Jburidan
I have to say thats a pretty ambitious experiment, so you will need 16 total Clarity MR's at 25 uF? Wow, thats gonna run in the 3000.00 U.S. range, and if you have not seen the size of these your in for one large cabinet to house them! Probably something close to the size of a 18" tall bookshelf speaker size just to fit that many clarity MR's at 25 uF x 8 per speaker and I don't know if you could even jam in the rest of your needed crossover components without a lot more space then that.
I accidentally received some Clarity MR in the 10 uf size once and they were about the size of a small jar of jelly , so I can't imagine how much larger the 25 uF might be. Just as a warning. You might want to see what Duelund offers, maybe you could get 2, 100 uF caps to parallel for the same price, one pair each speaker and save some space, might cost a little more though. |
3000 dollar is pretty ambitious indeed!
In front of the Apogee Scintilla's midrange is a 240 uF cap. Apogee already used multi parallel caps in the mid 80's as they constructed this cap out of 24 x 10 uF polypropylene Sprague caps. The Spragues are nothing special, still the Scintilla's midrange (a 1,5 m tall 2 inch wide pure aluminium foil) is considered by many professional reviewers as one of the best they've ever heard. No doubt the good sound quality is not the result of the Sprague caps, but of the Scintilla's design (ultra-light ribbon, a special magnet array which houses both midrange and tweeters etc.). However, I would not be surprised when it turns out that the relatively cheap Spragues in front of the midribbon don't seem to affect the sound in a disappointing way as the cap is a large multi parallel cap. Maybe when Apogee's had used larger value Spragues (when available), the midrange might have lost some of its quality.
I btw will replace the Spragues by 21 x 10 uF Gold Obbligato's (size: 30x75 mm), the remaining 30 uF will be smaller value Gold Obbligato's.
In my situation size doesn't matter as I've decided to build an external xover which has several advantages (in my situation) as well.
The 10 uF Obbligato's retailprice is 25 dollar and when you order something like 50 pieces, diyhifisupply in Hong Kong will offer a discount of 50 percent. In my case all caps costed me around 700 dollar.
Of course I would have loved to have the Spragues replaced by pure copperfoil PIO caps but for the extra price so many other upgrades in my system could be made. My hope however is that one day the Chinese (Obbligato?) will decide to manufacture pure metal foil PIO's as well... |
Undertow:
I got a good price courtesy of David Garretson on a custom set of 16 x 25uF ClarityCap MR caps that are being made now at the factory. I priced-out the Duelund VSF and CAST versions, and found them to be staggeringly more expensive than the MRs. Also, Tannoy chose MRs for its new flagship Kingdom Royal loudspeakers, so I see the experiment as a good bet to sound good. The crossovers will be external in large, double-decker, ebonized, oak bread boxes insie which there will be plenty of room for all the large caps and coils. And I'm using MRs throughout and, yes, they are large. |
Since my CD player bit the dust. Laser not working.
I have wanted high res digital for some time. I am looking at an Oppo and thinking of having it done by Modwright. I have already contacted Dan to see if a Duelund cap will fit.
Any comments on mod'ed digital players? or Oppo in general? |
I have used oppo nearly 10 years. Of course not the same one, I have had about 3 players up to the current one as they progressed into blu ray. Great player, great sound, great value. I use with an external DAC, was not all that enthused about modded units, great transport, with a good DAC and I then modded the DAC and was set.
Reason because this DAC can handle any source, not just a spinning disc and it can be modded far further than a player so I keep it separate and flexible as digital has dropped off a cliff in the past 5 years and you can do just as well for 500 now as 5000 10 years ago when I replaced my Wadia with such units. |
Have tried the Jensen Copper Alu Case in a similar RIAA as I have and even after 75 hours the result was the same.
Dull Dull and more Dull. This is a quality PIO and i am so disappointed. I know my ref is V-Cap CuFT but i have expected more from this cap. Properly i am not a PIO person , I don't know but this is not my cap. |
Michael
I am still clocking on the hours on the VCap Cuft. They are a serious capacitor for sure and getting better all the time. I have not had a chance to install the rest of the Silver wire for direct comparison but already know the Cuft are full of details, details, details. |
Ok, I hope you folks can tell me if what I am going through is normal with these new Duelund Alexander caps. I purchased a new set of 3.3 uf Alexanders for use as coupling caps in my tube preamp. After about 24 hours they sounded darn good to me. They got better up until 120 hours or so, but now the sound has gone south - BIGTIME!
The bass has left my music and the highs are a little hard and bright after the 120 hour mark. So much so that both my wife and I turned off the stereo as we were so disappointed with the sound.
I guess I did not expect the sound to go south after 120 hours, but rather continue to improve. Has anyone else experienced the same thing with this cap? I hope it gets better as they cost me $400 and right now the Ampohm PIO tin foils are better sounding.
Is there hope..... |
Hi VolleyGuy a good friend of mine , who have the exact same speakers like yours , the V-cap Cuft has burned for about 400+ hours in his pre-amp and the total result is just amazing.
We have almost the same amps and after the long time on the V-cap i now know what kind of magic you are writing about when speaking about the La Scala. It's just amazing though he only have replaced the tweater caps with Clarity MR instead of the very very pricey Duelund.
He always have some issues now he's just a very happy person. |
Micheal
I agree on the Klipsch Lascala or Khorns can be just amazing but also agree with someone who would say they were awful, as they can be with wrong upstream components.
A friend of mine who came over to hear them after we were out listening to new (up to) $100k systems was shocked! I asked what he thought of the stereo and he just had a puzzled look of it does not even sound like a stereo?
I was getting e-mails from him at 4am for days after as he was looking for the same stuff. He drove 9 hours each way to the U.S. To buy the speakers and another 6 hours in another direction to buy the amp which I told him was nothing special.
He has had done a whole room around them for Audio and Video, but is having a tough time with the concept of more money in parts for a crossover than the speakers cost and that certain drivers are better.
That is what I have been doing is getting ready to finish the whole basement but for Audio first not concerned about video. |
Grannyring
I have no experience with Duelund Alexander but can say the VSF and CAST have never gone south. The started good and got only better.
That being said I am not sure of the relationship of the two as VSF and CAST are hand made and Alexander machine? |
I've the 'Alex's in my 'mig amps' for a couple of weeks now. Probably about
50hrs total. These r the best 'oil caps' I've heard, Mundorf SGO being the others, in my amps. Up to about 20hrs. a 'wee bit' of stridency on some leading edge female vocals that has now disappeared. Compared to the Aeons, they sound is much more visceral & tonally correct. They have more body & 'flesh on
bone', & the family resemblance w/the more expensive Duelands is apparent. They've opened up & become more spatially distinct & both lows & highs seem
clear, tight, & extended. The presentation is more, 'out of the box', and the Daedalus disappear more as the source of the music, the soundstage is also
deeper. Perhaps this contributes to the 'greater body' sensation. Detail is improved across the frequency spectrum & dynamics seem very good, w/tracks
such as Warren Haynes, River's Gonna Rise, pounding out its drum intro. In the 'Migs' they seem organic, natural, earthy & rooted. A bit 'softer' in presentation, but more 'lit from within', at least that's how the 'oils' seem in the 'Migs'.
All said, i'm still at a bit of an impasse looking for degrees of
'more optimization'. I'm wondering if using the Clarity MRs in my pre & 'Alex's
in the amps is the optimal use of such. I don't have experience in 'what should
be where' placement. Am I getting the best of both or half/assed of each?
Any suggestions/experiences? If the MRs aren't as 'transparent' in the pre, yet
bring nice air & extensions high & low is that bringing anything that the more
well toned 'Alex's would in the pre? The Clarity seem a terrific cap for the money, but I want to 'eek out' as much performance via the pre as I can & anything lost in the pre, can't be reclaimed by the amps. Is there any 'consensus' as too using the MRs in say speakers, & the more 'exotics' in electronics, as to being optimal? Am I correct in 'assuming' that going to
'exotic' caps in the pre will pay dividends heard downstream. Matching up
Alex's, or mixing the more upscale Duelands or even the copper Vcaps? |
My Duelund Alex caps sound poor after 120 hours and sounded glorious after 30 hours.
My bass. Is now all but gone? I am really fustrated and will let them burn in another 100 or more hours. |
Fact is I am so upset - "Having such a high level of fustration that I completely forgot to pronounce/spell the first "R" in the word "frustration" :-) |
Hi Regismc , how big uF is the decoupling caps in your pre-amp ?? In mine where i'm using V-Cap CuFT 400+ hour they are only 0.1 uF , which gives me a quite fair price..
I still don't have the V-Caps in my mono 6c33 , but i'm very happy with my Clarity MR in my Tannoy HPD-385a.
I can not live without the speed , details from the V-caps , and i have heard the Jensen Copper not Duelund. |
Sorry to 'hear' that the 'Alex's have gone mia in your rig. I suppose I'll find
out in my own soon. There doesn't seem to be much out there in cyber world
as to what to expect as they r pretty new. I had some 3.3s in the Dodd battery
pre & replaced the base teflons w/Mundorfs SGO. That was a pretty big cap for a pre, what type of tube pre r u running? Perhaps the larger cap will take more
time to fully break in.
My current pre uses .22s, the same as my amps. The MR's r very good & there
is nothing wrong in the sound or presentation but, there's no fool like an audio
fool, so the quest continues, trying to 'take it up a notch'. I suppose w/the
current info. I should sit on the config for a month or so & see how things
'evolve'. I'm hoping the Alex's 'open up' even more, but as of now they sound
very good.
Michaelvv, it sounds as if you & I r on a 'bit of the same path' w/the 6C33C bottles and such. What caps r in these currently? Your suggestion as to the
CuVcaps is tempting as they seem to provide tone & detail in abundance which
would be a nice step up perhaps, in my own pre. I suppose that since both
they & the Alex's have copper foil it comes down to how would teflon & oil mix?
;-) Modern alchemy as such.... |
Well I suggest to all here, don't just rely on one pair of supercaps! Fact is there are many other necessary upgrades to get full potential out of a Duelund or Clarity MR. If you have not pulled out all the generic orange drop stock caps and other peripheries, including sometimes wire, and other Electrolytics in the power supply etc... You will only get a small percentage of sound enhancement.
I just for example went thru and removed all 80 parts in my phono amp, dumped in far higher quality film, and electro caps, along with some silver mica's etc... THEN the final touch was running a pair of Duelund caps on the main outputs with NOS tubes directly hard wired up.
I also did a friends Tube preamp, 100% tube, with 100% built in tube phono stage. The whole thing got large Jantzen superior coupling caps, with a pair of Clarity MR's on the outputs and no bypass caps. Nothing comes close, its amazing, and it had all Mundorfs with Cardas gold caps before that and sounded generic in comparison! There are quite a few high grade resistors, like Bradley's or similar, with solid silver wire.
So lesson is, there is no quick fix without doing it all right. Op amps, or tubes design, sometimes many resistors, caps, power supply mod's, you name it, it all adds up. So as a warning one pair of exotic output caps hooked up to a Chinese special circuit board with 50 other small caps on it that in total cost about 1.75 U.S. will not necessarily net you the best results.
As for the Alexander problem above, that is strange, but as I explained earlier in this thread I now tend to stay far away from any oil based caps inside electronic gear, save those for speakers. |
Regismc , currently i have the mundorf silver/oil in my 6c33. My 6c33 will
be upgraded within 2-3 weeks , so it then can use a 0.022 uF V-cap CuFt which has been burned in for 400+ in my crossover :-)
I'm not in that way a V-cap Cuft fanboy , but they just works for us here in Denmark and we have used them in 5 different setup , mainly SSRP coupled Pre-Amps and mono 6c33 and Kt88/6550 tube amps.
The change in the pre-amps was just amazing. My tube amp is develop and designed in Denmark and the guy who is building them is one of my good friend living 10 km from where i live.
link to his website , but only in danish :-) http://www.audio-classic.dk/ |
Undertow,
These are made for electronics? 900V rating and said by Duelund to be perfect as coupling caps? Anyway...
Have some bass back, but the highs are still a little thin and bright.
The Ampohm PIO's sound great, in fact much better then the Tefton caps I have tried as an fyi. That is why I thought I would go for the best PIO - Alexander. |
Grannyring,
Oh don't get me wrong I agree the Alexanders are for your application. What I am saying is I am just not generally a big fan at all of Oil based caps in components period. I have had Jensen oils, Mundorf oils etc
In several designs in the past, never liked them, but in speakers they can shine.
I find they are soft in bass in general. And they have had some reliability questions as well, although I did not have one personally fail. So I am not sure what is happening in your specific situation so I am sorry if you thought it was directed toward your choice of the Alexander, it is very strange what your hearing for sure. |
Undertow,
Understand your point. I guess I am wondering why the bass that was so great after 24 hours has left the room after 124 hours? If the bass does not come back I will agree with you that even this Alexander PIO has weak bass. |
What caps should one use in a Cary SLP-05 preamp? |
Grannyring
I have had that same issue with a couple of other mods that I installed in my system. The most drastic one was the installation of a new clock in my transport. In first review it was like I had four subs in the room instead of just two. The bass was never over blown just more powerful controlled and deep. Maybe like you describe that effect wore off after a few days. Whatever it was I wish I could capture it and put it in a bottle so I could pour it out at a later date. Probably all apart of break in, that perpetual rotation of good and evil that most times takes along time to distill. Tom |
Jburidan regards your cary SLP-05 preamp , have you checked this link http://www.asi-tek.com/cary10.html.
As i have understood , the price from the upgrade is mainly from the coupling caps. I would use the Clarity MR instead of the Mundorf Silver/Gold ASI has suggested. I think V-Cap would be way way to expensive :-) |
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Ok, the Alexanders have about another 80 hours on them for a total of about 200 hours. The high are getting much better and the bass is much better. Very strange burn in road these are traveling, but they are starting to sound very good indeed.
I will update the group as they settle in.
Frederick of Duelund felt they just needed more time to settle in and we will see.... |
My good friend (who is a diy audio expert) installed a pair of .22 Alexanders as coupling caps in my single ended 845 amp the other day.
I wasn't expecting much right out of the box, but boy was I surprised. They were very full bodied with excellent detail retrieval. I realize it is still early on in the breakin process....but I think these caps have excellent potential. They replaced some VTV silver foil oils. |
I use CAST PIO in the parafeed-type outputs of my Supratek preamp and they are NOT bass shy in the least. They sound full, rich, thunderous in the bass. |
My old CD player had went on the fritz laser gone so I was out listening to systems and new digital products.
I want to keep in touch with strength's and weaknesses of my own system.
Heard
Linn Majik LP12 with McIntosh tube gear Sonus Faber Speakers. ($30k system)
Heard Linn Akurate DS and Bryston gear PMC speakers. (about $50k system)
Heard 100k++ system with Silver Cables every piece on it's own line conditioner Dynaudio Speakers forget the tube Mono blocks. Crazy expensive.
Then went to where I bought my Linn Karik/Numerik not wanting to spend a ton on digital. Private guy had just a well set up system not crazy expensive. Just B&W speakers, Bryston SS amps tube pre amp Cardas cables and a sub and it sounded quite good.
At the store B&W is now showing the crossover outside the speaker. Nothing to be proud of! In my mind cheap parts for sure. WIMA caps and cheap wire wound air core inductors with no resonance dampening. Sound's Ok for cheap parts which of course is the name of the game for making money!
I am now listening to speakers to guess which caps they use? My guess is a Sonicap or Solen level poly cap in the Dynaudio's? All I could think is they could be much better. All I could think was CRAZY! I would have upgraded the caps wayyyyyy before a $3k line conditioner for EACH component and mega $ power cord! (running through a $3 tweeter cap!)
Whenever you listen to other system one can hear your own's weaknesses. None of them sound smoother even the 100k+ system but it does go down deeper.
What would be interesting is a $100k+++ system with a smoking crossover to take out the courseness. |
The Duelund Alex caps are sounding much better. I found the issue and this is one to learn from. My SS amp has a very low input impedance while my tube preamp has a relatively high output impedance. Well, I tied another SS amp with 100k input impedance and oh my the preamp and system now sing like never before with these Duelund caps. I thought something was going on that caused bass roll-off and harsh highs and it was this impedance mismatch for sure.
Very interesting lesson. The Alexander caps are very special indeed. |
Grannyring,
Excellent, glad to hear it. |
I should also share that my system has never sounded this good. The Alexander caps are wonderful. They are extended, open, airy and so transparent. Bass is tight and so fast and powerful. I am thrilled with these and glad I decided to go for them!
Output coupling caps can really make a difference and these Duelund Alexander caps are the real deal folks.
Impedance matching is critical when pairing an amp and preamp. I have read this a hundred times and now have first hand knowledge of it. You need your amp's input impedance to be at least 10x greater then the preamp's output impedance. I had a 2-3x factor before changing my amp. The new amp gave me a 10-12x factor and that put everything in place perfectly.
I learned a great deal over the past month and hope others can learn from my findings. |
Grannyring,
What tube preamp is this and what is the output impedance?
This just kills bass if you use a 1500 ohm preamp output with a 10k amp input for sure as an example, I have first hand experience. My first project used a tube preamp like this and I put in Mundorfs back in 2005 later to find out the Solid state amps I had were REALLY low input impedance and were not driven full range due to the combination. Very dead bass, and does not go to the deepest 20 hz its rated at for sure.
I am sure most will say that at "Least" a 10 times difference is necessary. I will say 15 to 20 times is even better.
Now with SS amps I try to keep it 20,000 ohm plus input even more is better like 33,000, 47,000, 100k. Then you have run of the gamut for all preamp choices regardless how high the output impedance gets.
I also switched up preamps due to this problem years ago, now I use a Preamp with as low as 300 and 600 ohm. Some others I have seen like Conrad johnson preamps have super low output impedance some have as low as 50 ohms which will basically drive anything.
But many tube preamps have really high output impedance in the 2000 ohm range, which kills the low frequency on some amp combo's and you need anywhere in the 30k to 100k range to make them work from one end of the frequency balance to the other. |
Grannyring
That is good to hear as I could not imagine Duelund putting out a poor cap. |
The output impedance of my Canary tube preamp is 1,200 ohms. The input impedance of my Art Audio Jota HC amp is 220,000 ohms. The ratio is 183 to 1. |
Jburidan, I think you have no impedance synergy issues:-) |
In traveling around to hear other systems one can hear strengths and weakness of their own.
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?cspkr&1315679530&openflup&32&4#32
In this recent forum someone had just heard a set of Klipschorns and noticed right away their strengths and weaknesses. In the area of weakness image depth. It is my belief to a large extent image depth is created by Audio. Whenever I listen to live music I close my eyes and can not tell who is in front of whom. There is also image overlap. I hear separation only in Audio but not live. The instruments will overlap and crowd each other.
I am not saying it is bad what is done in Audio with depth but is it real? On the downside Klipschorns can not by nature produce depth in image. Is it there in the room? maybe? I should say they can but the image needs to be shrunk by the pre-amp to be very small so you can have front to back depth. I would assume anyone who like Khorns loved the life sized sound.
So all comments in this thread have all been about improving image tonality and no cap has made the speakers have great depth.
Still burning in the VCap Cuft. |
I am not sure if others have done this but I have tested my ears on my wife's iPhone and should disclose I have the poorest frequency extension of hearing in the family. I think around 15khz. My wife 16khz and the kids around 18khz.
So I am the one commenting on audio with in at least by some measures the poorest hearing in the house, but am the only one who cares! |
Volleyguy,
We don't listen just thru our ears. We should include other mass forms of our body. Skin, muscle, fat {darn it] bone and other body hair all become receptors for musical enjoyment. I think a seasoned experienced listener who may have lost some hearing sensitivity can make up for it and more by recognizing and using all textural areas of their body. Tom |
Tom
For sure and by no means did I not mean some of these Audio terms such as sound stage are not truly enjoyable, but are they real or created? (for our enjoyment)
I have heard that theory before on body hair being a receptor for high frequency and known as a possible reason many do not find CD as enjoyable as vinyl or high res digital that can go beyond the ear sensitivity range that CD was designed for. |
My wife is a pre-school teacher and was at a course today and part of it was about getting plastic furniture out of the room and going to wood.
The reason was static electricity. Seemed like right out of Steen's playbook. |
Hi Volleyguy. How is life with your v-cap cuFT. My Pre-Amp and 6C33 have both over 400+ hours and it's like magic.
I never thought my Tannoys HPD-385A could play that deep bass. Of Course they are in 303 Liter of boxes measured inside , but anyway holy Christ.
The midrange and highs is so smooth and special female voices are fantastic.
I'm not thinking that much more on HI-FI , but i'm just happy with what i have done. I owe you a great deal of thanks , this thread is the one which really changed my view upon HIFI.
A funny thing.. My HIFI Tube builder had make a new very very delicate pre-amp.. He called me and said that it would perform better than my older SSRP coupled amp. So he brought it to my home and BANG it could not compete with my V-CAPPED amp. He have used the mundoft silver-gold-oil.
He just said to me.. You are right it need better caps.
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michaelvv,
when I replaced the mundorf silver/gold in my omega duos a few years back with teflon v-caps it was an ear opener. the v-caps are in an entirely different league than the mundorfs. it's like going from a 911 to a F1 car! |
Micheal
Still doing the burn in. I have been very busy lately getting ready to finish the basement for being a sound room. So spending more time on should I insulate for sound deadening reasons etc than the caps. I knew I was getting into a long break in with the VCaps so have just tried to stay relaxed.
In going out to hear all the Hi-Fi systems I could the one that struck me the most was the one I bought his CD player and DAC from. He works for a high end Audio store in Toronto I would guess for maybe 20 years. He did a fabulous job integrating his sub into the system. I was VERY impressed. His system was better than mine in one area his bass was integrated into the room almost. I listened to his quite modest system after hearing $100k+++ systems the same day.
How many guys are using subs? Most of the time I hear this they sound disconnected from the system. His was awesome!
Right now mine excels at tone compared to anything I have heard but can for sure be beat in bass. I need a sub. |
I use a sub placed as close to the outside of each main as possible.. mounted on Sistrum SP101's coupling platforms "I'm a dealer" I have made mechanical measurements in hopes of aligning the centers of the respective sub woofer and the mid woofer of each cabinet.Those who come over to listen say they cannot hear the subs operate and they blend in a seamless fashion. The stereo subs make for a larger stage and better highs. Ground up presentation. Tom |
Tom
Any recommendations for subs with Klipschorn's or Lascala's? |
Have a friend with modded K-Horns and a Lascala center he uses with a single modded Velodyne servo 15 or 18. All of these speakers are on platforms as described previous. Coupling all these speakers made for a huge improvement in speed and clarity all across the band. They have such large passive radiators [the cabinets them selves ] that everything was cleaner and we gained in spl as well. He uses all modded Cary gear of some type. .The Velodyne needs to be sealed internally with Cascade V-Bloc. This material can be painted on internal surfaces to seal the pores of the wood so there is much less compression/expansion loss. Improves the midrange of the sub-woofer as well [upward harmonics produced by the cabinet] This acoustic paint should be applied with two or three coats. I used the same coating on the interiors of my previous Dunlavy SC4's and Paradigm servo 15's. I now use James EMB1200's also sealed with this paint. This paint greatly improves the sound of any mdf based cabinets. Also use it to paint the baskets of speaker drivers. Drys like concrete so has no ill sounding affects as do soft materials. Tom |
I have really been taking my time with this one and still not done. VCap Cuft vs. Jensen Copper paper tube.
One would think the better the cap they would sound alike, they do not.
At the start of this thread a long time ago I heard my speakers (all foil caps) that I have had for almost 30 years at the time with a vintage tube amp with all foil caps. My eyes were as big as pie plates! It was like Colour TV vs. Black and White. It was the first time I had ever heard Colour sound. I knew right away there was something to this.
Then came the Duelund's essentially the same thing but with lower noise floor and less resonance. Sometimes sounding wayyyy better than the vintage and sometimes just a little.
A couple of nights ago I was at a friends house with a dedicated sound room with a set of Khorns. (huge sound) He had them hooked to a SS Pioneer Elite surround sound amp and his Khorns have poly caps. It was the same thing Black and White. He was using the Oppo SE for digital. Still high res Black and White. The amp was far too noisy for Audio but still the biggest thing was Black and White.
Back to the VCaps Cuft these for sure are impressive. If one is looking at lowest noise floor the only competition might be Duelund CAST? I have not heard the CAST in electronics and cost is the reason.
So, so far if one has "all foil" caps in the whole chain I really like it. If you are at the Jensen level you are giving up bass tightness and have a higher noise floor vs. the vCap Cuft but are getting a more natural tone. If your system can not utilize the Jensen advantage then go VCap Cuft.
I think it comes down to what one values or can get.
I said this a long time ago now even one non foil cap in the chain changes the sound.
I know I take flack over this but Audio Notes mega buck systems are Silver and foil caps everywhere.
Still burning in but unless there is change I will put the Jensen back in or move up to Duelund at some point. |
Tom
Any advice on dealing with odd shaped room?
The room is L shaped 25' by 11' both long walls around that length and both short walls that length. (ceiling a little less than 8th)
It is in the basement and I could use any kind of insulation, wiring anything needed right now as construction starts in a month or so.
I will check into the sub. I have been reading a book about getting the most out of the room. I will be going 2 channel and music clearly #1 priority and no surround system even in the works, so sub is only music focused. I feel odd even saying sub and music but I believe it can work now! |
I would need a drawing and or photos. If it is L shaped can you have one larger room walled off from the smaller area? Also need description of ceiling and hvac and plumbing that may interfere. Need to know the location of structural posts and beams. Window and door location? Whats above this area? Tom |
