Carver Amazing Line Source Speakers

Ozzy,
Your speakers are probably sitting at the nearest R&L place. They are waiting for other things to be delivered near you. I had this happen many years ago. I ordered two Larger VMPS subs and they sat there 15 miles from my home. The carrier told me they didn't know when they would get them to me. I asked if I could pick them up and they were very happy to have that happen. A friend and I got them in a truck the next day. Now I'm not saying you should go get them, but find out where they are. Chances are they are close.

dracule1,

I will be using the new Carver Raven 350 amps. My room is 17x25 with nearly 8 foot high ceilings.  I have right now ASC tubes traps in the corners and ASC panels on the walls. I'm also using the Synergistic Research HFT's.
Any special advise about speaker placement would be appreciated.


ozzy

Ozzy I've been living with the ALS for 9 months now.  It's better than my $40k Raidho speakers.  However, speaker placement and room acoustics in addition to amplification plays a critical role in how they sound.  Most past shows demonstrating these speakers were got mixed reviews but the last AXPONA show they sounded decent.  Imho, I've haven't heard a better overall speaker regardless of price. 

Well no delivery today and R&L carriers has no clue when it will be delivered. They keep saying maybe tomorrow. I hope it's not lost or damaged. 
I know in most cases we do not have control of the shipping carrier but if you can avoid R&L please do. Terrible customer service.

ozzy

+1 Ozzy.  

Tomorrow, I'll be sitting in a lawn chair waiting for the truck.

ozzy

@ozzy …………………………

That has happened to me so many times.  It's disappointing, but makes you appreciate them more when they do arrive.

Well the delivery date changed and now I hope to get them tomorrow.

ozzy

Just in time for the weekend.  You are going to love them! 

stereo5,

Well the tracking so far looks to be this Friday.

ozzy

And now the anticipation starts.  Do you know when they will arrive?

Everybody my Carver speakers have been shipped!
Yayyyyyy!
I feel like a kid now waiting for them.

ozzy

oh boy, now I am really interested.

ozzy

Please make sure someone is there to tke a picture of your face when you first hear them

I would so love to take that picture

analogluvr,

Thanks. I think so too. Bob Carver to me is a creative genius who thinks and designs outside the norm. I really like that.

erik_squires,

Yes, DIY speakers have many possibilities. (You can see my finished version in my systems page). The only thing that I was unsure of was my ability to make quality looking cabinets. But I found at Parts Express some fantastic black gloss cabinets about the right size that I needed. However, I don’t think they offer them anymore.

I actually thought of trying to make a line source speaker too, but Bob Carver’s long traveled experience made me go the easy route. (Although much more expensive).

ozzy

@ozzy

Interesting DIY project!

I've done very similar, but using Mundorf AMT's and Clarity caps which I prefer over the top of the line Mundorfs.
I can honestly say that after going to two shows here in the Northern California area there's not a pair of speakers I would trade them for, regardless of cost.

Part of it is livability, being an apartment dweller I have no place for monster speakers, but most of it is simply sound quality and pride of ownership. They sound exactly like I want them to.

Also, the ScanSpeak mid-woofers are among the best sounding drivers I have ever heard. Wilson used to think so too. :)

I don't have a system page, but I do have the design of the speakers up on my blog:
https://speakermakersjourney.blogspot.com/

The Mundorf AMT's are flat to past 20 kHz, have almost no energy storage/resonance, and amazing dynamic range and power handling without compression.

@ozzy you are going to love your new system!!  Carver is a great designer!

tweak1,

Thanks.
Some of the speakers I have owned are Von Schweikert, Eggleston Andra 2's and Legacy Focus. My present DIY versions are better than them all.

I considered many other types but I too like the small footprint of the Carvers.
And, since I already own the Carver Raven 350's I am assuming they should play well together.

I hope they are shipped Monday...

ozzy

Having owned Accoustat 2 + 2s and Magnepan 3.5Rs  (both of which I consider room dividers)  and.having been involved with Nearfield Acoustics Pipedreams (I avd their $10K introductory speaker), as well as the early prototypes of Scaena Loudspeakers,, I really appreciate slim designs, which physically don't draw attention to themselves, while throwing concert size sound stages

I expect you will be very happy.  

koestner,

Well when you visit Michigan look me up.

contuzzi,

I think so too.

ozzy

Those Fathoms will trounce anything they could possibly replace them with.  Just stick with them.

Ozzy,
Shucks, I live in Florida. If we was a lot closer, I would come over at all hours of the day and night to listen to your system.

John

I live in Michigan.

ozzy

Really, your subs are great! You are set. All that with the DEQX system blending it together will be fantastic. Ozzy, what state are you in?

koestner,

Carver say’s the Rosa Sub is no longer available. And it could be months before they decide on a replacement. Since I already own 2- JL Audio F-113 subs I can use those before they get the sub sorted out and with my DEQX preamp I can blend them with the mains quite nicely.
Boy am I trusting...

ozzy

Ozzy,
While we don't know each other, for a long time we have been interested in similar, if not the same hi-fi gear. I have heard the Carver speakers and if you like a large presentation, you're gonna love these. Did you get the subwoofer with them as well?
John

stereo5,
Thanks , I hope so too.

koestner,
No, I sorta got a demo pair that someone cancelled on. So I jumped at the chance. Normally they take a while to get
So, blind faith is all I got.

ozzy

Ozzy,
Did you take them up on the invite?Don't tell me you didn't qualify as a possible purchaser :-)
John

Good luck with them, I hope they are exactly what you are looking for.

stereo5,

Well they probably won't be shipped until next week. So maybe a couple of weeks before I get them.

ozzy

@ozzy...…………………………………………

How long before you get them?

Yeah I am a little bedazzled too. The web site says 89" tall but I think that is without the base. It looks like there has been several iterations of base design.
I think (I hope) that they will fit within my dimensions.

Oh but his amps are so good. So I hope there is system synergy in the speakers.

 I personally think the man is a innovative genius and I really admire that. However, todays Carver Corporation is down to a few people. Each unit is built one at a time per order.

ozzy

I would customarily think it very unusual, inexplicable and confounding that a manufacturer would not know something as simple and straightforward as the dimensions of his products but in the case of Bob Carver the founder of "Flame Linear" really nothing would too much surprise me he is a showman first and foremost and an expert one at that!

lpretiring,

Well, I went ahead an ordered them.

1. My plan is.. to assemble them in a room that has 96+" in height. Then carry them into my audioroon horizontally.

In the center of my audioroom the ceiling is actually 92 1/2" tall. (Although the final placement will be in an area that is 91 1/2"+ tall. And I must add that it is very difficult to get an exact measurement of the height of the ceiling with a tape measure).

2. Lift them up at the 92 1/2" area and then slide them into the 91 1/2" area.

Bob Carver thinks that will work, Jordan from Carver is not sure.

So I would appreciate it if someone can measures their speakers and/or verify that my plan will work.

Thanks,
ozzy

BTW, if you plan on auditioning them, bring a tape measure.

   LP

ozzy,

If you have the height clearance to accept the speakers, getting them on their large base stands would be a challenge at best.

If you do decide you want them, maybe cutting out a couple of temporary holes in the ceiling could be a solution.

In any event, best of luck to you.

   LP

lpretiring,

Thanks that is the amount it says on their website also under the specifications.
But Jordon from Carver says that is incorrect and they are more like 91 1/2" tall. Actually the review in Absolute Sound lists them as 92" tall.
With these dimensions it will be very tight with my ceiling.

ozzy

According to the brochure I picked up at Axpona, it says height 89" (minimum ceiling height of 93" required for setup and assembly).

  LP

chililine, contuzzi,

Or anyone, can you please tell me the exact height of the Carver line source speakers from floor to the top?

I have perhaps 91 1/2" from floor to ceiling.

ozzy

Ozzy, thanks for the tip!

Parkhurst,

Its a DIY of my own design, you can see them on my systems page.
Basically they contain the Arum Cantus G-1 Ribbon tweeter and a 7" ScanSpeak Revelator in a purchased high gloss highly braced sealed enclosure.
I created an external crossover box. In it I used top of the line Mundorf SGO classic caps, Jensen inductors and Path Audio resistors. The speakers are wired internally with Cerious Technologies wire.
I am also bi-amping at 80hz to (2) JL Audio F-113 subs.
They sound really good.


ozzy

Ozzy,

Please tell us what your powering with those 350's.  

Not at this time, too many thing's going on right now.

ozzy

Ozzy, Are you considerig taking the invited trip for audition? 

Correction: I will be sitting 12 feet away and could extend that 3 feet more if necessary.

ozzy

contuzzi, aalinik,  arsh,

Thank you all for the comments. 
I would be sitting about 9 feet away, however, I could go back 3 feet more if necessary.

By the way, I did find a gent on eBay that reconditions the older Carver speakers.

ozzy

These really did sound great at AXPONA. I enjoyed the listening session there. My only concern would be long term service. I have a pair of the old Carver Amazing Loudspeakers (which I really love) in my second system, and there is no factory/Carver-authorized service available for them any more. At least as of the last time I corresponded with Bob Carver, about a year ago.

I didn’t have any issue with height at all.

chililine, nooshinjohn,  bondmanp,

Thank you for your comments. I did see one negative thread on another Forum saying that the Carvers image was at/near the ceiling. That's hard to believe, can anyone comment as to image height?

ozzy