At the risk of annoying a bunch of people ... Hi Richard, very true, maybe we should take this offline, but before that, I would like to put in one last point: It would be very interesting to place a DTI on the platter surface of a mag bearing TT and then apply a small vertical force on the platter. I suspect that the indicator will show vertical movement and possibly bounce. You may not need a DTI at all! Not sure about their current models, but when a famous TT manufacturer first introduced their magnetic bearing TT, the agent proudly showed me how the platter could go up and down when vertical force was applied. If I remember correctly, the travel was close to, if not more than, 1/8 of an inch! And yes, it bounced a bit! |
Harold (nitb)
Thanks.
Just know that you listened to a lot of vinyl. I was running after kids.
But I saved a lot of vinyl, many early pressings of great artists. I do have a lot to look forward to. |
Thekong.
At the risk of annoying a bunch of people ... I cannot see how a pure magnetic suspended main bearing can provide the necessary loop rigidity. I doubt that it is self compensating like say a captive air bearing, so it is prone to vertical movement. That induced by platter balance and drive issues and yes, stylus acceleration. My experiments with thrust pads has shown that harder always seems to be better. Putting something soft there has a deleterious effect. Mag force follows the inverse square law so it could be argued that it is stable under a varying load. This I doubt.
Happy to be proved wrong.
Sure a mag bearing is quiet but IMO it would compromise one of the fundamental design criteria of a TT. Absolute dynamic dimensional stability between platter surface and arm. It would be very interesting to place a DTI on the platter surface of a mag bearing TT and then apply a small vertical force on the platter. I suspect that the indicator will show vertical movement and possibly bounce.
The LO7D has a quite thin metal disc under its thrust pad. It is inevitable that with the weight of the platter it would deflect microscopically, but there is an adjustable bolt that contacts with the centre of this disc and the chassis. The bolt improves dynamic loop rigidity. If you own one, try loosening it to hear the negative effect of a tiny reduction of loop rigidity. (do this at your own risk!)
It could also be argued that the noise a mechanical bearing makes is evidence of movement. True, but correctly designed and polished they produce extremely low subjective noise levels.
I say all this from a theoretical perspective having not heard a mag bearing TT in suitable conditions. I am happy to defer to the superior knowledge of a mag bearing designer. Feel free to ignore everything I have just said, its just a bit of fun. |
Just for clarity, the LO7D uses the rotor magnets to remove 'some' of the vertical load on the thrust bearing (steel ball and hard plastic). It is not actually suspended in that there is mechanical contact. Hi Richard, Lewm, As I understand, there are (at least) 2 ways to implement a magnetically suspended bearing, one is a true suspension with no mechanical contact in the vertical axis, another is partial suspension, which only reduce the vertical load on the bearing (as in the L07D, and a couple other belt drive TTs). I always thought the true suspension method had a problem as the platter could go up and down, albeit only very slightly. To my way of thinking, since the platter can never be 100% balanced, there got to be some wobbling (again, microscopically) if there is no mechanical contact in the vertical axis, and that just cannot be a good thing. Would be interested on your thought on the issue! Thanks! |
The motor itself, of course, is a copy of the Dual coreless motor that preceded it. I think we've discussed this before. You or someone else offered that Kenwood had to change the design of the motor stators so as to avoid violation of the Dual patent, in their last several tt's. But sorry. This is OT, as it does not relate to the Transfi, another apparently excellent tt. |
Lew.
I to was alarmed with an apparently locked bearing when I received a LO7D to upgrade.
There are small plastic targets on the motor coil side of the PCB. These prevent the rotor from contacting the coils when no platter is installed.
The idea is so outside the box and likely predates the current crop of magnetic de-loading bearings.
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Yes, I was aware of the fact that the magnetic suspension serves to take some of the load off the bearing, but there is still some load. I was not aware of the mechanism, however. Thanks.
When I first got my L07D, before I had installed the platter, I was concerned that the bearing was "frozen", because the spindle could not be rotated by hand. I subsequently learned that the magnets push the spindle assembly full up against its stops, with no platter. The weight of the platter then forces the spindle/bearing assembly to "relax". |
Lew.
Just for clarity, the LO7D uses the rotor magnets to remove 'some' of the vertical load on the thrust bearing (steel ball and hard plastic). It is not actually suspended in that there is mechanical contact. That said it is a really interesting approach where the rotor magnets have a dual purpose. Some very innovative thinking went into its design.
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Dear Spirit, the bits about torque and feedback and all that stuff in your most recent long post are not logical. A high torque motor does not obviate the need for feedback. In fact, it may increase the need for feedback, because the motor is "in control" of the platter, moreso than in a low-torque/high-mass platter design, and there may need to be a mechanism to signal the motor that the platter is spinning too fast or too slow. Conversely, low torque per se does not increase the need for feedback. The belt-drive tt's that use low torque motors typically coupled with a high mass platter can get away with no servo on the premise that the inertial mass of the platter is "in control" of maintaining constant speed. No tt I know of has a higher torque motor than does the Technics SP10 Mk3, yet it certainly uses stringent feedback and a servo to maintain exact speed. It also has the heaviest platter of any DD tt. On the other hand, the L07D has a lower torque motor (but maybe not "low torque", if we were to define that term) and uses a rather "loose" servo feedback mechanism. Also, keep in mind that the inherent issues in DD, belt-drive, and rim-drive applications are different. Each tt is designed from the ground up by an engineer or a group of engineers (in the good old days) to do the job of spinning an LP. It is well enough to say that you are pleased with what you've got.
Harold, The L07D has a very "effortless" sound. Quiet and smooth, like butter. It gets there with a platter that is relatively high mass for a DD (can't recall the weight but between 12 and 20 lbs with optional peripheral ring), but is not high mass compared to the SP10 Mk3 (21 lbs), a coreless motor, a magnetically suspended bearing (in the vertical), and an incredibly conceived and executed plinth and tonearm mount which rigidly links the tonearm pivot to the bearing assembly using a large girder of stainless steel or alu to do so. Everything was attended to in its design in the sense that it is a complete unit right out to and including the specially designed headshell, unlike almost all other DD tt's that really consist of a motor/chassis which the end-user must mate with a plinth and tonearm of his further choice, with no particular attention paid to linkage. In fact, that latter unified design aspect is probably also of functional benefit in the Salvation/Terminator combo. The two were designed to go together. |
Dentdog and Tms0425, can you please post your detailed views on the Salvation/Terminator soon please.
I started this thread to highlight what I believe to be a groundbreaking couple of products at a totally affordable real world price, and to encourage analog guys to purchase them.
And I've been successful, but w/only my comments I don't want to give the impression I'm in any way trying to awkwardly promote them, or have an underlying agenda. A couple of recent comments suggest this.
I don't want to be a voice in the wilderness. I mean, what is the point of this forum, if it's not to share views and user opinions? |
Dentdog, I started with a Thorens (TD 321) 26 years ago and am now running a Salvation like TT/Terminator combo. My journey to my analog nirvana took 26+ years after having spent a hell of a lot money along the way, yours took, I guess just a moment, LOL.
Damn well done ! You just saved a fortune ;) |
Tms0425 recommended.
Was thinking Thorens TD125 refurbished and he said it would be OK but I could just skip all the upgrades and go straight to a Trans-Fi. So I did.
Bear in mind this is my first music system in thirty years, can't compare other audiophile equipment.As Fat Bastard in Austin Powers said,"Everyone likes their own Brand".
Want to say to all the Agoners, the info brought to light through the discussions can be a great source for educating the decisions that go into a purchase. For all the costs, if one purchases wisely they can get their money's worth. |
Harold, you're not wrong. A total no brainer. The SQ well surpasses the cost.
Dentdog, was your purchase an end result of this thread, or would you have gone ahead anyhow? |
Spirit-thanks
Tom- thanks
The room prep is taking forever. Fortunately GIK and Jim Smith are nearby.
Regardless of the different takes on turntables, the T-Sal combo is a pretty good entry level tt. JK-it's likely to be the only one I ever purchase. For Vic to put together such a beautiful unit from scratch reveals no small bit of genius on his part.
The Zesto Leto and a pair of restored Mcintosh MC 60s will do the trick for me along with the BAT VK P10 SE.
Very nice thing about the Def4s is the efficiency. The MC 60s have some of the best transformers ever made, or so I gather. Doug at the Tube Store said the 60s were the most forward tube amps ever made by Mac.
So it's all tube with power to spare.
I gave it all a trial run with an NAD M55 CD player and holy mackerel, Kingfish!
Ready to get it together and burn it in all at once. |
Dentdog, You just purchased the very best bargain in Modern Analog. Congrats. |
Hey Dentdog. Let me congratulate you, and I really do hope you enjoy it. I think you're in for an interesting experience. I believe you also own Zu Def 4 spkrs like me? You're OBVIOUSLY a man of excellent taste! |
Hiho, I've taken some time out as you asked to precisely describe what I believe makes the Salvation/Terminator so special. But so far, no response. I'm still waiting... |
I recently purchased a Salvation-Terminator combo per suggestion of one of the posters in this thread. Cost is $4675 with shipping and insurance. |
Hiho, I'll do my best. Linear tracking I'm sure we all agree is the theoretical best tech for tonearms mimicking the way the grooves are cut. But it's often too much of a tech challenge to bring about successfully. Well, I can say Vic has managed it in a package that is neater and less prone to operational issues than say what I've heard from the Kuzma Airline, and which at a real world price really gives an advantage over the many pivoted 9" and 12" arms I've heard. It seems to be tonally neutral and transparent. Now, this could mean a sound that is precise but bleached, but nothing could be further from the truth. It has a real start-stop quality like music in real life, but fantastic tone and texture, and this combination of speed and tonal colour is really addictive, and I for one won't be able to go back to a pivoted arm. This is all I believe to correct groove tracing, a short arm wand which is much less likely to be prone to vibrations, and a freedom from vibrations which transmits less colourations. Let me tell you, I so am unaware of tracking errors, that as I came to the lead out grooves of the first lps I listened to, the lack of side-end distortions meant I was really unaware the lp side was coming to an end.
So we have a tonally neutral, but full sound, with speed and transparency, and the elimination of so many analog like tracking distortions with no reduction in the analog "vibe", makes it pretty unique. IMHO.
So, onto the Salvation tt. Vic has spent many a long month finalising his motor to maximise torque, but maintain speed stability, and after many false dawns he found the solution, which is different in execution from say the superficially similar TT Weights tt's. I'm not privy to what these are, but I believe it's obviating the need for an O-ring, keeping the drive wheel small, and having the highest torque motor possible. Additionally, he has dispensed with a speed measuring feedback system like the Grand Prix Monaco tt (which samples the speed 1600 x/sec), preferring a totally analog system where the speed is set w/high torque, and is not sampled and varied accordingly. I believe many of the other dd alternatives have a low torque motor, with a feedback loop, to continually adjust speed. Vic I believe sets the speed at a high torque, and this does a better job at dealing with speed variations caused by stylus drag etc. The end result of this is a highly energetic sound, with very little speed drift, and hence a clarity across the frequency band, transparency resulting from microdynamics which are fully expressed due to maximised speed stability, defeating stylus drag variations, with no "jitter" introduced by digital speed measuring/hunting/adjusting microsecond to microsecond, and synergy with an excellent tracking arm. |
Spiritofmusic, I am not skeptical of the product's quality or your enthusiasm. I'm glad that you found something you like. But those familiar with me knows that I am weary of pornographic sonic descriptions, hence I no longer read audio review in its entirety. I know I am a minority here as audio is not about purchasing decision; it's about educating myself about the hobby which is entertainment in itself. Once I get pass the positive tone, I just want to know why and how or what you hear correlates with the product's features. What component or feature is responsible for a certain quality in the sound. For example, the lack of metal to metal contact vertically may contribute to blacker background or the incorporation of a better motor contributes a smoother rotation and smoother texture in the sound, etc.... I don't mean it to be so technical but just something for me to bite on instead of the gushing of a fanboy. Even an educated guess would still be more inducive for discussion. There are hundreds of posts already so I might have missed something of that nature and if so, I apologize. I was one of the earliest lurkers on Trans-Fi's site before he made it into a commercial product, especially his pages of Lenco mods that were entertaining and informative to read. And I'm happy that he found success and "worshiper" like you to reward his hard work.
You know what, just don't mind this curmudgeon and carry on. You're doing just fine. :)
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I for one would not hold Spirit to the letter of his "15X" statement, just to its "spirit". This is coming from a cynic who does not believe there is much to be gained by spending any more than $30K on a turntable, and I would never spend even that much. Above approximate that price point, lets say up to $40,000, you are paying for bells, whistles, chrome plating, acrylic doodads, and beautiful hardwood. |
Hiho - come back! I realise I may have been gushing like a lovesick girl. What would you like to know specifically, that may make you temper your skepticism of me and these products? I''ll kick off by saying that getting a fuctioning direct rim drive tt w/magnetic bearing, and air bearing linear tracking arm, at a real world level is a triumph. That it sounds accurate and transparent, but also toneful and textured is a great bonus. And the aesthetics and reliability for a non mass-produced product is a bonus.
Help me out, what are your qs/concerns? |
4orreal, point duly taken - no more price comparisons. Just that the Salvation/Terminator really is at the bottom end of pricing in the analog world, and the rig gives me things I haven't heard elswewhere. But point taken, I haven't listened side by side w/other uber rigs. Then again, it's pretty difficult to do any top level analog home comparisons anymore. Just got lucky to reach my measure of analog audio nirvana at a practical level. |
Peter, I'm glad we've calmed the waters on this one. Tbh, I should not have declared so forcibly the Salvation/Terminator "supremacy", and esp. based on price.
I'm a pretty picky customer, and have turned down way more things I've heard than I've gone ahead with, so for me to so find analog peace with this rig more than anything gives me peace of mind that I'm done on this particular merry-go-'round.
As I've tried to reiterate, I would have had a whole load of enjoyment had I plumped for the SME 20/12, TW Acustic AC3/Graham or Grand Prix Monaco/Triplanar.
Re getting to listen to one, in the US I guess only if you come across an owner. Vic the designer builds strictly to order, and it was my good fortune that I only live 90 miles from him to enable my visit to his studio. |
Spirit, thanks for your comments and I appreciate your candor. I've found it very difficult to ascribe sonic characteristics to components in the context of different systems.
In the US, the SME 20/12 is about $28K and the Kodo/Schroeder perhaps $35K, much less than the prices you quote. I'd be very curious to compare the much less costly, especially in England, SME 20/3 for about $15K and the Kodo/Schroeder table/arms directly to the Salvation in the same system. Perhaps also one of the Brinkmanns or Basis table/arm combinations for less than $15K.
I've heard perhaps 35 turntable/arm systems at various shows, dealerships and friends' systems costing between $5-50K and in my experience, I can not make any declarative statements about any of their performances separate from other components in those unfamiliar systems, let alone comparisons to other specific turntables. It is a very difficult exercise.
I'm only certain about the three turntables that I've had in my own system and their relative performance to each other.
I hope to perhaps hear the Salvation one day, but I've never even seen one. Your enthusiastic reports do help to inform others about its potential in other contexts. |
Gentlemen, I hope my maths aren't incorrect. The Salvation/Terminator is a complete tt/arm combination. It costs £2400 ($5k-$6k w/carriage/US taxes etc). I've heard the Grand Prix Monaco/Triplanar at £32k, SME 20/12 at £30k, TW Acustic AC3/Graham at £20k+. The Kodo Beat dd tt/Schroeder lt cones out at £35k. So these 10x-15X the entry ticket of Salvation/Terminator. The first 3 I've heard, and it would have cleared out my cash reserves, but was ready to cough up.
It's not my place to say my tt/arm is best, sorry if I was too presumptious, and obv I may not have heard each in most ideal circumstances, or even in my own system. But the Salvation/Terminator gave me things I didn't experience at the other dems. |
Dear Lewn, I didn´t know that the L-07D has a hybrid bearing, like Clearaudio´s ? Fine. Very interesting. No wonder Dave the Messenger prefers his L-07D over his heavily modded TNT. The L-07D must sound fantastic. Please tell more. |
I agree with Peter. People should be able to proof/defend what they say on this forum. I love reading posts from Spirit, and I also wondered which $75,000.00 TT he compared the Salvation to. I honestly think he made that statement without directly hearing the 75k TT and the Salvation side by side in his rig. I also wondered why he did not mention that 75k TT when Peter enquired, so that was a wild guess on his part.
I however, like Spirit and enjoy his posting. My only advise, please be conservative and diplomatic in your postings. |
03-07-14: Spiritofmusic: "...... I worship great analog, and truly worship the Salvation/Terminator." Your last post just proved my point. It's your thread so you have every right to say what you want. I'm just a passerby so I will keep on passing by. _______ |
Spirit wrote on 3/6/14: And I still contend one would have to spend 15x the entry ticket, at least, to surpass it's performance.
I wrote this in response on 3/6/14: Spirit, have you ever heard a turntable/arm/cartridge combination that surpasses the performance of what you own, at 15X or at any amount?
It was my intention to learn the context of Spirit's statement. If it costs 15X, or $75,000+, to get better performance than his upgraded Salvation, then it would follow that his Salvation is indeed a great, even incredible bargain. I've never heard the Salvation so I'm just curious what he thinks sounds better so I have a reference for his contention.
There is no question that the value issue changes as one considers more expensive gear. I would just like to know if and what $75K turntable Spirit has had in his system for such a comparison and to be able to make such a declarative statement.
Simple as that with no offense intended. Just a question with no hidden agenda. Still friends. |
I looked at the illustration. It is not accurate. The rim drive puts a side load on the platter. The platter bearing must react to that side load. Therefore there must be contact to the spindle. The magnetic bearing is supporting only the weight of the platter or the thrust load. The magnetic bearing replaces the thrust ball. The magnetic bearing supports the vertical load. The spindle must still support the horizontal load. That is the load generated by the rubber o-ring which is mounted on the motor spindle pushing against the side of the platter. Curious why they left that out of the illustration. That is an o-ring on the motor spindle I am assuming. Btw- if that is an o-ring on the motor spindle, is it glued to the spindle? Otherwise wouldn't it slip? |
For that amount of money, how do you get to hear this tt before you buy? |
Dear Redglobe, You took the words right out of my mouth.
This is Spirit´s thread, let´s respect his opinions as a hobbyist. I think he is a very honest analog lover and it´s his right to praise his rig. I personally have run a Terminator for years now but don´t have experienced a Salvation TT, just it´s motor. With my humble deck it´s a keeper. |
Hiho, this hobby produces more than it's fair share of worshippers: plenty worship Magico spkrs, SOTA engineering and SOTA pricing.
The Linn Sondek LP12 is maybe the best example, decades of true acolyte like fervour. To those who love it, totally justified. Me? I prefer a different approach.
All I know with Vic's tt/arm is that it's a Hell of an achievment: against the engineering grain, he's produced an excellently functioning direct rim drive tt and air bearing linear tracking arm. I'm not saying it's the best by any means. Just that I've heard uber decks, and those incorporating Vic's chosen tech approach, and it's up there.
And at £2400/$5k-$6k, it slays the competition at it's price.
So how many pretenders can you say show innovative tech, with excellent materials, and a totally competitive price? This would mean nothing if it's sound missed the mark, but it's SQ is right up there, a direct result of reducing timing and tracking issues, reducing noise floor, allowing full analog detail, bloom, air, tone and texture to emerge.
I worship great analog, and truly worship the Salvation/Terminator. |
Salvation update from Trans-Fi website illustrates the magnetic bearing modification to the stock bearing. It does not have magnetic field on the horizontal plane, purely vertical. The female and male bearings are separated horizontal by oil. Vertically, they are separated by a thin 1mm layer of magnetic field. Salvation Update of Magnetic BearingIllustration of Magnetic Bearing Concept_______ |
Spirit, Do you mean to say that the Salvation with all the upgrades PLUS the Terminator are sold for a total of $5k to $6K? That truly does sound like a bargain. Also, Harold or Spirit, you now make it sound as though the magnetic field DOES operate in the horizontal (lateral) plane, as well as in the vertical. What's the story? That would be truly novel. Even the Verdier magnetic bearing works by metal to metal contact in the lateral plane.
Incidentally, the L07D has a partially magnetic levitation in the horizontal. |
03-06-14: Lewm: "I am not here to knock the Salvation but worshiping it is another matter." I notice there are worshipers of two brands, Trans-Fi and Artisan Fidelity, on here who keep gushing on and on about these products without anything substantial to say. The sound of one hand clapping can be deafening. All I can say is that, okay, I get it. Moving on... _______ |
Spirit, speak your mind. You do not owe anyone here an apology for expressing your opinion on audio equipment.
For those in the market for a turntable, you provide an unequivocal assessment of the Salvation TT. I wish I had known about this before I began my expensive journey.
Vic has been around on the DIY sites for a while and is well regarded. All of his principles of design and develop are well documented. People can find more clearly articulated explanations on his site. |
Peter, I'm sorry if my responses are a little too gushing. It is NOT my aim to offend any who've spent substantially on their rig. I'll phrase my comments more diplomatically in future. Just to say that I was ready to drop a lot of cash on the tt/arm combinations I mentioned, but haven't regretted going down my particular path. I do NOT want to say uber rigs are inferior, just that Vic's tech at an attractive price point was/is a hell of a proposition. But I would be proud to own your rig or many of the others on these pages. Are we still on good terms?
Lewm, price of Salvation w/mods and Terminator arm £2400, equiv to $5k-$6k w/carriage, US taxes etc. |
Dear Lewn, You already have 2 truly exceptional & legendary DD TTs. I personally am VERY interested in hearing what would you say about the Salvation direct rim drive TT compered to those classics ;-)
The contact between the rim drive and the platter truly is critical. Actually so critical like a line drawn on water (sorry my clumsy expression). I can sure you that the Salvation motor (an implementation for my TT) that I´m currently running works just fine, it does not add noise when precisely adjusted. Now with the maglev bearing (that I´m also using at the moment) the noise level is even more reduced. Any mechanical bearing is noisy, in some extent. I think the Salvation really minimize both noises.
I just can´t stop thinking that the Salvation TT, and especially with the Terminator airbearing TA is truly the greatest bargain in modern TT technology, for any price IMHO. |
What is the cost of the Salvation with all these upgrades? 15X that amount is probably some considerable stack of greenbacks, like must be well over $30K, maybe $50K or more. I've never heard any turntable at that price point, let alone in my own system where I could judge it.
I am not here to knock the Salvation but worshiping it is another matter. For rim drive, I would imagine that the contact between the drive wheel and the platter is potentially a far greater source of noise than is any really well designed bearing, or at least it would be similarly problematic. That said, I see that the Salvation is well designed to minimize both. |
Dear Lewn, Very good ! Let´s think that more closely... The platter actually contacts the plinth thru the spindle in any turntable. There is a way to transport mechanical energy from the plinth thru the spindle thru to the platter thru to the Salvation motor and visa versa. Now with the maglev the chain is practically broaken, in some extent anyway. This affects the sound significantly, eventually so much that this mod takes the already excellent sound quality of Salvation to a higher level. Vic says the magnetic field between the rings is very solid & strong and there is absolutely no wobbling. The sound is very convincing both in micro & macro dynamics. Guided by Vic himself yesterday I managed to improve the magnetic/nylon pushings spindle implementation with my TT. Result is truly astonishing. My future will float in a magnetic field, quite literally ;-)
Sorry my clumsy review, I´m not an expert. Greater minds than mine will explain the phenomenon closely... |
Spirit, have you ever heard a turntable/arm/cartridge combination that surpasses the performance of what you own, at 15X or at any amount? |
Al I know gentlemen, is that the magnetic bearing significantly boosts the performance of the standard Salvation to new levels. Differentiation of complex bass lines, with greater delineation of detail in the mids and high frequencies, is making analog more muscular and delicate at the same time. Quite a feat. And I still contend one would have to spend 15x the entry ticket, at least, to surpass it's performance. |
The magnetic bearing is a thrust bearing. That's all it can be. A lateral bearing is required to react against the rim drive motor. I'm sure the magnetic thrust bearing eliminated some amount of bearing noise. A magnetic bearing may be a cheaper alternative to a high quality contact bearing with comparable noise characteristics. |
Dear Harold, Were you quoting the Salvation literature? If so, don't you think they misspoke? The platter never contacts the plinth in any turntable ever made. So I assume he just meant to say that there is no contact between bearing surfaces, but this can only easily be achieved in the vertical plane. That's been done before by many other manufacturers, to good effect. But it is quite another matter to use magnets to prevent contact between bearing surfaces in the lateral (horizontal) plane. If Salvation now does that, my hat is off to them. But I doubt it. That would require some MAJOR amounts of Gauss and it cannot be wobbly. This is not meant to disrespect Salvation, only to keep the facts straight. |
There´s barely any contact left. "You will notice with the magnets, there is effectively no point of contact now between the platter & plinth."
Please read the Salvation Updates.
"The sonic benefits are enormous". I surely believe him as I´m experimenting maglev with my bearing as well and getting excellent results. |
Dear Sal, I should hope there was NEVER any contact between "platter and plinth". You must mean "platter and bearing", as in the platter is magnetically suspended. But that only takes care of contact in the vertical plane. In the horizontal plane it is likely that the platter contacts the bearing physically. |
Another happy member of the Salvation magnetic bearing fan club. I keep thinking it can't get better and it does. I agree with Spirit in that the magnetic bearing added texture to the bass. I also feel it added some additional space to the sound stage and air around the performers in other words a better sense of the recording space. |
Tm, get on with it! LOL! The sound is just sublime. With my RWA BL batt powered Soundsmith Straingauge cart, the new magnetic bearing modded Salvation, and most recent Tomahawk wand update to the Terminator arm, really puts this analog rig up there.
I've heard the Grand Prix Monaco tt/Triplanar arm, SME 20/12, TW Acustic RAVEN AC3/Graham, all at 15X the price of Vic's rig, and they all fall short. IMHO.
The greatest bang for buck in analog, and prob high end audio as a whole. |
