Audio Science Review = "The better the measurement, the better the sound" philosophy
"Audiophiles are Snobs" Youtube features an idiot! He states, with no equivocation, that $5,000 and $10,000 speakers sound equally good and a $500 and $5,000 integrated amp sound equally good. He is either deaf or a liar or both!
There is a site filled with posters like him called Audio Science Review. If a reasonable person posts, they immediately tear him down, using selected words and/or sentences from the reasonable poster as100% proof that the audiophile is dumb and stupid with his money. They also occasionally state that the high end audio equipment/cable/tweak sellers are criminals who commit fraud on the public. They often state that if something scientifically measures better, then it sounds better. They give no credence to unmeasurable sound factors like PRAT and Ambiance. Some of the posters music choices range from rap to hip hop and anything pop oriented created in the past from 1995.
Have any of audiogon (or any other reasonable audio forum site) posters encountered this horrible group of miscreants?
@rtorchia you said Anyhow, I hope readers of this thread will approach ASR with an open mind and draw their own conclusions. Ours is a great hobby and there’s plenty of room for different perspectives.
ASR is a pay to play website. The members proudly display their "donor" badges like medals. They are even ranked by how much scratch they cough up. Now imagine an "open minded" poster goes their and posts valid metrics that don’t support Amir. ASR can’t let their cash flow source know that the what they bought and paid for (which they proudly display) is nothing more than one opinion of many, many, many which are very different. Ask those members to think for themselves, listen to new equipment in their own room, send it back if it don’t cut it and make a decision? Without ASR to tell them what to do? oh, the horror. Try posting anything like that and you get instant ban, no rhyme or reason other than to keep the paying members isolated and on the kool aid of Amir wagon train.
@kota1+10 ASR is a scam of an audio website. Fools are soon fleeced for slanted biased opinions and data based on what Amir can sell them. Chi-Fi all day and not the top end stuff.
@noskeit is used in all the trade rags all over the internet and is not a Derogatory Racist term. Only in your woke little mind. . Please ...such a prude. Are you living in a bubble . 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 WLB.
@quiet is in opposition to Audiogon as I was to ASR. Definitely an ASR advocate member. Our members have the facts about Amir/ASR and his dealer relationship to his site and possibly to his testing results.
I own custom made tube equipment which has point to point wiring. The manufacturer has spent 40+ years in honing his soldering technique. I have proudly owned his equipment for nearly a quarter century. It would cost me maybe $50K to $100K to equal it or surpass it. ASR derides that it is tube and boutique manufactured. The ASR members who responded to me hate and despise me until I was thrown off. I didn’t realize how narrow was their scope of acceptance.
Here at Audiogon, @quiet can voice his opinion without posters casting negative aspersions on his character or person. We disagree with his statements presented as facts. However, he is a troll based on his recent Audiogon status and adamant disregard for alternative facts.
@fleschlerHere at Audiogon, @quiet can voice his opinion without posters casting negative aspersions on his character or person. We disagree with his statements presented as facts. However, he is a troll based on his recent Audiogon status and adamant disregard for alternative facts.
I’m pleaased that the collective we alllow @quiethis opinion - the tribe on this occasion are most generous.
In the absence of evidence provided by the owners of this forum, you have no basis upon which to judge the character of a person who posts here.
Your own character must be at issue first. Should AG mods disagree, then let them say it.
Excuse me? You are too afraid to say the word despite being full of it on this thread?
Declare your interest in having ASR discredited. You are not a troll, just puerile and probably out of your depth on a forum seeking adult discussion...
Perhaps we need a timeout here to assess just what we are debating as there seems to be a conflation of several issues here.
Some seem to object to reviews primarily based upon technical assessment. Even when that is clearly the stated intent of ASR.
Some seem to be attacking Amir's personal integrity. A little strange considering the fact that he has openly declared his previous affiliation with Harman Kardon.
Some seem to be challenging Amir's ability to carry out the measurements without providing any examples of how it could have been done better.
Some simply seem to regard the existence of ASR as a personal attack upon their own beliefs and systems.
So which is it to be?
Or are all science based review sites such as the following, the real problem here?
I didn't know Amir previously worked for Harmon Kardon. Maybe that has influenced his preference for Revel speakers? Well personal integrity is something I do find a problem with considering his retail sales interest in promoting products he measures well while chastising so many other products he has never heard, especially anything he considers too expensive and snake oil.
I don't like the @juanmanuelfangioiiand @noskeverbal attacks on each other. I see points of each. Chi-fi is both derogatory and a commonly used term. CCP manufactured products currently provide a broad range of audio products from really cheap to excellent in quality. My qualm with Chinese made audio are the parts used are generally not of audio quality but of electronic/computer grade. Designs are often excellent. I have heard many Chinese made audio equipment and have found some very good products at very competitive prices. I rather purchase excellent quality used non CCP made audio gear than the typical CCP gear at the same new prices. Many top audio manufacturers now design in Western countries and have Chinese build the products.
Don't fall for the misdirection, ASR is pay to play, you don't pay, you don't post what is gospel at the altar of ASR= ban. Truth is not the friend of propaganda when you have a meter running and people laying out their plastic with NO idea where the driver is taking them. He is taking them "for a ride"alright', right into his pocket.
This is a direct quote from jerryg123 commenting on a thread started by earlflynn about the Quality x200, which coincidentally both own.
"I was talking to the guy who wrote this review this morning. He is my cousin and lives down in Texas and he also owns a X200 and had a similar issue."
@jerryg123she is a genius and only 16 and in her second year at Northwestern
So, she may take a class in psychology and perhaps learn the nuances of projectionism, narcissistic behaviour and other related unacceptable social behaviour.
Might gently teach her Dad who is recovering from a major stroke a thing or two.about kindness.
I find it an amusing distraction that you guys have to, after being banned, ’lay low’ for a bit, then join again announcing you’re the ’new guy’ with a new name and behaving for a while.
But inevitably, that personality that got you banned in the first place starts cracking that facade, and out leaks those same childish, abrasive, insulting posts in the exact same writing style that got you banned in the first place. Please do carry on, can’t wait wait to see what you two write next! Actually, never mind. Please don't derail the thread.
Guys, please. This "quiet" troll has achieved his intention by turning a number of members of this forum against each other and creating bickering.
Let me post a couple of things and then that’s it. Someone above posted that ASR looks at shoddy workmanship, and I agree that is great. If people are shelling out big money or even moderate amounts then people deserve to know if something is built properly. There are some rumours however that the equipment that is sent to Amir is cherry picked and built to a higher standard that is commercially available.
It is when stupid comments are made that you don’t need to hear equipment, just look at its measurements to determine its quality. When cables are "tested" without being plugged in and when respected manufacturers are labelled charlatans.Then things become silly. Also there is no doubt that ASR has a cult mentality. If you want someone who knows measurements, look at Andrew Jones. There is a person who knows what he is talking about.
Secondly the term "Chi Fi" is not derogatory or racist. There are some Chinese manufacturers that are great. Opera Consonance is one. Another is AM that makes world class equipment - both tube amps and Dacs. I am not sure if Americans know about this brand. The designer is Fang, formerly from Stereo Knights who founded Audio Music. The equipment is awesome.Look at the AM 833S for example.
Let me post a couple of things and then that’s it. Someone above posted that ASR looks at shoddy workmanship, and I agree that is great. If people are shelling out big money or even moderate amounts then people deserve to know if something is built properly.
Wow. Spotting shoddy workmanship is not a high watermark to brag about. Any good reviewer would do that.
As for Tommy lost, he had his day in court is still, some pretty sick sh*t to go on about in an audio forum. Having a trial in the pocket of a judge and jurisdiction where hunting humans is okay as long as you're on the "winning side" is not what you'd want people to think of yourself unless you're one sick individual with an axe to grind.
So it seems you are the same, lame individual(s) under a new handle, as has been pointed out.
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