Thanks for the link indeed....
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I highly recommend all the skeptics, conspiracy theorists, citizen scientists, and mystical free thinkers doing their own research listen to the podcast "This Week in Virology". It is hosted by Vincent Racaniello, a Columbia University virologist. His panel typically includes three or four other academic virologists as well as an expert clinician, Daniel Griffin. They regularly discuss and evaluate the quality of new research on SARS-Cov-2, Covid, and its treatment. Of course, if you believe viruses don't exist, never mind. |
Insulting is more evident sign of stupidity than exhibiting the Dunning-Krueger syndrome... You know why ? Any free thinker move the boundary of sheep thinking at the risk to be in error yes but also with a great probability in some case to be right... But being wrong is very different than being stupid... Keep your hat, i will keep my Dunning--Krueger place with politeness with those who are able to speak their mind and CORRECT ME... i dont think it will be you...
«The only idiot i keep near me is myself in the morning mirror»-Groucho Marx 🤓 |
Dunning-Krueger is strong in you @mahgister |
thanks for your answer... your post reveal a good understanding in this matter and certainly better than mine...i am not a scientist.. BUT i can study and think, and you forgot saying what you say, that the evolutive pressure created by a rapidly mutating coronavirus is NOT the same as polio and NOT as smallpox , which are all slow mutating viruses which we can eradicate in one vaccination campaign WiTHOUT booster...There is no valid UNIVERSAL efficient vaccination for the flu nor for a coronavirus for this reason : mutation rates and high rate airborne contamination... Then your objection to vanDen Bossche is void... And remember that we have multidrug protocol cheap treatment that work at less risk than vaccinations for some designed group of the population.. After all, the basic fact of this virus and disease is the way it is focussed in targetting old and immunely compromise people..Not the young population at all...Save if we teach to the population of virus how to mutate to do so by an inappropriate vaccination on a the wrong group on a massive scale... Then mass forced vaccination, without taking the difference between old and young people in consideration, in relation to other treatment more appropriate in some case, is probably the medical error of the century motivated by greed and ignorance.... If vanden Bossche was there ALONE, i will listen to your argument, but the problem is that he is not alone at all...Then i chose the position that seems rational to me and i am not alone...
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I assume you're referring to "Why do Covid-19 mass vaccination campaigns promote dominance of selective immune escape variants?"? This is a *theory* propounded by some, rejected by most IME. He proposes a mechanism for selective pressure, without evidence of such adaptation taking place an a human population. This also presupposes that the "natural" immunological response would not be subject to the same selective pressures, which is unlikely to be true at all. His theory is an absolute fact when dealing with therapeutic agents (such as antibiotics, and we have all seen) but that model does not hold if the "natural" response functionally indistinguishable from the vaccine mediated response. In fact, one and postulate that drastically increase number of passages of the virus itself, through and infected patient, and the amount of time that person is infective, would place greater selective pressures in that more of the viral types resistant to the immune response would be generated and released. Thus the assumed amplification may work the opposite of his theory. The eradication of polio and smallpox due to massive vaccination programs provide data directly controverting his restistance amplification theory. I choose to rely on the empirical data. |
Negating the disease and the virus existence is really foolish and pure ignorance.. Another political rant of simplistic mind..... between this and imposing in a silly move by force mass vaccinations, we dance on a tight rope between 2 complete fools crowds of sheeps.. i feel alone at the bottom of the world... i guess i must phone the only dude at the peak of the world right now ... 😁😁😁😁😊😊😊😊 it is a joke i hate phone ... I own only the most primitive species of phone possible and without sophisticated computer screen in it to keep with me...
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"If you think the virus is real and transmissible ... Do your own research for: has ANY virus EVER been isolated so that a vaccine can be developed" Not to disappoint, but I don't need to research. The answer is YES - three species of human poliovirus were isolated and used for production the Salk inactivated virus vaccine that eradicated Polio from the US, and almost eradicated it world wide. Then of course, the Vaccina virus, same family (Orthopoxviruses) as the Variola virus that caused - past tense note - Smallpox. That vaccine eradicated Smallpox worldwide. I was part of the Acambis smallpox vaccine project for the US government after the 9/11 attack with subsequent smallpox scare. Just to name the most obvious and high profile cases. You do yourself no credibility favors when you pose such ludicrously obvious questions as though there's some apochyphal and malign informational trove known only to some awakened few. As for the rest...well, can't say it more accurately than Nonoise did. BS, on a stick. |
This post quoted above is erroneous if we think about this concept: " The dynamical sequences of mutating viruses evolutive pressure" between different human populations interactions in the course of a pandemic and the necessity to protect the old people and the young people with vaccinations or drugs, each corresponding to their specific immune status...... It is very important to maintain an unvaxx part of the population ,the very young, to act as a protective basin to control the UNILATERAL uprise domination by a swift mutating new kind of variant over the other main strain... It is less simplistic you see than forced massive vaxx simplistic solution in simplistic preaching minds... To learn more: My reference are from Geert Vanden Bossche https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/ He know a thing or 2 about that, if you dare to read his curriculum...And he is not paid by ANY corporations... Then putting the load of culpabilitay on unvaxx people is plain IGNORANCE...It is political propaganda masquerading as science and wisefulness...
But This is right for sure..
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Vaccines are biological agents that elicit an immune response to a specific antigen derived from an infectious disease-causing pathogen. That's it. The agreed definition for nigh on 200 years. Other properties of any specific vaccine are irrelevant with respect to whether it's a vaccine or not. The spike protein can cross into the bloodstream, although most appears to end up in the lymph system. There are Rat studies that show the vaccine produced S1 protein crosses the blood brain barrier, but follow-on studies In Vitro using cultured endothelial human cells showed it did not. So it may, it may not, we can't experiment on a bunch of humans to find out. There is significant data showing that SARS-CoV-2 can cause brain inflammation, and it's been hypothesized that the spike protein may be involved, but I have not seen definitive data on that. Not saying there's none out there. The lipid 'bubble' encapsulating the mRNA is highly unstable - hence the onerous storage requirements - and once liberated, the mRNA is quite unstable as well. So spike protein not phagocytized by lmphocytes triggered by it, is unlikely to have much residence time in the body anyway. My hunch - and it is not based on reviewed data - is that folks that would have a massive response to the vaccine (such as you and other seem to fear) would be those likeliest to die from a COVID infection. Making the vaccine an even better risk. But no drug or vaccine is without some risk, and some side effects. It's a risk/benefit calculation. The selfish consider only themselve in that calc, people that aren't, consider their fellow citizens as well. |
You see before I will believe what scientist is saying about this vaccines, I have to really see some evidence that indeed he or she is right.This last days there is so much deception going on, be carefu who you believe, can’t decide on this because of politics...Decide base on the evidence that’s out there. |
I think my advice to read Karl Friston or think about what is a "sound" will not be listened to... My quizz test is what is the relation between Friston hypothesis of the free energy variational principle and the relation to our understanding of what a sound and hearing are ... This will change the tune here for the best....And will eliminate all simpletons from all sides of the vaxx war... And we will go back to audio.... no takers? If not i quit to read Friston again... I will wait for any questions though....
By the way for me being an audiophile is not about upgrading with a new amplifier but to understand what is a sound what is music and what are their link through acoustic and my own "seeing" of sounds and music... By the way i created a thread about that but it seems nobody is interested about something which is not plain stupid propaganda from two warring sides... |
If you think the virus is real and transmissible ...
Do your own research for: has ANY virus EVER been isolated so that a vaccine can be developed
Next research who developed the PCR test and what does he have to say about it
Now search alternative search engines than Google, Yahoo, Bing for; vax injuries (including athletes), deaths or go to Bitchute and Rumble (then ask why none of the real 411 is available on them)
Finally go to telegram and type in the upper left search bar Official CHANNEL Quantum Truths JCKay, then scroll through and see how many people in countries are marching against their governments oppression and forced vaxes this very day
then ask yourself Why aren't these being reported 24/7 on MSM
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@coltrane1: "Fact: if you take the vaccine you have a chance not to die from covid 19. If you choose not to take the vaccine because of right wing politics, religious beliefs, poor logic, etc, and infect your entire family with covid, you rolled the dice and lost. Decisions.
Anti vaxxer's are a threat to society. Keep it real and speak the truth about it."
Yes, indeed. Whatever happened to acting for the greater good ? ? ?
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At the present times we are at the crossroads of history, any thinking must be oriented toward peace and peaceful solutions and serious studies... Any answers coming from "left" or "right" perspective is UNABLE to show any usefulness... Because the ancient old answers were born in a world where divisions between people and nations could be preserved like they were in the past... This fact exist no more... No country is an island no more... For the first time in history we are all brothers or we will all die... Nothing of that comes from right or left political parties... Nothing of that comes from communism versus capitalism... Change your tagging habit or prepare yourself to die idiot....
To add a "smile"😊😊 to my too serious post i will add a piece of my new discovery about acoustic : we dont know what sound is, nevermind all the scientific research of the last millenia... It is a thrilling discovery for me....Not knowing what sound is...But is it surprizing? no because all cultures has developed his own relation to basic phenomena and our occidental civilization history mutate under our eyes right now...Then even our own understanding of what "sound" is will change...Like ourunderstanding about the "human living body".... Like will change our notion of what is a "human body"... What is "sound" and our idea about it will change... The most important thinker i stumble into this week is Karl Friston... If the word genius apply, it apply for him... Read and think ....it is more easy to understand his point anyway than to dogmatically speak about vaxx or unvaxx politics...but anyway prepare yourself to think, he is supposed to be very deep and difficult... Test your brain and come back to me and explain to me what is your understanding... It will be more useful than speaking propaganda.... |
Another unconscious sheep from the crowd will come to condemn someone who dont thimk the same that he is an assassin irresponsible because he does not take the vaxx? or He is an ignorant fool because he take it ? Come on spill your COMMON stupidity, vaxx or unvaxx, i dont give a dam, i will listen... My point of view is SANE THINKING.....VAX OR UNVAXX.... But in medecine any third party introduced between the free patient and the free doctor is a crime against the sacred link betwee you and your doctor... Vaxx must be used, in the right population at the right time not forced...
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Another appeal, a rant, assimilating someone of the other group, be it a vaxx one or one who dont take the vaxx, never mind, to be a political fanatic waiting for the death of the other party... This post also illustrate fanaticism of someone in sleepwalking reaction to his foes imaginary or real... Why could we not discuss with sane reasson instead of condemning in a dement tirade half of the population that think otherwise? Is the world exist between right and left? Not at all...
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As I’ve stated before, there is a desire among some to see to it that this virus doesn’t go away. These are demented people. They’ve gone from "owning" people with insults to phsyical intimidation to now knowing they’re really hurting and possibly killing others. The fact that they’re killing their own is incidental and of a collaterall nature. For them, it’s all a natural progression but they hide that fact behind all their rhetoric and bluster. They’re enjoying this. Think about that and decide whether you still want to converse with them here and in the real world. As anyone can see, they’re grasping at straws here in this thread and still won’t relent. They see themselves as on a mission. All the best, Nonoise |
I think that people who throw appeal like that to all in social media illustrate a sleepwalking dangerous behaviour appealing to scapegoating and violence...
I am not an anti vxx for sure, but any vaxx must be used in the right window of efficiency with a precise risk calculus.. Especxially new tech one called"vaccination" which is a complete new technology with an old name... Especially unprooven, unverified, new tech vaxx, adopted speedily because the alleged lack of any treatment, which is a blatent lie... this new vaccins must be reserved if we were wise to AT RISK PEOPLE ONLY...Not forced on all people with no recourse if they cause secondary negative effects... This post illustrate the sheep character of people in a crowd and their incapacity to awake their brain to do real study... And it is a science proven fact that vaccinated population can transmit the virus like unvaccinated one then why staiyng so ignorant and appeal to segregation against free people which anyway had their own unknown history and reason to not attend to this MULTIPLE series of successive vaxx world wide experiment? This appeal "anti-vaxx are a threat to society " like anyone who appealed to kill sorcerers in the past or to anyone in a crowd to lynch someone we dont like for sure, this appeal mimic murder cries all allong history...Scapegoating and lynching people of any designed traits is a well known habit by all crowds around the earth... Then.... I will go on silent for the time being....
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"Although, it is agreed upon by experts that have anylized many sealed bottles that this IS NOT a "vaccine" and holds no therapeutic benefits." Really? Please cite some of those "expert" reports. First, you cannont "analyze" an mRNA vaccine to determine it's "not a vaccine". Period. You could sequence the RNA once you extract it from the vehicle matrix, but that would not tell you it immunogenicity/. You would have to perform In Vivo and In Vitro studies to determine whether it shows immunogenicity or not. I'd be more than happy to look at any of such studies you'd care to provide. Had you read my last post you would know that it is fully recognized (by the fact permeable population) that vaccines are not therapeutic agents.They are not claimed as such, that is why they are not classed as drugs. This is not a semantic quibble, it determines the entire body of applicale laws, it determines the type and duration of tox, pre-clinical, and clinical data required to demonstrate safety and efficacy. It's a totally different regulatory framework that applies. Now I have seen the ignorant claim that it can't be a vaccine because there's no virus in it. That's simply stupid. IF there were ANY detectable viral particles in the mRNA vaccines they would be considered as contaminants, and the product would be discarded as adulterated. Clearly your mind is made up, and nothing that doesn't agree with what you want to believe has relevance to you. Blinders are a poor way to explore the world, IMO, but its your choice. Hopefully you neither get COVID, nor spread it to others. Good luck all, and Happy Holidays! Turkey day is almost upon us. |
Fact: if you take the vaccine you have a chance not to die from covid 19. If you choose not to take the vaccine because of right wing politics, religious beliefs, poor logic, etc, and infect your entire family with covid, you rolled the dice and lost. Decisions.
Anti vaxxer's are a threat to society. Keep it real and speak the truth about it. |
"weakening of God given perfect natural immune system" Well that's a load off my mind! Here I have been laboring under the assumption that humans have been dying from pathogens since time immemorial. Had only those middle-ages millions in Europe known this when Yrsinnia pestis came a'knocking I reckon they'd all still be alive! Learn somethin new every day. |
@jayctoy You seem to have that backwards typically those who get vaccinated are also more likely to wear masks, in public indoor settings at least. |
"Any vaccine used in the past, correct me if I'm wrong (🙄) required one shot." As pointed out previously, you are indeed wrong. Vaccines as common as Chickenpox (Varicella) are multi-dose, as are Hepatitus A and B, and many require annual boosters. Once again, if you had an understanding of what vaccines are, and what they do, you would understand why that is perfectly logical. People talk about vaccines "wearing out" or "stopping working" - but that is profoundly inaccurate. Vaccines are totally transitory in the body - they are destroyed by the body in short order, by the very same immune respose they provoke (except for mRNA vaccines which use the natural iintra-cellular mRNA post-use elimination mechanisms, the proteins produced are removed by the immune response), and after that its totally up to your natural immune system to "remember" the pattern for antibodies needed if that infection returns. Vaccines do not *create* any immunity, they trigger your own body to create its own immunity by *simulating* an infection with the particular pathogen. Get it? This is why vaccines are NOT drugs. They do not have any intrinsic therapeutic effect. They trigger your body to defend itself. They bear absolutely zero functional relationship to antibiotics or antivirals that do, on their own, destory infective agents. So please, if you do nothing else, learn the difference as it's key to understanding vaccines. And if you do get COVID, you can then refrain from asking for the vaccine once you hit the hospital, and if you do so anyway, and they laugh, you'll understand why. "First it was the Corona. Then it changed to Covid. All the while referred to as a Virus. Then it morphed into Delta, but still also Covid. Now it is sometimes referred to as the Disease." Seriously, why you maintain such willful ignorance? This is akin to saying "well first it was AIDs then it was 'the gay plague', and then it was HIV, all while being called a virus". Well DUH! They all refer to the same infection and infective agent, one just being a pejorative. Corona is a family of viruses (some of which are responsible for many common colds, and has been know for many decades), COVID is simply COronaVIrusDisease, the "-19" is simply an identifier of the year, 2019 it was characterized. You also hear it called SARS-COV-2, which is merely a generic term for the second SevereAcuteRespiratorySyndrome identified as caused by a Corona virus. All the same virus, all the same disease. None of this is hidden, none of it takes more than 2 minutes on Google if you have any curiousity. This is not hard. Now Delta, ah yes, that's a good one. Here's where folks like you can step up and take FULL credit for the folks infected with the Delta (and subsequent) variant of COVID-19. Unlike bacteria, or parasites (like the Plasmodium that causes malaria for e.g.), viruses cannot do anything at all unless they can infect a host. They do not possess any "cellular machinery" to perform any metabolic processes. The ONLY WAY viruses can reproduce, and thus mutate, is to infect a host, let's say oh, gee, an unvaccinated human, and for subtle changes to be made to some of the viruses due to transcription errors during replication of the viral RNA (or DNA depending on the virus). That's it. The more infections, the higher the reproduction rate and the higher the number of viral mutations. Even with the vast majority of those mutations being detrimental to the virus, out of trillions and trillions of viral genetic material transcriptions, some of those are going to cause a small positive change (from the virus's point of view) in the virus allowing it to become more deadly, or to spread or infect more easily, or to remain viable outside of a host longer, or some combination of those and similar traits. Then even more people die, and at some point, it *can* mutate to the point where antibodies made in response to vaccines based on the wild type virus, no longer recognize the new one. And Death reigns once more. So yes, Virginia, you really can endanger the lives of many, many others by sheltering in willful ignorance, refusing to be vaccinated, and thus volunteering to be host for the next viral mutation orgy. It's not just your life, your liberty, you're playing with here. So spin the wheel and see if you win a chance to become the next Typhoid Mary!!!
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Scenerio: Parent walking by small child's room hearing them talking. "Who are you talking to"? "My (invisible) friend". "There's no one there stop lying". Flash forward. That parent is now in bed dying (of old age, sharp mind) The adult child is now the care giver, hear's parent talking. "Are you talking to me"? "No, so and so (other parent) is here coming to get me". Walks out of the room shaking their head "Their mind is gone" 🙄 |
I have solution to all this arguing. Let's outlaw vaccine research and vaccines, get rid of public health altogether. The masses should simply accept idea of depopulation as way to solve many of the issues facing us on an earth. Let Darwinism rule as only the strongest humans and nations will survive future viruses that may be dispersed by adversaries. Or maybe we can pray it away, God will certainly take care of his favorites.
I don't mean this in jest, this may in fact be the way forward as the masses become more innured to mass death. Wars have long been acceptable means to solve arguments, mass casulties simply the cost of winning, why not wars fought by introducing viruses the masses don't have access to or refuse to take. Funny that some of those blaming China for the virus may be the same people refusing to take vaccine, yep. China is winning. |
bikerbw, I don't blame you for not reading every word of all five pages. Although, I previously stated that I've never so much at looked at Facebook once, no thanks. I made that statement because of being accused of recieving my info hence opinion from there. So here I go again. It is funny that those on either side are so fully sure they are correct. Obviously some are fully wrong. Research both sides well. Go with the one that make's sense. Good luck. |
isochronism, very sorry if you can't keep up current events and progress, but that's on you. The ACA was never officially called Obamacare - that was a term that was meant to be derogatory but ended up to be an alternate reference by both supporters and nonsupporters. Whatever you call it, it is very popular in the US and you benefit from it yourself if you are a citizen, whether you realize it or not. And, as no surprise to most people, viruses mutate and medical information/treatment protocols change and become more refined as more data is available. So tired of the "I just don't know what to think" crowd who still want to pull out the mask recommendations from 2 years ago, or want to "agree to disagree" about undeniable truths and facts. Keep up, do your research from official sources (and so you know, Facebook is not an official source) and stop being so lazy. Now, back to debating the merits of cable risers and audiophile fuses. |
Some childhood vaccinations require one shot to help the body build a defense. Other vaccinations have to be repeated so the body can maintain a defense (cholera, typhoid, yellow fever, rabies, etc.). My job/career requires me to carry the infamous yellow International Certificate of Vaccination issued by the WHO. I have received all these vaccines multiple times over the years. I have to admit the rabies vaccine (2 shots) was the worst. That one really hurt. Covid is just another vaccine on the yellow card to me. |
I'm with andysf on this one. I wished Ron a speedy recovery for him and his family and also suggested that he seek out the medical professionals who have years of education and experience in dealing with infectious diseases for their advice. I am also assuming that he and his eligible family members did not get the vaccines because that would've been the second thing out of his mouth, right after "We've been sick". Giving so much information about the status of himself and his family but conspicuously leaving out any mention of vaccinations is a glaring omission that I'm sure no one missed. His conscious decision to put his family in unnecessary jeopardy with all of the evidence staring him in the face every day proving that vaccines are safe, effective and offer the best chance of keeping you/your family/those around you alive and out of the ICU makes me less likely to want to take any advice from him on lesser matters, like audio. |
.......I must have missed something here while I was asleep. I thought this thread was for people who like music and stereo equipment. '' I must be Bugs Bunny taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque ''......had to spell check that one ! I am still looking for an answer on how good the Berkeley Alpha DAC Reference 3 is !!! I do wish Ron the best as this does stink and people are dying because of it. No matter which side of the fence you are on as that is our own choice ......but just be aware that if you do or don't get Jabbed, at least respect your choice as it does have consequences to others safety and health. |