Now, this is not a advertisement, just a posting sharing my experience on some well made great sounding cables at a very reasonable price. Besides, I don't think Cerious Technologies is set up for a big influx of cable orders.
But, if you get the chance to try these cables, please do.
I have been interested in the newer cables coming out that are using Graphene as a conductor. SR cables seemed interesting, but I always hated the way there cables had all those extra wires (with the active shields and such). I then noticed an ad early in I think November or December from Cerious Technologies for Graphene cables. I investigated how the cables were assembled and it seemed like quite a laborious process.
I ordered (with a 30 day money back guarantee) the balanced Graphene interconnects, and boy did they impress me. Such depth, soundstage, realism, frequency smoothness, effortless sound. I was truly impressed! I now have a complete loom of the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. That is; interconnects, speaker cables, digital cables and power cords.
I ended up selling all of my other cables and to those of you who have read my postings know that cables have always been my curiosity.
So, as I began this post, let me again iterate, I have no alliance to the company, my posting is for those of you looking for an great alternate high quality Graphene made cable without spending a fortune.
I just wanted to contribute my first feedback being a new customer. I wasn’t living in the world of cables whose price tag included a comma. My world to date was been cables in Bob’s price range.
I have started with a custom single ended interconnect and a blue power cord. I inserted the IC first for a couple of days then added the power cable to my tube amp. Ok, I’m very impressed and I know my break in period still has awhile to complete based on other’s feedback I’ve received offline. I won’t repeat the improvements but I’m getting similar gains others have already noted. I’m certain that the "full loom" is in my future, and I have in fact already ordered and paid for the speaker cables. Those, I’m really looking forward to!
Without question, Bob’s cables are an amazing value. If they are also competitive at pricing multiples, that’s something I’ll have to take on faith from others, because spending over a grand for a cable just isn’t in my makeup. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve heard some very expensive cables and drooled with desire. I am so glad to be getting that level of sound without the cost. Bravo, Bob!
I'm using a GE bnc digital cable and a pair of balanced ICs and I'm pleased with their performance. Been in my system for a while now so me thinks they're broken in. A lot of folks here seem to be taken with SCs which might be my next move. How much do the power cables bring to the party in addition to the above cables?
@rja I find the power cables to be very good. I own the Blue, Yellow and Red. I highly recommend the speaker cables and the power cables, because in my system I noticed the most amount of positive change.
What did you use before and what do you like better about the GE digital cable?
tommylion -
"Wow! The GE digital cable, at $200, has got to be one of the biggest bargains in high end audio. If I had paid $1000+, I would still consider it "worth it" for the improvements I am hearing. and
"I feel with the CT there is a more realistic sound or perhaps less coloration. The sound stage is bigger and deeper and none of these changes are subtle. Most importantly I am enjoying the music more."
This is a good description of what I am experiencing with the digital cable. The sound is more relaxed, more "analog-like", if you will. The subtleties of the music come through clearer, making it easier to connect with the emotion and message."
Good description tommylion. What cable were you using before the GE digital cable?
I am asking you guys about your impressions because I am trying different BNC digital cables now and so far have only tried a Canare copper cable and most recently the Oyaide DB-510 solid silver cable. I need to let the Oyaide burn in but I would also be interested in trying something a little different. The other one I have considered is the Mad Scientist Heretical Digital Cable PLUS, a carbon fiber digital cable.
Does anybody know what sort of Male/NEMA AC plug is used on different Cerious power cord? By looking at pictures, it seems these AC plugs look like Oyaide ones! However there is no any description or any marks ...
Anybody hear from Bob this week? He usually responds within a few days or so but it's been about a week since I sent him a message. I know he said last weekend he was going out of town, just hope he's doing alright.
t_ramey, I have been in contact with Bob to discuss ordering cables. He has responded promptly and thoroughly to my questions.
I am considering ordering the digital cable but probably not the speaker cables. The construction of the lead-outs and terminations make very short speaker cables difficult to construct using the GE technology. I only need 1M to go from my monoblocks to my speakers and I have been pleased with the WE10ga wire I have been using, configured for 7 awg to each pole of each speaker. However, I am still auditioning digital cables and have a few candidates yet to choose from.
@mitch2, Another digital cable you might want to consider is the VH Audio Pulsar Ag Silver Interconnect. You would have to send an email to VH Audio and ask Chris to make you one set up with the BNC you want. I was involved in beta testing the interconnect and I can tell you that it sounded every bit as good as my reference digital cable; the Stealth Varidig Sexet. The CT digital cable that Bob makes is also very good. I still have and use the Ag Silver and CT digital in different systems.
Yeah, as he requested in a phone conversation, I emailed Bob on Nov. 10 about getting the order form for a set of speaker cables, but have not heard back. I know he's very busy, will call him back.
Ordered a set of GE XLR interconnect last Tuesday in .5 meter length, finished and shipped Thursday and received today. Playing them right now and what a huge difference in sound quality versus my AZ Silver Reference II. Thanks for the great turnaround Bob!
Message me if you are looking for a CT Digital Cable 1/M RCA or a CT Interconnect 1/M RCA. I might know where one can find one of each lightly used but broken in.
My set of GE speaker cables are on the way! My question to current owners is if I should expect there to be a break in period, during which the sound may not be good. Or do they sound good right away? Bob says they are not directional, but has anybody tried them both directions? Thanks!
@mtrot, Based upon my experience and what others have said in this forum your GE speaker cables will sound good right out of the box. When you install them, set the speaker cables up exactly the way you want them and then don't move them around or it will degrade the sound for a while and require another short break-in period. I also suggest all speaker cables and power cords be elevated off the floor sitting on top of some type of riser for best performance. Total break in time can run anywhere between 50 - 150 hours for full break in, however, I'm sure you will be impressed as soon as you install them in your system. My speaker cables that I purchased this past summer have directional arrows, but if the speaker cables you receive don't have direction arrows just install them and use a piece of tape (or something) to indicate what direction you are going to run them. This will prevent any confussion in the future if you need to reinstall them. Give us a report on your findings here when you receive them. Best regards...
Thanks! Because the terminals on my amp do not accept bananas, my set will have spades for the amp end, and bananas on the speaker end, so they can only run one way.
I sure hope I enjoy them too. My current speaker cables don't really sound bad, actually, so the GEs will need to be significantly better to be able to justify the money. It's just that I'm getting the bug for new speakers, but I first want to be sure to have the best speaker cables I can reasonably afford in place before beginning to make speaker comparisons.
I have at least 80 hours on my HC power cable and don't think I've noticed any differences between it and my Groneberg Quattro Reference. I'll let the cable settle for another week and swap them out. One of my friends with a lot of audio experience said that he liked the Groneberg better because the Cerious lacked soundstage depth. However, that was when the cable was really new.
@limniscate, Please forgive my ignorance, but is the HC power cable you refer to the Krell Vector HC power cord? When I Google it I come up with several possibilities? I've never heard the Groneberg Quattro Reference power cord but I do know that the CT Extreme power cords improve with break in time.
My friend purchased this cables, he was very impress, he use very expensive cables, for now only one ic of his previous cables is connected, maybe in a week I can listen , will see, how good this CT , Iam very familiar with his system....they are not yet completely burn in..
Sorry, but I have not heard of therefore I have not tried the Groneberg cable you have mentioned. Could you share some information on the cables construction?
I suppose everything is system dependent. Best I can comment is the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables seem to work well with most equipment.
I elevated my GE SC and PCs (blue and red) for amp and Pre from floor based on Lak's suggestion above, and that make a substantial difference Everything else is equal. Much more bloom and
bigger soundstage which I don't know why. You should try it to believe.
Elevating cables off the floor is one tweak I have yet to do. Being that the GE cables are fairly large and heavy, any suggestions for a particular material to use? My original thought is to use wood pucks/blocks. Is there a preference for height or just getting them off the floor the main thing?
Also adhered this constrained layer vibration absortion material to the bottoms of the wood wedges for additional vibration damping (not visible when the lifts are in place):
I cannot say whether I lost anything by using wood vs CF material (like Shunyata) for the bases, but I think that the rubber band suspension and damping material account for the majority of the improvement I hear, which is quite significant.
The tension on the rubber bands can be adjusted to match the weight of the cables.
A great sonic improvement for around $15 for each lift.
If nothing else, cutting a 4X4 untreated fencing post diagonally with a table saw and then a deep "V" in the top should work fine. Paint or stain to preference. The rubber bands and damping are key.
Getting the cables off the floor reduces the static that's down there, and eventually the static (etc) affects all types of cabling. I'm not capable of a better explanation, however there are others on this site that can give an in depth explanation.
From the Shunyata Research website: "The Shunyata Research DF-SS (Dark Field Suspension System) takes the patented technology Shunyata Designer Caelin Gabriel applied in the original DFE and DFE v2, to an elite performance level by adding two important design innovations. In addition to the patented energy-field neutralization material used in the original DFE, the DF-SS incorporates two forms of vibration isolation that quiets energy transfer between the floor and any cable product. The most significant advance applied to the DF-SS is the wide band cable suspension bridge, designed to support any cable, power or signal, while dissipating vibrational energy through the purposefully tensioned polymer band. The second innovation is the energy-absorbing granular compound that fills the base of the DF-SS. This compound formulation absorbs floor borne energy that would otherwise couple to the cable, causing signal degradation. These combined technologies define the DF-SS as the most technically advanced cable suspension system on the market. To prove the DF-SS efficacy, Shunyata will be publishing Accelerometer test results with the DF-SS, indicating the level of isolation they provide from floor borne vibration, common to all sound system environments. In a nutshell The difference in performance the DarkField Suspension System renders is dramatic and easy to appreciate when applied to literally any high-performance audio or video system. When applied as a system, the DF-SS renders a dramatic reduction in perceived noise and time smear, yielding improved clarity, depth and spatial information within any audio/video system
- Static-Neutralizing Polymer - Vibration Absorbing Compound (internally) - Polymer Cable Suspension Bridge - Vibration Absorbing Feet for hard surfaces - Patented design - Wide Foundation (won’t tip or fall) - Unequaled Shunyata Build Quality"
"The most significant advance applied to the DF-SS is the wide band cable suspension bridge, designed to support any cable, power or signal, while dissipating vibrational energy through the purposefully tensioned polymer band. The second innovation is the energy-absorbing granular compound that fills the base of the DF-SS. This compound formulation absorbs floor borne energy that would otherwise couple to the cable, causing signal degradation."
Hi lak,
That's why I say that the rubber bands and damping material are key. I made and installed the wooden cable lifts many years ago, but the recent addition of the rubber bands and damping material made all the difference.
I got a friend who's a carpenter with the wood and tools so I'm going to try and cut some blocks in the next few weeks to mimic the df-ss. Got the damping material from Amazon on order. I used it in my truck door's so I know it's good stuff.
I'm currently burning in a GE blue pc I got this week so would like to let it settle and know it's sonic signature before doing anything else. So far it's really good.
geez, has it really been 30 years since i built those Enid Lumley cable tunnels, using three 2x4s to make the tunnels, then suspending the cables inside the tunnels using eye hooks and thread?
There is not much info on the cables construction. But, if it sounds good to you that's all that matters. The Cerious cables consist of a silver backbone with carbon fiber, ceramic, and Graphene.
On the subject of cable lifting. I am using 4 meter dual runs (bi-wiring) of the Graphene speaker cables. First, I ran them together (4 runs) and then I cable tied them neatly together. Then I have them placed on porcelain lifters that I have had for years.
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