best external drive for ripping CDs

@vonhelmholtz 

Your activity seems controlled and proportional.  You should find another name than 'ripping'.  It sounds so sordid.

@clearthinker

You shouldn’t be ripping CDs. Think of the artist. Why are there so many selfish thieves around?

I’ve been doing as you instructed and think of the artist as I rip CDs for personal use that I have already paid for. Some of them are dead, so thinking about them is somewhat unsettling.

@mahler123

Initially, given that the BOT power light was flickering , I suspected the power supply might be defective. I wanted to try a different chord to test.   Bryston is unable to supply me with one .  Can find one on the internet with the necessary pin connector to the BOT.

@jbuhl 

don’t know about the BOT 1 power cord.  Why do you ask?

That's silly. Ripping CDs for personal use on a home network is no different than making mix tapes in the old days on cassette or reel. It's perfectly acceptable use.

Character is a trolling thread highjacker. Ignore 

That's silly. Ripping CDs for personal use on a home network is no different than making mix tapes in the old days on cassette or reel. It's perfectly acceptable use.

You shouldn't be ripping CDs.  Think of the artist.  Why are there so many selfish thieves around?

There are multiple ripping software programs that use the AccurateRip database to verify the CD content checksums.  DBPowerAmp is perhaps the best & best known.  Exact Audio Copy (EAC) is free (donations gladly accepted) and also uses AccurateRip.

Note that AccurateRip verification is not always possible, as the database is built from volunteer submissions.  This means that confidence in the comparison increases with the number of identical results submitted for the exact release you're ripping.

@jbuhl 

I use this: https://www.nch.com.au/rip/index.html?ns=true&kw=express%20rip&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyNLdwM7l_AIV_zizAB3d4wHgEAAYASAAEgKli_D_BwE

Best on the market and it's the fastest. The internal drive I use is server-grade. And that just means it's more reliable than the ultra-mass produced cheap drives.

@noske Are you a lawyer? I’m asking, because the piece I quoted is, as I mentioned, from Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) - an organization that represent recording industry in the United States. This very organization has powerful lawyers and will go after you in case of infringement.

I’m not sure what contradictions you found, but basically it says that in case of copying CDs you are allowed to copy any music into Audio CD-R or music you own into plain CD-R. In both cases royalties are paid. Manufacturers of Audio CD-Rs pay small amount per Audio CD-R to RIAA.

Getting back to original question: ripping is different from playing. When you play CD CDP, working in real time, can only go over each sector once. It can correct missing data caused by scratches along the track to about 4mm long, For longer scratches it will interpolate data and that might affect the sound.
When ripping it can go over each sector multiple times until proper checksum is obtained. For badly scratched CDs it can take hours, but it will recover data. The only difference between drives might be the time to do it or the level of disk damage that it can recover. For most CDs any mechanism will do. Program is more important here. Programs such as Itunes don’t make too many attempts and don’t even have settings for amount of tries nor they report final result. Most of specialized programs will report if CD was ripped without error and some will allow to set limits of attempts (otherwise it can go forever). Currently I use XLD on Mac, but before eI used Max where I set limit of attempts to 200. Program instructed CD reader to go over each sector up to 200 times to obtain proper checksum.
Getting better mechanism always help, but it is not as important as CDP for playback in most (99%) cases.

The LG looks good. I have always liked the Pioneer internal and external drives. 

I've had great luck with my Pioneer BDR-XS06.

I usually burn Best of CD's with one of my Harmon Kardon CDR20's or 30's. Through my stereo system, not my computer. I see that the CDR 30 has both optical and Coax inputs, you might be able to use with an adaptor perhaps?

You can even burn from CD's and/or Albums onto the same cd. You'll need the manual to figure all that out though.

 @mahler123

I don't suppose you kept the BOT-1 power chord?

In the common law system, copyright covers conveying the work under issue to the public.

Should I gift a copy to one of my wives there may very well be a moral issue

He mailed it back with a strong admonishment.

but it is not illegal. The opinion of the esteemed Dean was not provided.

I concede that the issue is tricky and that is a reason I ranted at how the wording provided is rather sloppy.  In drafting matters legal, wording must be razor sharp precise.

You can’t give away free copies of copyrighted material because only the copyright holder can control distribution. But making copies for personal use is perfectly fine.

noske

... I’d enjoy examining the law which makes it illegal to give away a copy.

Feel free, but it's at the very basis of copyright law. The underlying principle of intellectual property and copyright law is that it allows control of distribution, from which royalties and other revenue derives. You can't give away free copies of copyrighted material because only the copyright holder can control distribution. But making copies for personal use is perfectly fine.

I am very conscious of the copyright issue.  When CDs first came out I started making cassettes for personal use.  I then tried mailing one to a friend of mine who plays with the New York Philharmonic, among other organizations and with whom I discuss music.  He mailed it back with a strong admonishment.  I had never previously considered the issue before from the loss of royalties.  Later one of my sons graduated from a Law School well known for their work on Intellectual Property Rights, and he clerked for a summer for one of their Deans.  I met my son for lunch and the Dean insisted on buying us lunch at the school cafeteria.  When he discovered that I was a Physician he picked my brain for a while about his issue, and then I addressed the issue under discussion here with him for a while (the good old Barter System).  He also emails me a few articles from Legal Journals.

I absolutely don’t file share and really resent the comment from clearstinker.

  At any rate it’s remarkable that the OP and I had the same painful experience with the Bryston BOT.  My experience extended to the Bryston BDP3, which sounded great but which had so many snafus with it inept Web Browser as to drain all of the pleasure out of listening.  Bryston digital department sullies the decades of goodwill that they built up with their amplifiers.  And yes, the Melco is superb (Melco is the audiophile wing of a large computer peripheral company), but afaik it needs to be coupled to a Melco streamer/server

• The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal – to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying

Forgiving the many mistakes in the English language and punctuation in this and the more general quote that is provided, I’d enjoy examining the law which makes it illegal to give away a copy.

@kijanki

Is that legal nonsense drafted by a Washington bureaucrat or committee?

How many inner contradictions can you find? I count at least two, and that is two too many. I am not American - perhaps this simpleton culture is OK in the land of the free where issues of intellectual property are not well defined.

The word right has no need to be placed in parenthesis unless it is defined elsewhere as being something other than what is generally accepted.

Yes dbpoweramp + any decent drive will do the job well. 

Melco D-100 is the best.  Curious to hear from Hifi Rose RSA780 owners.  Wondering if it is also as good, much cheaper at $450 vs $1200 for the Melco.

More clear thinking from "clearthinker".

To echo previous posters, making a personal use copy of a CD is perfectly legal for the obvious reason that the purchaser of the CD has already compensated "the artists that made the music".

On the actual topic, I've heard good reports of the Melco drive for ripping purposes.

Personally, life is too short so I'm keeping my CD player for as long as possible and just streaming the music I don't have on CD.

You have to pay royalties.  As long as you own media that pays royalties you are OK.  Manufacturers of R2R tape pay tiny amount for each foot of the tape.  Same goes for digital tape or Audio CD-R.  Technically you could copy your friend's CD into Audio CD-R and you will be OK since royalties are paid.  It is all assuming personal use.  Exact explanation is on the RIAA  website:

Copying CDs

• It’s okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R’s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) – but not for commercial purposes.
• Beyond that, there’s no legal “right” to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However, burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t usually raise concerns so long as:
  • The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
  • The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal – to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.
  • The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
  • Remember, it’s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.

Any cd-rom drive is good enough as long as you use dbpoweramp to check the rip for 100% accuracy. 

+1 @onhwy61 

I checked with a copyright lawyer before I started burning CDs.  As long as I don’t sell or broadcast or make copies off my HD, it’s all legal.  So I guess we are better than parasites, (un)clearthinker

As long as you own the CD you have the fair use to rip it to your personal computer(s).  If you then sell or trade the CD, then you no longer have the fair use of the ripped files.

You shouldn't RIP CDs.  It is a breach of copyright.

Think of yourself as a thief.  Small penalties if you ever get caught does not compensate the artists that made the music.

Shame on you (all).  You are worse than parasites. Rip and burn takes you back to pre-civilisation.

I have stumbled upon the CD import utility in my SGC Sonic Transport.  Looks like it works, purdy spartan compared to DBPoweramp but free!.  I just moved my attached storage over from the Bryston and ROON indexed it.  ST also mounted the CD drive and first rip worked.  Now trying to configure where the rip actually lands.  Appears the first RIP landed on the ST and from what I understand there is no storage there except for the OS. 

I've also had good experience with a Pioneer BluRay drive but it won't power up through a hub like the Rose does.

@mahler123. Funny. I have a BOT-1 as well, picked up used from a Bryston dealer, the thing did burn about 100 CDs before it flaked out. It appears to have a problem with the power supply as the green light flashes (should be a constant green) but Manic Moose can’t keep it registered. I also sent mine to Bryston and it checked out and came back in same condition. Can’t believe they sold that thing to the public for $1.5K. No wonder they discontinued it.

I primarily use the Bryston BDP-pi as a ROON endpoint now and it functions well there.  But I must admit when using the Pi directly to stream Radio Paradise and Qobuz it does sound a tiny bit better than ROON.

I started with an Apple Optical drive. It died after a few hundred rips and I replaced

it with a Bryston Optical player (at the time I was using a Bryston BDP 3.). It was built like a tank, etc, and completely didn’t work. It ripped about 5 CDs, then couldn’t make it through a single CD (it was a “factory refreshed” model from Audio

Advisors). I sent it back to Bryston for servicing, at my expense for shipping. It came back weeks later, after I had to call Bryston, in exactly the same condition.

It is in a landfill now, the worst audio purchase I ever made.

Since I use a Melco NAS, I decided to buy their optical ripper (both the Melco and the Bryston can be used as CD Transports with their respective players). The Melco has worked great, ripping hundreds of discs without error, and yes sounds excellent as a CD transport.

I was in a thrift shop a few months back and bought a used Apple Optical player for a fiver. It ripped a few CDs well. The main reason I bought it is because it attaches to our MacBook and can play DVDs. We take train trips to see family a couple of times a year and Amtrak’s WiFi is no go for most of it, so we bring a few movies for the road

DBPowerAmp tells you if the CDs were accurately ripped.  If so, no other CD drive will make for improved sound.

They are mostly all pick-one-of-‘em cheap builds with an eventual lock to fail. They do a yeoman duty until then with their quirky noises cuz there is no quality power supply supply on a USB powered external unit, As pointed out, there are a relative few that are anecdotally reported as a better build than the cheap masses.

The CD ripping programs do their own internal cross checks from original to properly ripped copies, if there is a problem on the ripped digital copy , you know it. That’s not a worry point.

If you are progressing past a silver disc ripped copy and onto copies made to a large mass storage on an external HD or a NAS drive,… then Think SAMSUNG or an equivalent better quality build OEM brand and also  think SSD HD if possible.

If so, I would spend more attention to securing only a quality build external storage medium. The cheap POS units have reported extra “noise”, a longer load access time, A more irritating jitter on reading and playback, and a lock to fail earlier.

I got one of these off OWC. Built like a tank, and connected to my iMac via USB C