Wet Cleaning records makes things worse?

Slaw- Careful DON'T steam your records while in the GD DIY stand they more likely will warp! at least mine did

The new Pro-Ject cleaner seems to be really well thought through.

I’m planning on making a DIY stand, similar to the Gem Dandy to use in my sink as a holder/spinner to rinse lps after I steam them.

I'm glad to hear that even the most affordable record cleaning machines along with their fluids, do a good job at cleaning records. I remember in the old days when people would use a Disc-Washer block/pad along with its horrible cleaning fluid to clean their records. Many would use way to much of the fluid and saturate the record grooves. The pad would take only so much of this fluid off the record. When the stuff dried, it would leave a residue that would make the grooves unbelievably noisy, and that residue was very hard to get out if not down right impossible.

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Having recently started purchasing some old records from my youth I find myself in a very similar predicament. Although I clean all these with a GD and a manual wipe and rinse I still get the accumulation of dust bunnies on the stylus. Since my cartridge uses a fine line stylus I have come of the opinion that no matter what cleaning system one uses deeply embedded fine dust remains in the deepest recesses of the groove.

If you properly and thoroughly clean a record, there won't be any dust remaining in the grooves. I use an ultrasonic cleaner and I only rarely clean my stylus. Even then, there's no visible dust - I just do it as a precaution.

Having recently started purchasing some old records from my youth I find myself in a very similar predicament. Although I clean all these with a GD and a manual wipe and rinse I still get the accumulation of dust bunnies on the stylus. Since my cartridge uses a fine line stylus I have come of the opinion that no matter what cleaning system one uses deeply embedded fine dust remains in the deepest recesses of the groove. After going thru all the hassles of cleaning the stylus after every track I found I have no more issues with dust bunnies on subsequent play. Although I'm sure it' not optimal for the stylus there is not much else I can think of to take care of this issue. This does not happen with my vynil that I've purchased new back in the day and cleaned before every play. So I think not everyone in the day cleaned their records as I did.

After collecting records for over 40 years i have experimented with all type of cleaning solutions and cleaning devices. My previous cleaning machine was a Loricraft (pricey) the most effective record cleaning machine that I have owned until I replaced it with the George Merrill's Hydraulic Cleaning Syst. This thing is the best record cleaner devices I have ever used when combined with a Spin Clean record cleaner. Here's my record cleaning regime. Spray both sides with George's cleaning solution (use it in a well ventilated area) I spin the LP a few times  scrubbing lightly ONLY if the record is filthy let the fluid do its thing (don't let it DRY) and blast it with water as explained in the you tube tutorial. Rinse the record with distiller water in the Spin Clean record cleaner and dry. This method is cheap, fast, and extremely effective. No residues left, no potential cross contamination. works like a charm. Thanks George!

Disclaimer: I'm not in any ways or means related to GEM Dandy products
                   just a thrilled customer
                   No, no previous experience with ultrasonic machines.

I too use the Gem Dandy Hydraulic LP Cleaning System as part of my LP cleaning process. First I clean the record with the Gem Dandy system - using the Gem Dandy cleaning solution and then I wash it with tap water using the Jet Hose. I then put the record on my Pro-Ject VC-S Vacuum Record Cleaner and spray it with distilled water and brush it. Then I vacuum it dry. This procedure really does a great job!!! I have had/used an Okki Nokki, and an ultrasonic cleaning system. The Gem Dandy combined with the Pro-Ject VC-S produces the best results of all of the systems that I have tried. For info on the Gem Dandy system see - http://www.hifigem.com/hydraulic-lp-cleaning-apparatusMKII.html

2nd on the Record Doctor.  Maybe not the last word on record cleaning, but works great for me.  I use both the cleaning fluid that came with the machine and MoFi Super Record Wash (both one-step cleaners).  Some day I will experiment with rinsing (and other solutions), but I will wait until I run out of the stuff I have now.

I've used the Nitty Gritty record cleaner with pretty good results. I eventually sold it because it was manual and replaced it with a Hanss record cleaner, which is the same product but with a different color being sold by Music Hall in the US. I later purchased an Ultrasonic V-8 cleaner sold by David Ratliff, which I thought was pretty revelatory. I think that cleaner cost me about 1400 bucks altogether at that time. Well, last year on a lark, I decided to try the Gem Dandy record cleaning system, which is only 169 bucks and involves the use of faucet water. My purpose was not to use it on new records but rather older records that needed more attention and because of that, I didn't care so much if they would become unplayable due to the treatment. Well, the Gem Dandy blew my mind. Beat the pants out of the Ultrasonic, which I now use only as a final rinse after the Gem Dandy. I'm not even sure that's necessary. The Hanss sits unused. I'd far recommend the Gem Dandy over any of the alternatives being mentioned here. It is that good, and counterintuitively so. I use it on *all* of my records now.

@leemaze If you are willing to invest $199.00, just pick up a Record Doctor wet vacuum machine. You will not see dust on that needle ever again.http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=RDV

sounds like your not doing a good deep clean of the groves. If the record has not been played it can look new but there will be a build up of gunk, mold, etc in the grove that's what your seeing when you play it, its the stylus cleaning the grove not ideal. you need to do a multy step clean, dirty wet- clean wet-  clean rinse then dry. I had some old first pressings that had never been played they took multiple passes in that system to get clean. when you do a simple clean all your doing is loosening up the deep seated gunk. ideally a sonic cleaner is best added in that system.

Is this the product? [url]http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2365478.pdf?_ga=2.251195343.832898279.1529509380-1287413366.152950...[/url]

That’s the material data sheet. I’m not a chemist but the ingredients are used as a surfactant (to break surface tension of water to penetrate grooves), detergent and anti-microbial agent (possibly, not just to kill what’s on the record, but to prevent the fluid from spoiling) as well as anti-static agent.
I don’t think there’s anything ’wrong’ with the stuff, though I haven’t used it.
The issue, to me, from a practical standpoint, is getting it off the record. It is probably gunking your stylus, based on your description of its effects.
I’ve usually found that "cleaning" a record that results in worse sound is due to residue of the cleaning agent, mixed with whatever contaminants were on the record originally, that remain and are not removed effectively. Thus, the preference for vacuum (or ultrasonic) cleaning and rinse. Some folks don’t rinse, but I recommend doing so using at a minimum distilled water. Since I assume you are applying this manually and using no vacuum I would use a clean microfibre cloth and distilled water as a rinse step and probably do a couple rinses without immersing the record or getting the label wet. You can find plenty of discussion on the web about how to hand wipe a record without scratching or adding more static.
Your best bet if these records are valuable (to you) may be to use one of the various commercial record cleaning services- you ship the record(s) to them, they use a variety of record cleaning devices including vacuum and ultrasonic, at a price per record plus shipping costs. Obviously, if you were going to commit to cleaning records regularly, you could investigate various cleaning machines, including low cost vacuum or DIY ultrasonic (or both), but I assume you don’t want to invest deeply in this.

It depends from the cleaning stuff.

Think through your technique.  Think through a distilled water rinse using a lint-free pad or cloth.  But also look at Disk Doctor one-step non-rinse product.