Yeah how can I pass it up? I know what VA's sound like, and I don't know if the Beethoven Grand will sound any different than the Mozart's. but there will be more of it! if all goes well and my speakers sell ill get the Beethoven's for 1k plus the time and gas of a 4hr round trip drive. |
Go for it Jug... Talk about a bargain... Vienna Speakers are uberperformers even if you got them new at full price... Beethoven Grands for $2K are total no brainers... They will take what Mozarts are good for and multiply it by 5! Let us know how things go.
G. |
I just found a seller a few hours away from me looking to sell some VA Acoustics Beethoven concert grand's in mint cond for 2k and I have a buyer for my Mozarts who will give 1k. I'm going to jump all over this! |
Yep like I said they offer a 40 day in home trial, and I understand the audio world is like everything else with the offer of snake oil. if someone says their speaker is better than what I have and back it, there is no harm in taking a listen. |
JUg, I have never heard either VApor or Wavetouch and have no experience with either's customer service so both are unknowns to me.
Obviously most vendors will say their stuff is best. They might even believe it. Its what you think and their willingness to do what they can to make you a happy customer that matters. Track records matter. |
"The owner of the company is confident that his speakers will outperform my VA Mozart's and I wont return them."
lol. |
I agree, and wavetouch audio does offer a 40 day in home trial, I just have to pay return shipping. The owner of the company is confident that his speakers will outperform my VA Mozart's and I wont return them. what's to lose? nothing since there is a in home trial. 2k is far from 10k but who knows what they sound like? they might go toe to toe with speakers 2 to three times their cost. |
In home trial is what you want. You might have to pay return shipping but that should be the only real risk if legit.
OR buy used and do not overpay and then resell and move on as needed for another way to try in home with less risk. For large expensive gear, look for good used options that have all the potential shipping issues covered. I like to wait for a local seller and pick up myself whenever possible, especially for larger heavy expensive gear like $10K speakers. |
There's a pair of Sonus Faber Elipsa's up for sale on this site now. It's hard to do better than those for $10K. |
Jughead did you take a look at the Nola Ko's? |
You could order in Wavetouch and all of the speakers below, then select a winner!!
Fluance-30 Day Risk Free in Home Trial - Fluance.com
Aperion Audio: Best Home Audio Systems | Surround Sound ...
www.aperionaudio.com/ 60-day risk free in-home
Sanders Sound Systems - Sanders 30 Day In-Home Trial
sanderssoundsystems.com/sanders-30-day-in-home-trial
45 Day In-Home Audition - SVS
www.svsound.com/45-day-free-trial
JansZen Electrostatic Speakers
www.janszenloudspeaker.com/
30 Day Trial with Satisfaction Guarantee on direct purchases
If you do that please post the results.
Best of luck in your search. |
wavetouch has a 40 day in home. |
Nothing against Wavetouch or Vapor, but in general, with vendors that have not been around for long and with lesser known products, its hard to say if their products are "end game" or not. Time usually tells what works best. It's a riskier proposition in general. That's not to say the risk may not pay off. But for $10000, why take a risk? Especially if you are not able to hear before having to commit. |
What about Wavetouch Audio? |
@Deadlyvj What things went down for Vapor a month ago? Please enlighten us. |
Ahem!
Vapor audio!
$10,000.00
Rest of the Agon community is sitting still jaded? Or they just not interested input?!
Just saying, there are a Truck load of choices out there, FYI some with the right mind(s), names at this level is irrelevant, but VAPOUR?!, things went down for this company a month ago, now this?.
Any small time manufacturer heading this direction (all well come) need to have research and developent straight, and put forth. Just having the best components in a flashy box will be less less attractive, at least to a enlightneded few. There has to be door stoppers for small scale manufacturers, otherwise a lot of people will be dissatisfied.
Ok now waiting for 5 people to commit hara-kiri in the name of Vapour!! |
Interesting about the used Vapors having cosmetic issues... Were they due to manufacturing or careless transport by fed ex or owners? The ones I saw at the shows were flawless.
I always look at the guts of the speaker. The drivers used, the crossovers, how solid the cabinets are. I think that Vapor uses top notch components that are also found in other speakers costing much more.
For me personally, spending $10k on speakers would involve me doing a month or two or research. I imagine there would be many many options out there.
I must say again though that if I had a large enough room, a pair of Nimbus would be on the short list.
There is a pair of Paradigm Tributes local to me for $3700. Pair them with a 2 JL subs and that might be the ticket for me.
There would be quite a few choices and options I would consider |
"01-19-15: Souljasmooth
I don't understand how a thread about looking for "end of game" speakers up to $10K turned into buying the Vapor Audio Breeze?"
I agree with you 100% |
take a look at Nola KO; I drive them with tubes and solid state; they never let me down. |
I vote for 2nd hand True Sound Works restored Apogee Duetta Signatures which use Graz ribbons are a ground up rest including improved frame, crossover, wiring etc. I doubt you would do much better with $10-$11k. |
I'd recommend getting to a show if possible. This is Vapor's main business model: shows, forums and word of mouth. Which seems to have worked very well. They are consistently mentioned in best of show reports. But no type of speaker is for everyone. While not in ideal settings, shows give you a great idea of what flavor best suits you. |
I don't understand how a thread about looking for "end of game" speakers up to $10K turned into buying the Vapor Audio Breeze? And yes there has been a number of Vapor speakers for sale on audiogon, almost all of them with cosmetic issues. |
You guys don't look to carefully enough . There was just a pair of Cirrus for auction a few days ago, and I have seen 3 or 4 other pairs of Cirrus. I also have seen a pair of Nimbus within the past couple of months.
Does anybody have an idea what the auction pair of Cirrus went for? Just curious. |
The thing is unless your room is exceptionally large the world is your oyster for speakers with 10k to spend. Not to say there are not products that cost more but for most people's home applications the additional utility that might be present with some products probably does not matter much. If all else is done well. Good sound is a team sport. Speakers are key but can't do it all alone. |
I've never heard any vapors so can't say. They seem like a very nice product. No idea how many pair have been made and out there but I think they have only been around a few years which might help account for scarcity used. Seems like a solid product one can build around with success just not a huge track record to date.
Would like to hear them someday plus the build quailty is supposedly top notch. |
I haven't ever seen a pair of Vapors for sale used. Hmmm... |
the ones your wife will like before she knows the price. |
I was thinking the same thing. Nothing to do with vapor but speaker preferences vary. Personally I would not risk a large financial loss. Buying used or vendor policies can help alleviate the risk. If it does not work out the money saved can still be invested as needed |
Just wondering if there is a free trial period with Vapor speakers? If not what's the resale situation with them. Not sure what the risk is if you don't end up liking them or they're just not to your personal taste. |
without hearing a vapor speaker I don't want to spend to much at first, just wanna get a taste of their speakers and go from there. the stiff breeze is the upper half of the nimbus and if I don't like it I don't think id have much problem selling them. And I agree the Nimbus is sexy as hell! |
I love Vapor Audio. The Nimbus is my 2nd all time favorite speaker. Sounds amazing and I love the looks of it. I could justify spending $20k on a pair, if of course, I had $20k :)
Just curious, why not the sundog white? I would think that the accuton and raal would really please you... |
small steps are fun though. |
Yeah it never seems to end does it? my wife just shakes her head and says I thought you were done buying speakers 5 sets ago? I've had a parade of speakers come threw my house in the past 20yrs, and I'm sure its not going to end anytime soon. anyone interested in my stiff breeze? I'm sure I'll be looking to sell those in the next 6 months or year(lol). |
Buy the Nimbus (or something in that general price) now and get off the upgrade train, if not permanently, for at least a longer period of time. The Stiff Breeze is another $2,500 speaker, and while it may be a great $2,500 speaker (I have not heard it), it is not the answer to "What speaker for $10k?"
If you want to make a significant leap forward in the quality of your sound reproduction you can't make it taking small steps. Just my experience, FWIW.
Best of luck in your search.
Jim Perry |
"01-17-15: Jughead
I'm going to go with the stiff breeze for now and if I feel the need to upgrade I'll take a more serious look at their higher offerings. I think at some point I'll end up with the Nimbus just love the looks of that speaker, and the 15 inch driver in it makes me wonder if I would ever need to run any subs with these speakers?"
Spoken like a true audiophile. You may be looking for an end game speaker, but you're not looking to end the game. |
PMC IB2i
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrHQe2N4w2o |
No experience with Vapor, but dude if it were me. I would get the PMC IB2is for sale here on Audiogon for $5K. Just simply outstanding speakers. |
I'm sure you'll be happy. Ryan is a big NIN fan and the Vapors do really well with your kind of music. |
I'm going to go with the stiff breeze for now and if I feel the need to upgrade I'll take a more serious look at their higher offerings. I think at some point I'll end up with the Nimbus just love the looks of that speaker, and the 15 inch driver in it makes me wonder if I would ever need to run any subs with these speakers? and so far their customer service is excellent, and good customer support is what sold me on Parasound and psa subs. I'm going to place my order Monday, so it'll be at least a month give or take till I get them, but until then id sure like to hear about anyone's experience with vapor. |
Yeah vapor told me the same thing that the stiff breeze would handle my musical taste better, and offered to send me the breeze to tide me over until they had my stiff breeze ready. sounds like a good deal to me. |
Vapor is a custom speaker shop, when you discuss your tastes for music and sound...ryan and pete will make suggestions for upgrades. Vapor, without a doubt, offers sensational speaker for the money. For example, I purchased the lsa statement 1's and terry london did a very nice review of them. that is, until Terry London reviewed the stiff breeze and he pretty much said in his review that Stiff Breeze trumped the lsa's easily. |
The Stiff Breeze will most certainly be better for the type of music you listen to. I got to hear them at Axpona a couple of years ago and liked them quite a bit. If your room is not real big, they will play quite loud without being stressed and are about 4 db more sensitive than Breeze. The bass extension posted on their site is spot on and quite surprising for the size of the speaker. Another thing about the Stiff Breeze is that that it is essentially the top half of Nimbus. The Nimbus adds an Acoustic Elegance 15 inch woofer to the Stiff Breeze. AE woofers are absolutely top notch. If you like Stiff Breeze, there would be no reason to believe you wouldn't like Nimbus provided your room could accommodate them sonically.
I agree with both Toddnkaya and Roscoeiii in regards to the necessity to be patient. Builds can take a long time and have unexpected delays. The end result is worth it provided you can exercise patience. Let us know what you decide. |
Really you think the breeze will handle that type of music ok? because I can get the breeze right now, not in the color I would like but it could give me a good idea of the sound they produce, and then I could get what im really eyeballing, the nimbus. But yeah you're right custom speakers and stands are worth the wait. |
With your huge 15inch sub , I would think both can handle that type of music. You do want to be careful not to tear the ribbon though. |
I am very happy with my Aerial 7Ts. They fit your budget nicely! |
Yeah maybe you're right about the wait, I'm in no big hurry anyway. how do the breeze or the stiff breeze do with music like tool nine inch nails avenged sevenfold? I would think the stiff breeze would handle that type of music better than the breeze would? |
The new KEF Reference 3 looks interesting and promising. Why not PMC Fact 8 or twenty.26? Try to audition these at a dealer and see if you like them. |
Yeah, Toddnkaya is right. What Vapor offers are built-to-order speakers for the most part (occasionally you may find pairs that were built to be used at shows). And that gives you the opportunity to customize them in some way if you so choose (exotic, expensive capacitors, different finishes etc). But if waiting is a no-go for you, your Vapor options will likely be quite limited.
For me, I'm willing to wait for an end game speaker, whether that means enduring a long build time, or waiting for a used pair of speakers I am interesed in to come up for sale used at a price I can afford. |
If your in a hurry for speakers maybe Vapor Speakers are not the best option for you. Every speaker is made to order, production times can get delayed etc.. The Cirrus and other speakers can take 6 months or longer. I know the Breeze and Stiff Breeze are pretty fast turn around times at 4 weeks. With a small custom factory there is a chance for delays, but there is a big payoff if your patient. You may get your speakers in the exact allocated time of 30 days. If your going to upset if the target shipping date is delayed by a week or two or three, buy from one of the thousands of manufacturers that can ship out your new speakers to you within days. Or buy used. |
I'm not so sure about vapor audio? I month to get speakers? |
