right?

Well, maybe expensive ones......
Or maybe it is just one more of JTinn tricks. He has got a bag full of them, designed especially for the gullible audio nuts.
"But I do appreciate the effort being made, and the risks taken and hope to see the downstream results of their research and development to more affordable products, either by Magico or others. "

For extreme comparison/contrast, John Strohbeen at OHM Acoustics has been doing this exact thing now refining his CLS Walsh driver and speakers for over 30 years. They are now in their 4th generation of refinement, or essentially 1 marketed revision every 7-8 years or so, and sell for a small fraction of Magico cost regardless of room size or bass level requirements. Also totally different company styles and target markets, I would say, OHM being about as blue collar/pedestrian a small business operation as there is (despite JS's MIT engineering school credentials). OHM targets the best performance possible for minimal cost always. Magico targets the best performance possible at any cost and provides several smaller and lesser models for less but still most pricey.
The point of SOTA speakers like the Magico and Wilson is to push the limits of what we can do to reproduce live music at home. Even their designers will admit that they have not reached that point, and so they continue to tweak. At their level, those tweaks are increasingly expensive. I mean, you can design an enclosure, but you still have to build one to see how it actually will sound, and after milling out tons of aluminum, you find no improvement? Well, back to the drawing board. I wonder how many expensive prototypes Magico went through before finalizing their design and building the first one. For a comparatively new company, they have certainly stepped up and taken a run at the best. Whether they are, I will never know, since I have neither the funds nor the inclination to make that evaluation. But I do appreciate the effort being made, and the risks taken and hope to see the downstream results of their research and development to more affordable products, either by Magico or others.
I think companies like PSB have used some of their concepts in speaker enclosures to make better speakers at reasonable prices, ie syncrony and imagine series, with layered enclosures and curved sides.
Of course, the guy listing his Q7s on audiogon at the moment begs to differ and found himself something he likes better.

Maybe he didn't have the nuclear reactor needed to drive them ?
Of course, the guy listing his Q7s on audiogon at the moment begs to differ and found himself something he likes better (the Evolution Acoustics MM7 to be precise). And then there is a pair of Evolution Acoustics MM3 listed. The seller of these is in the market of a pair of ....Wilsons! So now we are full circle. Sonics aside, I like the aesthetix of the Magico's and find the Wilsons butt ugly.
"even if i had the money, etc. i still wouldn't do it. Would I?"

I'd like to think I would not in that I like to keep things simple (having been born and raised in AMish country after all), but I'll let you know for sure after I maybe hit the lottery someday.
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Why? You already have an "ALL OUT ASSAULT" system.
Perhaps as an adjunct to reviews about almost-perfect speakers, amps, etc.
would be a blue-print of a room to set up this equipment in, with a full set
of specifications on materials needed, including wiring, and all other household appliances taken into consideration in minimizing intereferences (especially when the air-conditioner kicks in)., then come up with an approximate price range to build such a room.
i would still have a problem with a room without comfortable furniture, pictures and other art-works to look at, etc. I have been to many auditions where there is literally nothing in the room besides an equipment rack and a chair.
SO you would have to contemplate perhaps building a house from scratch with a special area in which strict control over noise and other distractions is a priority, and a separate living area to hang out in for everything else.
Would that be Weird, or the only way to enjoy a $150,000 turntable, a similarly priced pair of amplifiers, and so on down the line? Wouldn't you HAVE TO do it after attending an audio show with scores of components that can run up a total of hundreds of thousands of dollars, and voices that keep whispering in your ear that THIS is what you need to experience total immersion in fully-realistic sound? I have to confess to having such thoughts over the years (and then shrugging the whole ridiculous notion off- even if i had the money, etc. i still wouldn't do it. Would I?
And i wouldn't have a 25 car garage like Jay Leno either....

Have we reached "the absolute sound" yet?

If not how will we know it when we hear it?

IS it better than sex?
No speaker plays as well away from home in an away game in an opponents venue. Kinda like most NFL teams.
""Go listen to live musicians and use it as a template to recognize and appreciate natural sound. You`ll be happy and spend far less money." Charles1dad"

Good advice!
"Go listen to live musicians and use it as a template to recognize and appreciate natural sound. You`ll be happy and spend far less money." Charles1dad

Amen I say to that again!
****To really enjoy music you don`t have to get caught up in the merry go round chase for the temporary "best" component.Go listen to live musicians and use it as a template to recognize and appreciate natural sound. You`ll be happy and spend far less money.**** - Charles1dad

Amen to that!
Interesting thread. There are those who love Magico and those who love Wilson or many other brands. I listened to the Q7 at Goodwins with eight of my own LPs and can only say that the review describes pretty much what I heard. Despite the speakers being very big, they simply disappeared. The tonal balance was unbelievably balanced and natural sounding to the point that I had difficulty hearing the system and just became overwhelmed by my music.

I think it will be difficult for Robert Harley to soon write another such enthusiastic speaker review. What would a speaker have to do to be better in his opinion? If the review encourages a few people to seek out a dealership to actually listen to some of the Magico Q-series speakers, so much the better. Magico is pushing technology IMO and the hobby is better off for it.
It's funny...I've been to Goodwin's and also thought how sad it would be if somebody poked a tweeter in the Magicos as it is kind of an exposed and I assume fragile little bugger. I like tweeters with permanent screens for that exact reason.
I doubt it--David's Speakers are everything Magico always wanted to be.

Team212
The Q7 is amazing. Listened to them for a while at Goodwin's in Waltham MA. Never heard a Wilson speaker that I would want for myself. Davt I'm with you on the Verity's.
The more experience I`ve gained over the years, the more inconsequenial these proclamations by reviewers have become.To really enjoy music you don`t have to get caught up in the merry go round chase for the temporary "best" component.Go listen to live musicians and use it as a template to recognize and appreciate natural sound. You`ll be happy and spend far less money.
Regards,
Well, I am not so impressed. I read the article and then erased every "7" and replaced it with a "9". then I gushed a little more and BEHOLD, the newest greatest bestest mostest transducer (I like this word, seems to get a lot of use lately) of transducence ever. And because it hasn't been invented yet I can afford it and enjoy my old Verity's some more in the mean time.

PS, I am ready for the budget when the "9's" are out, just change the same article to read "11".

In all honesty, I would love a pair of magico's or wilsons, but as I also love my Verity's and they are MY Verity's I will just have to let my delusions work for me.
I have my Merlin TSM's (I've had for years) that I'll be sending to Bobby P shortly to upgrade . . . in hopes of avoiding the 'audio cliff'.
Not after 327 all-purpose yards in a big win over the Saints. Oh, you mean another David Wilson...
Absolute Sound...just one magazine's opinion. Too big and too heavy for my room anyway.