Will China become the poor man’s dealer for high end audio?


With the insane prices now being asked for audio equipment from manufacturers around the globe is china going to fill in the gap between the haves and have-nots.? We are already seeing some signs of this with manufacturers like Jays Audio and Denafrips offering product-performance prices below global market value. The only thing I see holding them back is they will always be one leg behind the rest of the world since they copy most of the technology they use and world wide acceptance.

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My current preference is tube amps. In my price range if I bought new, I suspect my best value would be in a Chinese amp based on previous experience and what I see out there. The manufacturers I would want to choose from would be less than the U.S. selection though. 

America is great for innovation,  but if you can't see that China is on the rise as the dominant and growing country/empire in the world,  I think you're in denial. China cannot currently make my plant's aerospace parts, but they will get there. 

 Different countries have different cultures, different financial and manufacturing goals, and different tastes.  I was reading on distributor's site where they warned about the different sound signature of high end Chinese speakers designed for Chinese consumers that may not meet western expectations.  

I lived in Germany,  loved it, and loved the German people. As a manufacturer using German equipment,  I hate German equipment. There is certain equipment where Germany is the only or one of the few choices and nothing available from innovative U.S.  Despite what you may hear about German precision stereotype, German equipment is overcomplicated,  not reliable, not well supported especially not providing information to their American distributors,  and difficult to maintain. The Germans are slow to respond to issues if they do at all and are very arrogant. They don't believe complaints from the American arm of their company let alone their customers. 

Luckily I've only had experience with a little French equipment. Similar to German equipment issues except not over-engineered, zero customer support, and extremely unreliable. 

I bring up non-audio examples because the supposed best or not harshly judged countries also make crap. 

As China continues to build infrastructure and improve technology,  it will dominate more and more markets. One of my favorite amps still is a Chinese built hand wired beauty. I would still have it if it didn't weigh 115 lbs and had to be flipped to bias tubes. I have a great Japan built amp now, but still miss the China built one. 

There is great American gear,  but also manufacturers that provide decent gear at an overblown price that spend more money on marketing than their products. This really applies to manufacturers worldwide though. As said previously or in other words, I don't think innovation is key with a lot of products versus maturity of the company,  design team, product line, and customer base as far as providing the highest quality products. Innovative to me is the guy in his basement that figures out a $20 upgrade to a $200 DAC that makes it sound like $500. Insanely priced products referenced in OP are either warranted because of the years and cost to develop them, or they are overpriced at price enough consumers are willing to accept or both.  Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see a lot of innovative products. If anything most consumers shy away from innovative designs.  Maybe the thought of innovation doesn't make as much sense to me as just good design is being referenced. 

All the U.K. gear I've had has been high end to me, so low-mid fi here. It's all been of high quality and I enjoy what I've heard of British sound signature. Not sure about how innovative it is. 

Thinking about tubes, what does it matter who's best if the U.S. and U.K. don't make tubes any more?  Better to start designing amps around the tubes available instead of having to do tube rolling to tubes that cost as much or more than the amp or are no longer available. I have heard very good Chinese tubes and am hopeful for continued improvement with the lack of other countries/manufacturers. 

With the insane prices now being asked for audio equipment

Will the insane customers paying inflated prices for audio equipment continue to pay? It isn't the vendors fault.

My biggest issue when buying anything from China is the level of trust in their products. Simply put, are their parts being used genuine parts from the original manufacturer or just labeled as: Capacitors, resistors and transformers.

My amps are Chinese. My DAC is Chinese. My cables are Chinese, at least most of them. Most of my accessories (footers etc) also are. My Audiolab transport is British but made in China.

 

I'm "poor". There is no way I could afford ANYTHING half decent from western brands. But I own a fantastic sounding system.

China is now becoming the worlds super power, respectively the USA is becoming a third world country by design unless it is stopped. Yes many of  their products are very good for the price

Canada became a dictatorship too... Guess why and how ?..

There is no reason rational or historical to judge creativty of countries from political standpoint...

Free countries are better for creativity yes, but there is varieties and level of freedom and varieties and levels of dictatorship...

Pick your flavor .... Suit your tastes and dreams..

Three of my dac are chinese, one is french... All are good and useful ...

My Akg K340 is german design ....

My 2 Sansui amplifier are from Japan...

My microzotl2 is American...

All are stupendous technology ...

I am an Earth  free spirit/soul  forcefully interned in Canada dictatorship not long ago by birth ... 😊😁 Conditioned by medias sold to the power and with no illusion on government right now...Guess why ?

 

 

By its aggressive stance over everything, China is now proved to be an enemy of the rest of the world. Buying their hi-fi product will assist them in realising the aggression. We should have learned the lesson with Russia.

@clearthinker , you clearly live inside a propaganda hole and seem to have an unclear view of the world...Forget the nations who are neutral or hostile as a reaction to US foreign policy, you could go around and even ask the US ’allied’ nations (vassal states in reality such as Germany, France, Japan, Canada, Italy, etc) about who they think is the real aggressor in this world. They will only point to one nation and it certainly won’t be China.

Carry on....

Is there any system component from a high end brand that has zero chips, resistors, capacitors, wiring, fuses, etc. that isn’t manufactured in China? 

China is following the pattern Japan did.  Advance rapidly in a few decades and be very financially successful while having a very low birth rate.  When you aren't spending resources on bringing up the next generation you can have incredible economic growth but it's not sustainable.  China might be almost over.  Demographic collapse is their future.

New Chinese Demographic Data = Population Collapse || Peter Zeihan - YouTube

If Canada is dictatorship then China is what ?

I only buy Western and Japanese equipment, anyway, either new or used. Moderately priced. American tube amps with Chinese tubes in them ?.. I'd rather not but I understand their difficulties.

I give a credit to Chinese people for the China's economic transformation but this doesn't mean that I am eager to even indirectly participate in it. And I certainly would not appreciate being forced into it. 

Long live (relatively) free the US and Canada.

Wealthy people too! Some very fine equipment coming out of China. May not have dealer support. 

They are past the place of only providing the cheap gear, they are already well established in building modern interpretations of classic tube amplifiers and speakers, selling at prices that are not low but are competitive.

@soix

re "Frankly I’m pretty amazed by companies like Schiit, Rogue and some others who can play in the budget/midFi categories and still manufacture here in the US what with our significantly higher wages, health benefits, and overall costs of doing business — truly impressive."

INDEED, and I salute them. My system, including Vandersteens, is American-made except for my Rega CD player. I try to avoid China-made products because of their political system and hegemony, and their piracy of intellectual property.  They have capitalized (see what I did there?😎 ) on America's insatiable demand for cheaper goods (looking at you Walmart and Walton family), which had led to the export of manufacturing offshore and to China by American companies. 

Their manufacturing skill is truly amazing though.