Buying from China


What do you think the impact will be in buying gear from China in the near future. Will the parts supply chain be depleted. Will part s other then those specify be substituted.? Will wait times for electrics will be extended. I can get pretty paranoid about it. Interested in the options of those with better insights. Should I wait awhile until things settle down befor I place my next order? I imagine things are going to be tough for the small hi end audio manufacturer.
mordicai
To say employees are a commodity harkens back to the slave trade, which is still a basic underpinning of our present situation. To assign a certain "value" is incredibly arbitrary when one factors in who is assigning that value. 

It also assumes that we are all just islands, alone and aloof in this nation of over 330 million, which is farce. We are a community, down to our genes.

Back then it was good teeth, a strong back and if you could breed that got you ahead. Commodity indeed. I think we are not only past, but beyond that, unless one has drank too much cruel-aid, rationalizing their way through life.

All the best,
Nonoise
for the factually challenged, Boeing is headquartered in Chicago. They are the for profit people who trusted me with that cool billion dollars......every year...
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saddle your kids and grandkids with a trillion $ in debt to build a wall they will tunnel under or sawzall thru....true idiots love a wall in the modern world...
but because I am ( just a 2% kind of guy ) i run my numbers both ways and the difference between Obama tax rates and the Dumpsterfire tax cut goes right to the ACLU and other worthy caues, most of them suing this criminal administration, and so far mostly winning.....
Do posts here really imply that China is a communist country, or am I misunderstanding them?
Yes. And yes. As usual.

The CCP is the government of China. Yes the CCP allows people to own property and make money. Right up the the point the CCP decides to take peoples property and money. In other words instead of communism in the we all own the property sense, its communism in the you have no real property rights sense. But hey don't take my word for it. I have a real live Chinese national sitting not 50 feet from me, you PM me your number I will have him give you a call and splain it to you.
No need, I happen to be even closer. Way way closer than 50 feet.

’Right up the the point the CCP decides to take peoples property and money.’
In some other countries, they call it civil forfeiture.
They don't have to tunnel under or sawzall  through the wall  just wait for a big windstorm and it will blow over. 
Well then, what's one to think of when it comes to Elaine Chao, Mitch McConnel's wife? Her father is one of the 1% of that good 'ol CCP that we're being warned about, owning one of the largest shipping companies in the world, and once busted for transporting cocaine. 

Family of hers are all over Mar-a-Lago, getting past security to gain and peddle influence. 

As Transportaion Secretary, she steered about 25% of government business to Kentucky at the expense of the rest of the nation, with the help of a former McConnell staffer, who now works for Chao's department.

And then we have that Russian Oligarch, Dmytro Firtash, who's building a multi million dollar aluminum plant in Kentucky, all the better to leverage policy with.

And these criminals represent a side of this country that's perfectly fine with it as long as it's what they think and believe is their side winning.

Insert big sad here.

All the best,
Nonoise
No problem with “The man who came down the escalator” in fact Cheers to the President.  China makes some of the best audio equipment and cables on the market...Period.  The C Virus is a sad situation and should not be held against these Chinese manufacturers.  Most are very good business people and will deal with you right up front.  If you do not recognize this situation than it is to your detriment....
The C Virus is a sad situation and should not be held against these Chinese manufacturers.  Most are very good business people and will deal with you right up front.  If you do not recognize this situation than it is to your detriment....

Nice example of how to elide. Look it up. 

You want to talk business practice, fine. Before the Melody I had a SS integrated made in China. Unlike Melody, designed in China. 100% China. Developed a noise within a year. Dealer had to hound them to get any response. Eventually two of them said they would replace my amp, came to my house, heard the problem, promised to do something, then stopped even returning calls. Only Stewart being willing to take a loss for a friend saved me from what would have been my first and only total loss in 30 years in audio.

I never even bring this up until and unless someone is misinformed enough to try and stand up for Chinese business practices. As if being the most prolific industrial pirates on the planet isn't well known enough already. 

And here we go again. 100% accurate information casts CCP in a bad light, some snowflake gets triggered and mods take it down in three, two, one...
If anyone has been paying any attention to the various opinions from the major public health organizations over the last few decades, a pandemic has been considered almost inevitable eventually.
Fast convenient travel of all types for ever-increasing users from expanding locales internationally have made the probability of an opportunistic malady spreading geometrically worldwide almost a given.

What can one do in the short term?  Stay healthy, practice good hygiene.  Wash your hands often.  Avoid large crowds if that's practical.  If someone appears 'ill' near you, keep your distance.  If you don't feel well, don't go to work at your office or wherever (at least until you're sure you're healthy again).  If you don't improve significantly or get worse, then seek help. And keep your wits about you.

All of this ought to be SOP anyway.  Succumbing to abject paranoia ("It's a CCP biowar plot!") is counterproductive and uncalled for.

The Chinese themselves have the most to fear from this outbreak.  Their massive population and population centers have the most reason to be very concerned over this.

It's unlikely that you'll contract any disease from handling objects, unless you're in the habit of licking them....so don't.
...and in the meantime, Don't show up at my door unannounced.

I will shoot you and burn your body.....I hate zombies.

;)  Just kidding....let's keep me that way.. *smirk*
I was wondering how good of a thread this was noticing many pages in such short time, started reading and from China delays it escalated quickly into a political discussion, should we start a political thread?

BTW socialism and communist as social regimes by definition are a little different, in practice, real world examples neither exist, these are just fancy terms and concepts to disguise dictatorship regimes. Stalin and others in Russia, Castro in Cuba, Maduro in Venezuela, Mao Tse Tung (spelling could be wrong don't care to correct me) in China, all the same, populist governments turning into eternal dictatorship to support one person and its close acolytes.

Elaine Chao was born in Taipei which is in Taiwan 🇹🇼- a democratic state, unlike mainland China 🇨🇳 Her father James Chao founded the shipping company in 1964, well after he came to the United States 🇺🇸 in 1958.

“Active philanthropists, James Chao and his wife established the Mulan Foundation in 1984 to provide scholarships to help students in the U.S. and China access higher education and to promote U.S.-China cultural exchanges.[11]

In October 2012, Harvard University announced that Chao and his family foundation would donate $40 million to the Harvard Business School for the construction of the Ruth Mulan Chu Chao Center and the establishment of the Ruth Mulan Chu and James Si-Cheng Chao Family Fellowship Fund.[12] The Center will be a new building dedicated to executive education, the first building at HBS named after a woman and of an Asian surname.[13][14]

The CCP is the government of China. Yes the CCP allows people to own property and make money. Right up the the point the CCP decides to take peoples property and money. In other words instead of communism in the we all own the property sense, its communism in the you have no real property rights sense.

Things are no different in the US, or Canada, or the UK, or Germany, and so on. Merely a different label, in those specific regards. If they want it, they will take it and they do. More often than you might see it in the news, in the stilted and tilted views of the popular news shows. Eg, if I want truthful western news, I don’t go to western major media to try and see it - that would be a waste of time. 85% of all us journalists were fired in the great purge of the early 2000’s thru the early 2010’s.

The laws changed, with regard to truth vs lies. A Florida woman, an investigative reporter, took Fox to court about lies regarding bovine hormones in milk, a revamped story of hers... it went to the supreme court, and fox escaped it all -by rebranding themselves to being an entertainment company. this cascaded into all the large news and media companies in the us having renamed themselves as ’entertainment’ conglomerates. all news corporations are gone. Seriously. Legally...seriously.

At this point the news legally became a farce and laws about truth telling in news reporting in the US....lost all their teeth. At that point, anything was legal, any sort of lie or fabrication... as it was now legally ’entertainment’. Not news. Look it up, see for yourself. Zero penalties for fabrication and lies as it is now all legally ’entertainment’. Seriously, 110% so. Look it up.

Now it’s just a game, for these ’entertainment’ companies...of riding the edge of perception of this....by the public. the ’news’ as you know it now is not legally required to be truthful. These channels and shows... are all owned by entertainment conglomerates, thus...they are not legally required to tell you any truths, and any lies works, as there is no penalty for misguiding the public. They can be truth telling in some cases or some ways, but with the legal right to mix farce and lies with truth, and no penalties for it. So they really just need enough room to twist things ...just a bit.

And now they have that legal right as it is all entertainment, not news. So they ride the edge of the public perceiving this. News has always been this way, but now, the laws are on their side, the laws have deserted the public, completely. Totally circumvented. No one notices... as the ’entertainment’ companies are careful to work with their ’partners’ regarding this ’situation’.

This is why the us has been knocked down to such a low tier with regard to truth in news, by the global group of watchful journalists. I think the USA is now about 50th on the list, with regard to honesty in news.

If I want the truth on important matters, then I don’t go to western media in the USA. That would be a waste of time.

".....this thread will be gone..."Not unless a snowflake whines about it. Whining; there will be so much whining, you’ll get tired of whining. Yeah. I’m there.
At least In the US you get due process but yeah they can take property for certain reasons. Some of which I don't  agree with I am not pleased with the way they are grabbing land for that brain dead wall. 
If you are pulled over on the interstate and the cops find ten thousand dollars cash in your car, there's a very very good chance they will "suspect" that your money is the proceeds of drug dealing or money laundering or whatever lame reason they can conjure up. And they will take that money as well as your car. Even if you had just come from the bank after taking that money from your account in order to buy a motorcycle from a seller who insisted on cash, you will be victimized by the state and it will take you perhaps several years to prove your innocence. I didn't vote for that. This kind of thing never used to happen until the fear and hate of Bush's global war on terror came along, and with it, the militarization of local cops and sheriff departments. The above scenario does not have a hint of "due process" anywhere in it.
oregonpapa Frank last evening quoted Ayn Rand and espoused his rabid hate and fear for socialism; that made me think about his statement that he started working at age 14 in 1953, which would make him over 80 years old now. I wonder how Frank feels about getting a socialist check in his bank account each month for the past fifteen years and how he would compensate for it were it not forthcoming each month.
I try to only buy U.S , Canadian , or European. Anything under $100 will be hard to find other than Commie land.
That’s without taking into consideration, climate change, Hong Kong, plastic recycling, and overpopulation just to name a few off
the top of my head.