Tom,
The 10-12 minute sides bother me as well. I don't doubt it helps with SQ but think the larger factors (in regard to SQ) are how well they were mastered & pressed. Case in point... "The Golden Palominos OAO album" as well as "Calexico's Black Light album" are both >20 minutes per side & spectacular sounding. There are many others in my colection that fit that category as well. On the other hand, probably my best sounding album (SQ wise) is "The Butthole Surfers Widowmaker! EP", which is 45RPM / 12 minutes (approx.) per side, & the 45RPM Radiohead LP's seem to sound better than the 33's. So there is that...
Glad I could clear that up for Y'all 😀
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The Beta Band - "The Three E.P.’s"
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Canned Heat - Living the Blues, RSD Black Friday release.
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@tomic601 - You're a dangerous man! Just sayin'...
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@spiritofradio - Thanks for the link. Per the article, about 22-24 minutes per side before there is any effect on SQ.
So, at least some of the offending albums had some "extras" thrown-in to make the 4 sides at least reasonable long. Still wish they would have just put the original content on 2 sides (or 3, if 2 would have been over about 23 minutes per side).
Anyone have any 3 sided records with cool artwork pressed into side 4?
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Donald Fagan’s Kamakiriad
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#####@@@@@@ holy cow, forgot how insanely good Tower of Power are…
i must be dangerous…fricking captcha every post… argh
I am a crosswalk robot on a dirt ox cart
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The Band-Music From Big Pink 1982 Mofi
Remounted the at vm740 last night to give it one more fair shake before I list it for sale. It’s not a bad cart, but on this rig the Grado just sounds better to me.
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after 73 days, i washed up on a tropical beach, burned, bleached, bleeding, down to skin and bones…. i asked the natives IF they had any 50’s vinyl…….
Tower of Power - Sheffield Labs ( IF ya wanna hear what a fast cut can do )
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I am a fast cut robot in a Life of Pi rowboat…
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Tom,
Here’s your answer - pretty much what Jim said
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Not sold on 45 rpm or 2 LP versions. I've 70s almost flexi-thin vinyl that sound incredible and 180 gram LPs that are noisy and dull. Give me an analog 50s/60s disk most days.
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Tom, For example on Pat Metheny - Side Eye, 62 minutes of music on 4 sides. Great sounding record although not on a fancy label.
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John Prince - "Fair and Square"
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I wonder if there is a sweet spot regarding how many minutes of content are optimal when considering maximizing content, without affecting Sound Quality. I'm likely not as critical of a listener as some of you, so I find it annoying when there is only 10/12/13 minutes of content on a side, pushing the album to two disks unnecessarily.
However, if the Sound Quality is noticeably improved (even though I don't necessarily hear it), I'm all for it.
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Sir Simon Rattle conducts Britten - Young Apollo / Canadian Carnival / Four French Songs / Scottish Ballad. City Of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra. Angel 1982
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Tom,
Sort of like the short sides on a 12” 45? Those are a different thing I know but every one I have (about 8) is worth the bother.
I have very few replacement records at all and none with an expanded number of discs. I do however have several newer issue, 33 rpm sets with 3 or 4 relatively short sides and they all sound great. I believe it helps. Most times I don’t mind the extra trouble (except for maybe on Neil Young’s recent Colorado - which is new but as you describe and is annoying - exception that proves the rule …)
opposite is too much ( > 25 minutes ) crammed on a side often doesn’t sound good on my rig. Case in point: in a box of piano sonatas nos. 1-4: < 20 min per side sound good. 5th: +30 min crammed on one side sounds flat, thin, crummy. Good test because every other aspect is apparently the same. But I suspect this is a well known thing to you and the cognoscenti here.
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@reubent
I haven't had to click-a-pic captcha in a while. Selective based on perceived danger of the poster? Who knows?
I must be very dangerous then. 😁
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pharaoh sanders - heart is a melody
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I haven't had to click-a-pic captcha in a while. Selective based on perceived danger of the poster? Who knows?
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János Ferencsik conducts Kodály - Balett Zene & Szimfónia. Orchestra of the Budapest Philharmonic Society. Qualiton 1965, Hungarian release.
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Hey "turntable tonight?" thread guys. Anyone else annoyed by this recent practice of placing a standard LP length recording onto 2 disks
Tom, I don’t like it either. It increases the likelihood of getting a noisy pressing (1 vs. 2LPs) and spoils the continuity of songs for some records IMO.
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It doesn’t bother me Tom.
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Tom, I was just goofing. I have some compilations that have side 1 & 4 on one disc and 2 & 3 on the other. I always chuckle a little when I see those.
I do get annoyed by that, but on the other hand, just the last couple of days I've played a couple of records that have a bunch of songs on each side and hear occasional weird chirps / distortion.
I am more annoyed that we seem to be back to having to solve a picture captcha for every post. That is going to put an end to my posting days.
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Dad had the stacker attachment for the 1019 Idler drive Dual TT but we were expressly forbidden ( verboten in Dual speak ) to even eye such a device…..
I am a slacker stacker Robot
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Love David Gray, in particular White Ladder as it summed up / captured a life phase i was in….thanks Tom, i will check that out. The recuts MAY be driven by a move back to manual recutting with less compression and bass demphahasis (eq) caused by computerized lathe. Dynamic range and volume at low end drive spacing… The wider spacing is better up to a point.
I surfed right up next to buying a manual Skulley lathe tgen discovered the Ferrari oil change bill… ha.
Jim
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@big_greg - Are you mocking me? ;~)
Anyway, you can't do that with modern records as they are pressed - Disk 1 (side 1, side 2) and Disk 2 (side 3, side 4). It would play out of order on a stacker.
Now, if you have old double LPs, most of them were pressed - Disk 1 (side 1, side 4) and Disk 2 (side 2, side 3). This way you could play them on a stacker, listen to the first 2 LPs, flip the stack and listen to the rest, in order!
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Hey "turntable tonight?" thread guys. Anyone else annoyed by this recent practice of placing a standard LP length recording onto 2 disks (4 sides)? 2-3 songs on a side makes for lots of up/downs to swap sides.
I think they sound amazing. I just toss them on the BSR record changer and let it do the work.
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Kate Bush - 50 Words for Snow
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Wow! The David Gray - "Mutineers" LP is very good. Only had it previously on free digital download that was included free with tickets to that tour. The LP is much better IMHO.
Check it out if you like David Gray.
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rufus & chaka - masterjam
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Hey "turntable tonight?" thread guys. Anyone else annoyed by this recent practice of placing a standard LP length recording onto 2 disks (4 sides)? 2-3 songs on a side makes for lots of up/downs to swap sides.
I can understand it for records that are significantly longer than a typical LP. However, standard record length releases spread across 4 sides seems like a marketing ploy to me.
Does anyone think/know if there is a significant Sound Quality improvement to having more available space to spread the track across? Also, what are your thoughts on records that have the album spread across only 3 sides of a double LP? I have a few like this.
Anyway, maybe I'm just getting lazy. But changing sides after only 10-12 minutes, or so, seems excessive to me.
Thoughts? Pro or Con....
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Thanks for pointing out the hole in my collection James. I just ordered a copy on purple vinyl.
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James, I don't have that one on vinyl, but it's on my network. I'm a fan of Tommy Bolin also!
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@big_greg +1 on Deep Purple morning moods.
Do you have Come Taste The Band? Heavily Tommy Bolin influenced.
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Lucinda has been on a roll!
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A recent arrival,
Joanne Shaw Taylor "The Blues Album"
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That one's on my list Spencer.
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Heard a great new release on digital yesterday. Amazing interpretations of songs we've all heard a million times. Had no idea I needed another cover of Street Fighting Man.
Lucinda Williams - You Are Cordially Invited...A Tribute to the Rolling Stones
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@sbank
The shocker for me was that Milt Jackson plays piano, not vibes on that album. I didn't even know he plays piano. Geez, what a talent.
Wow...Really? Now, that is interesting. I didn't know he played piano either.
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R.E. M. - Murmur
Low - Secret Name
Ben Folds And WASO – Live In Perth
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@bkeske
Never heard that album before (Jazz Sur Seine), but as an MJQ Fan, I should check that out.
The shocker for me was that Milt Jackson plays piano, not vibes on that album. I didn't even know he plays piano. Geez, what a talent.
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Deepest Purple - The Very Best of Deep Purple
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Savoy Brown / Street Corner Talking
1971 Parrot
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John Mayall / The Turning Point
1969 Polydor
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The Paul Butterfield Blues Band / S-T
1965 Edsel Records
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Joe Pass "Portraits of Duke Ellington"
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@jerryg123 +1 The The - Infected. What a cracking album. The bastard gave me tinnitus 20 years ago.
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Michael Murphey / Blue Sky Night Thunder
1975 CBS
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@tomic601 Good to hear you liked it. You have me wanting to give it another spin!
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