Can someone explain to me why : Accupahse Equipment is that expensive ?

@uberwaltz...……………………

I agree with going used.  I replaced almost all of my 2 systems with McIntosh which I bought used.  I could never have afforded them brand new.  I dropped over 18K on McIntosh and had I bought them new it would have been over 40K.  To tell you the truth, they do all look new as Audio Classics does a great job with them.

I think you really have to buy used and let someone else take the hit on depreciation.
Considering an e-360 myself right now but used.
I don’t think you would go far wrong on used as the type of owner who buys one is not likely to abuse it in any way.
Just my thoughts.....

The Accuphase E-202 a classic beauty!

In the early80's or perhaps even late 70's, the audio store I worked in was one of the first Accuphase dealers.  At the time, they were manufactured by Kensonic Labs which was an offshoot of Kenwood Electronics (Trio Electronics in other country's).  They were quite industrial looking back then and I kick myself for not purchasing them at 50% off of retail.  I remember selling the E202 Integrated, a 150wpc power amp, a big preamp and a Tuner.

......thank you again and the post is not about what amp you think I should have as I can make that decision. Personally, Bryston makes nice gear and McIntosh has nice meters and a very nice personally blue front.....but those amps are not what I am looking for and the post is about how Acuupahse is marketed here and even though its really nice equipment. There are a lot of hands in the pot in the distribution line that makes the product's price inflated and expensive here in the US. However, there is one point that keeps coming through is that all those who do own Accupahse, really like Accuphase and that it makes nice music. That to me is what it is all about ….two each their own and enjoy the music. I will look more into purchasing an amp of theirs.           

It’s the perfect storm....
1) Accuphase gear is of exceptional quality.
2) Accuphase components are exquisitely beautiful.
3) While the Accuphase catalog is deep, they are rare.
4) Employees of Accuphase are highly paid.
5) The usual markups throughout the supply chain.

I spent a lot less on a near mint Accuphase E-470 than what a new would have cost, but a LOT more than I could have spent on gear that would have undoubtedly sounded great in my system. But whenever I get home from work and begin to listen to music, my eyes are always drawn to the best hi-fi component that I have ever owned. If I ever have the means, I will upgrade to their top tier.

FM Acoustics and MBL are two companies that are waaayy overpriced IMO....both make great stuff, if you want to pay $$$

Accuphase is great gear...The "Made in Japan" on the back means they are priced higher than you might expect, but it’s hifi...sometimes you get quality for the money, sometimes you don’t....Are you looking for solid state amplification? I’d recommend looking over Pass Labs and Rega.

I don't get all you guys bending over backward to excuse what is clearly an exorbitant markup. There is no other excuse other than greed that I can see.

I think cars make a better analogy than watches.
Some quality gear costs more than other equally as good gear does because people just decided they will pay more. Its somewhat rare but common enough to keep it in the conversation so prices stay up.

You mentioned looking at other quality amps.....Not looking at Canadian (Bryston) is like saying you would not look at a German auto when looking for a quality vehicle. 

Bryston has  the sound. The build quality. The support a 20 year warranty and $ retention. 

It has been said that if you want to tell time, buy a Timex.  If you want a family heirloom that your great great great grand kids will wear, buy a Rolex.

I owned many brands before accuphase, I was thinking the same way like everyone, that it is way too expensive. But since I got it I became fun of it . And I realized I lost lots of money during that time because the price was the barrier. No one equipment is built like accuphase, functionality is exceptional, sound is depending who likes what. For me sound is great too. This is my last purchase, now if I got nothing else to do , I’m playing with cables turntables things like that. Audio is addiction and I like changes , that is like looking for hole in brand new pants. 

1) Importers and retailers all adding their profit margin
2) It's extremely high quality product - very pure electronic engineering

I bough a P7100 off the brochure last year. Couldn't get to hear one. The unit weighted in at 124 pound and is twice as large as it looked in the brochure. Quality amazing. Performance amazing. Sound amazing. 

I looked at MacIntosh. Strange output transformer device circa 1960's thinking. Makes the output stage cheaper to build. 

Accuphase are in a different league. Parts made in China? Japan produce many electronic components, many never leave Japan.

Accuphase is founded in Tokyo by Mr. Nakaichi Kasuga and Mr. Jiro Kasuga on June 1, 1972. Before founding Accuphase, the two gentlemen were the founders of Trio-Kenwood in 1946. They have always felt very strongly that a manufacturer of high-quality audio products superior even to the high-quality products from abroad should exist in Japan. At that time, however, Japanese audio manufacturer produced only popular products using mass production techniques. Wanting to put that belief to the ultimate test, they left Trio -Kenwood to found Accuphase. A number of highly qualified staff members and executives also left Trio-Kenwood for Accuphase to share their vision.
https://www.dagogo.com/the-accuphase-culture/

HiFiDo in Japan often has used Accuphase at good prices.
http://www.hifido.co.jp/?M=&LNG=E&G=1&KW=accuphase

if you have the space and budget, a second A-03 run in mono would likely solve you power deficit... 

If you want good stuff go with McIntosh. I have McIntosh pieces and they have a great solid "feel" to them. Every knob, switch has that same feel. And when they are turned on that "teal green" color and the blue meters is exquisite and sets them apart from everything else on the market.

I researched this about two years ago when I was looking for an integrated amp.  At that time, I could buy two Accuphase amps from Japan for less than the retail price in the US.  And that includes the shipping.
The distributor markup is exorbitant!  All reputable manufacturers maintain distribution and repair facilities whether their goods are imported or not so that is not an excuse for these prices.  Customs and shipping are also very little relative to value.
Plenty of companies (Leben is one) manage to bring their goods to the US market at prices very close to Japan.  Last time I checked Luxman's markup was about 35% over Japanese retail.  Can't help but feel that Accuphase must be indifferent to the US and European markets to have chosen such a distributor.
Luxman is only about 25% less than Accuphase in Japan.
In the end, I bought a Luxman 507UX demo here in the US and I have been very happy with it.  Wish it looked more like an Accuphase though.
Rolex is a charity.  That is why they are able to sell their watches at such giveaway prices!

From my own experience the Accuphase Class A amps (e.g. E-650 and up) are a significant step-up from Pass or Luxman: Much more refined and detailed with a more natural and realistic presentation. They also measure perfect. Besides amps, where Accuphase outshines Luxman and Pass is for the DAC (DC37) and the phono stage (C37).

Furthermore build quality for Accuphase is not matched - there is a reason it is legendary; especially in countries like Germany that are renowned for perfectionist equipment.

Pass is very good value in North America and features a warmer and relaxed (and sometimes slightly more veiled) presentation; unfortunately oversea the price for Pass also doubles, so this is not so dissimilar to Accuphase in the US.

Luxman is very good, especially for the competitive price in North America (with the reorganized direct distribution). The new series looks even better built than the previous. Soundwise they are good but did not bowl me over when I heard them last.

Esoteric has excellent built quality, closer to Accuphase, and a step above Luxman and Pass IMO; unfortunately, I have not fallen in love with the sound of Esoteric. Also worth noting: the future of Esoteric seems to be in questions with Esoteric/Teac's parent Company (Gibson) in bankruptcy.

garebear,

",,,and why are they soo expensive is the question..."  

The more I think of it, the more I come to the conclusion that appearance has a lot to do with it for many. I have never heard one, but have a hard time believing that the sound is crappy so I think that may be out of the question. Of course, someone may prefer a little bit different sound and so on, but that goes for any brand and any person. The looks however, may play a lot for someone satisfied with the sound and willing to spend for the appearance, too. It is all in the eyes of the beholder and importance that a buyer puts on certain aspects of her/his purchase. I am speaking from my own perspective on this. I like decent sound, but also want the machine to be pleasing in other ways. Accuphase looks like something that many could enjoy having in the room, or at least not feel like they are in an earthquake-resistance-testing facility. That would be good enough for me and, I suspect, a good number of people. Add some mystique, significantly augmented by very high prices, and you have a perfect combination and justification for keeping prices high. Good sound, pleasing unusual looks, and aura of something special and expensive. In that way, being expensive somehow becomes a motor for elevating prices further and making them justified. I guess that is what successful marketing is all about. Just look at car industry. I am not sure about watches.

"...why they do not seem to have such a presence here..."

I am baffled by that, too, but it seems to be an approach of these few companies with well-established names. They sell anyway and you have to work hard to be able to get them. Order, pay a lot, wait, etc. Again, kind of like cars. Adds the hype along the way.

This is some promotional video I stumbled upon. It is in Japanese, but has snippets of the manufacturing environment interspersed. I found it interesting to see the actual place and people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtteGxz11wU

….and whipsaw you are correct. I wonder if Roxy54 nailed it....'' an overblown legend''. Seems about right.    

….thank you dldennis but you are not answering the question. I am not interested in Canadian or PS Audio amps or what you have as amps. I am looking at buying Accupahse but trying to find out, which some have answered here on why they do not seem to have such a presence here, and why are they soo expensive is the question    

+1 alucard19, total agreement on Anthem. There are several Canadian high-end audio manufacturers, I believe NAD and PSB are also based out of Canada. Don’t forget PS Audio for high-quality amps; their BHK tube hybrid monos are outstanding (although not cheap). I have a pair and love them. Made right here in Boulder CO. 

I remember the gear in NY many moons ago- a guy (who passed away) had a loft space full of it for sale. Gorgeous. It is like classic ’70s era design, with wood, champagne gold finishes, but much higher build quality than the consumer grade stuff of the era. No doubt it is well built, also doesn’t seem to be very common here in the States. I suspect some of the vintage stuff is classic.

Why not just do Pass Labs...

...and Mr Glupson you are absolutely correct. Luxman has got its distribution here in the US squared away and makes some really nice equipment. I will probably stay in the Esoteric line …..really nice stuff but can be a little analytical at times.    

...thank you all again. I currently own the following ; Esoteric A-03 ( 50 watts pure class A design ) amp along with an Esoteric C-02x pre-amp and the Esoteric K-01xs player. I love the A-03 class A amp but at times …..I could use a little more head room. I am skeptical of going back to an AB design ( no...I will not do tubes ) so looking for an amp that is sweet and has a little more bottom end ; oooomph . The speakers are Wilson Benesch's.       

Many moons ago I’ve owned both Accuphase ( Kenwoods high end brand) and Luxman gear ( many repair problems) . They were both no ball of fire compared to Threshold. You should take a look at Pass Labs if you are looking for high end solid state within  the same ballpark price!
https://overtureav.com/shop/pass-labs?_vsrefdom=oav_ppc&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoNHu_8Xu2wIVR9bACh1Ghw...

I only buy used components, but will offer a slightly different perspective.

I have owned two different vintage Accuphase tuners, and they are outstanding. I currently also own an E-303x integrated amp, and, though it was manufactured in the '80s, have absolutely no incentive to replace it. Yes, I initially spent some additional money re-capping and tweaking it, but have no doubt that it can hold its own with, or even outperform many contemporary amps costing as much or more.

I have also heard high-end technicians marvel at the build-quality of older Accuphase components.

As for specific sound, that will, as always, depend on associated equipment, listening space, personal preferences, etc.

McIntosh made in USA, Accuphase made in Japan, but all parts made in China lol

Where can one even see and hear Accuphase? They are missing from the remaining physical stores. And Internet stores, for that matter. I was interested in comparing Accuphase and Luxman and almost had to abandon both as there are only so many days in the year I can dedicate to figuring out where to find them. Try to find a place that carries both. Now, try harder to find a place that has them in stock. I concluded that Accuphase is Nessie. The rumor is that some have seen it, but nobody I know has succeeded.

One of the reasons Accuphase can charge a lot is unusual design with high quality workmanship. That workmanship part is word on the Internet and not an actual observation. That would be good enough for a small group who care about it. Of course, along with acceptable sound. McIntosh is probably the same way except it is widely available, but not everybody is enamored by its looks.

If anyone is keeping a tally, I do not own a watch.

If you are looking for a good North American amp that will last for many years with excellent build quality and soundstage then try Bryston or Anthem both made in Canada, Bryston with a 20 year warranty and Anthem with all parts made in house.

This might not do it for you,  but I've read a few threads that these Chinese knock offs are surprisingly good: 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HiFi-Integrated-Power-Amplifier-Pure-Class-A-20W-Class-AB-200W/263735848188...

Accuphase gear is also very tastefully designed. Good design does have it’s voodoo...

Have you considered CODA 15.5?

garebearI have always wanted to audition Accuphase gear. My closest dealer/retailer is in Dallas TX. I would be interested in learning the exact number of U.S.A. representation?
Happy Listening!

I’ve you’ve got an omega speedmaster mark 2 1969 and a newer sea master. 
Love em both but the vintage one is the bomb. Accuphase is awesome stuff and better than luxman imo. Luxman not exactly cheap though. The new 509x integrated is 8500.00. Btw my vintage speed master has gone up 35% because they reissued it. It’s that cool. Thanks hipsters. 

You can buy a 1965 Rolex Datejust on ebay for 2500$ and it will appreciate

Go with McIntosh, its American made and as good as the Japanese boutique brands.

…..thank you for this information and it all makes sense now and some of this through my travels has come up in the past. I think that I will continue my search and look at other amps. My concern is what Mr Whart has noted about not being able to service if it ever needed.    

I just checked. The gray market price for the big mono block amp is less than 1/2 the retail price in the US. I suspect there is some wiggle room there, but you are negotiating from a very high starting number.
There’s a piece in 6moons about this where the distributor was quizzed about a certain importer of gray goods. Their position was -not only is it unsupported, but using voltage adapters can affect SQ, can cause equipment failures, and the goods could even be subject to seizure at the border. In terrorem indeed!
I’m sure with a little research you can find they same things I did. I’m not going to diss AXiSS- I’ve bought through them via dealers, and I do know they need some profit to maintain the business here. As to whether they are taking too much, I guess that’s part of the consumer-distributor-manufacturer equation. I suspect if they wanted to, they could bring the stuff in at a lower price to broaden the market. But this is not the kind of gear that is going to benefit from a broad market- it’s pricey, niche stuff.
One thing worth checking is whether they will support used gear that was legitimately sold here. A thread about a year ago involving another manufacturer revealed that any used purchase, even of gear that was legitimately sold in the States, would not be supported by the manufacturer. Crazy.

It’s quite simple.  The US importer has chosen to mark up Accuphase at a ridiculous rate.  He is more interested in funding his retirement than promoting the brand in the US.  I’ve owned the E470 and E600 integrated amps but they are twice the price of Luxman and they are just marginally better.  Resale is horrendous so if you are patient, you could score a gently used piece at a huge discount. 

My experience with high end gear from Japan is that it may be much cheaper to buy it there, but the price here is often double (or more), due in part to the cost of maintaining a dealer network, mark-up and support. (There may also be tariffs but I’d defer to someone more knowledgeable on the subject).
Most of these companies will refuse to support or service gray market goods, so your only alternative is to pay the marked up price or buy used or gray market. (Used gray market may be the worst, so I’d be careful in verifying that any used product was authorized for sale here and will be supported, even if out of warranty).
I have no idea what their dealership network is like here in the States or how distribution is handled. My experience in buying equipment is that you can often get a dealer or distributor to work with you to some degree on price, but you aren’t going to change the basic pricing structure.
Japan is no longer considered a source for cheaply made goods, as you likely know. Have you looked at the prices in Japan, just for informational purposes? I suspect their products aren’t a bargain there either.
PS: I just looked AXISS is the US distributor. They also distribute Airtight, whose cartridges I use. Those are 1/2 price if you buy from Japan but you won't get any help here if you do. 

Thank you Al - and always nice to hear from you. I am really surprised as you noted  - that there does not seem to be a lot of interest here in the US for Accuphase. I truly enjoy my Esoteric - A03 amp which is 50 wats of pure class A power  - and ooooh is all so sweet but at times, it does lack a little push as I am driving Wilson Benesch speakers which are a tad inefficient. So looking at different amps and Accuphase was on my list and I came to s dead halt. Looking at the McIntosh 452 but do think it will have the resolution I am used to and I am looking into the Luxman M-900u and also  the top of the line Esoteric S-02. None of these are cheap and do not want to make a mistake. I really like the Cardas  XL's and have re-done my whole system with them. The Clear Beyond as you and I have talked about  - are not all that far beyond ( no pun intended ) are pretty darn good cords. Also looking ta Rowland but I think are out of my range. Stay well and thank you for your input as what you noted seems to be the issue.