The Palladian-A step beyond


The new cartridge from Acoustical Systems may finally be the LOMC to fully realise the theoretical advantages of the genus.
And convince those long-suffering audiophiles to whom the 'modern' MC presentation has been anathema to 'live sound'....that the realism of vintage LOMCs like the SPUs and FR-7 series has finally been recaptured 👀
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Dear Nikola.
I feel my time remaining on this thread is short, as I am starting to feel the penetration of internet laser beam stares through my teflon armor from the Palladian/Cohen lovers. So I will be brief in reply to your last post.

Firstly however - I think you should send out a search party for Raul. he seemed to have gone missing.

So fess up - how many virgins did you have to send Dertonarm for the screws. Are you his favorite or is Bluewolf and Folkfreak also receiving them?

So I am searching for this ''tension wrench''


Keep looking in your bag. Its probably hidden in the bottom, maybe under one of the flaps.

Every real audiophile owns a "tension wrench"  

Живели

Dear Chris, I am checking those virgins before posting to Dertonarm.

So I am sorry but I also need to be brief. No idea about Bluewolf and

Folkfreak but, as far as I know, Thuchan and Syntax are his

favorites. However I will get those screws for free while they need to

pay (friend price) for them.

Ha, no free 💰 screws for me 😺 (or will that comment get me censored) -- and I've not even had a response from the distributor yet as to how I can buy them! But maybe the New Year will bring me gifts 😏

Dear folkfreak, The New Year can bring you the (screws)  gift

at the end of January or begin February. The reason is that all

are sold out while the next batch will be produced end January.

In theory we both can get those ''gifts'' at the same time .

Nandric,
The world is full of promises 😢
You may be a serious addressee for the Titanium screws. Others were offending my offer and asked succesfully for deleting my post.
I am a bit puzzled now but happy that you finally have succeeded in getting some for free.
Was thinking about sending the last Cohen LP to Ct0517 as it is really something different than any digital format in this case. But as I am learning I thought it could lead to a further deletion...sorry Chris!
Nandric
Dear Chris, I am checking those virgins before posting to Dertonarm.


When I read this........I think I peed my pants .........just a little bit

Doctor Nikola,
I posted on the ET2 thread that I feel I missed my calling with the occupation I chose.
As an obvious master of multiple occupations, may I ask what brings you more satisfaction -
being a Doctor or a King ?

for Henry, Thuchan, Giorgos, Dave G, et al

You Want It Darker
Leonard Cohen

If you are the dealer, I'm out of the game
If you are the healer, it means I'm broken and lame
If thine is the glory then mine must be the shame
You want it darker
We kill the flame

Magnified, sanctified, be thy holy name
Vilified, crucified, in the human frame
A million candles burning for the help that never came
You want it darker

Hineni, hineni
I'm ready, my lord

There's a lover in the story
But the story's still the same
There's a lullaby for suffering
And a paradox to blame
But it's written in the scriptures
And it's not some idle claim
You want it darker
We kill the flame

They're lining up the prisoners
And the guards are taking aim
I struggled with some demons
They were middle class and tame
I didn't know I had permission to murder and to maim
You want it darker

Hineni, hineni
I'm ready, my lord

Magnified, sanctified, be thy holy name
Vilified, crucified, in the human frame
A million candles burning for the love that never came

You want it darker
We kill the flame

If you are the dealer, let me out of the game
If you are the healer, I'm broken and lame
If thine is the glory, mine must be the shame
You want it darker

Hineni, hineni
Hineni, hineni
I'm ready, my lord

Hineni
Hineni, hineni
Hineni


Songwriters: Leonard Cohen / Patrick Leonard

You Want It Darker lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLC, Kobalt Music Publishing Ltd.

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LC - RIP
Chris, I would amend your "audiophilic rules" in one way: Audiophiles seek change, even when they ARE already happy.

It's much like what Jerry Seinfeld said about the male propensity for channel surfing when watching TV: "Men don't want to know what's on; they want to know what ELSE is on."

 I had no idea that Jerry Seinfeld knows me . Is he also member of

our forum?

Men happen to be a minority on this planet. Men are discriminated against, by the politically correct women who want to dominate.

Males mature later than females and their inattention in early grades penalizes them by overworked and underpaid teachers.  Men and women are obviously not equal. This has nothing to do with equal pay.

Methinks we have strayed from the natural order of things.

neobop

The  conformist champ who now leading the not so obvious matrix of reality, unknowingly offers all the guns & ammo.
The "natural order of things" would be slightingly deformed, nostalgia will be aggressively prosecuted and as we speak, we have already choose side.

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Flieb, I wish I knew what you were trying to say in your comment on males v females.  And then the attribution to Neobop.  Is this something once written by Neobop?

Dare I respond?  No one said or says that males and females are precisely equal biologically.  What is sought by justifiably insistent females is equality of treatment in a work environment, as well as freedom from sexual harassment or the power to take corrective action if harassment occurs.  Is that so wrong?

Leonard Cohen's lyrics have taken us off the subject of the Palladian, for sure.

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Back to Palladian and away from Leonard...
Just listened to Stanley Clarke's SchoolDays, in the 2011 Sony (Epic) version, mastered from the original tapes, with the Palladian. If you ever wanted to know how a bass should sound you need that combination...
Dear @thuchan : """  If you ever wanted to know how a bass should sound you need that combination..."""

NO, if you want to know how bass should sound what you need is to listen it in a near field position played LIVE .

What define the home system quality bass level performance is not a " cartridge/LP " combination but the overall room/system combination that at least I do not know for sure the quality you have in your system. I have only an idea because the diferent system audio links you have especially on the analog front end and speakers but in some ways electronics too.

This is for you only and with all my humble attitude and in good shape: if you want to know how should sound the bass in a home system take a fligth to my place to listen it and an additional bonus is that you can visit some interesting tourist places that exist in México.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC,
R.

Live is where it's at.  Git to NYC or get your hometown to play some great

live music.  It's a shame what some towns call the real deal.     

Recorded music is a minification of a real musical event.   A studio session is a real musical event, so what's the difference?

fleib 

Raul,
I have already seen all the wonderful places in Mexico.Thanks.
You may invite Mr. Trump convincing him that free trade and not building up walls and censorship may be the better way - if that matches with your philosophy too??

Regarding the Palladian you should hear it first. Then you will change your assessment in case you are disburdened of historical experiences.
I can only think that someone served Trump a bad taco, somewhere back in his childhood.  And he's still vomiting.

Meantime, yes to live music.  Dynamics and more dynamics.
Dear @thuchan : The home audio system bass quality level performance has only tw paths: it performs good or it performs in wrong way. 

No one needs to hear this or that cartridge with this or that recording to post what you posted.
 
It's obvious for me that with that kind of post your system bass performance is not good enough and as I told you I don't even have to listen your system.

After a live event/MUSIC the only tool in a home system that we have to know if the bass is good or wrong is trhough the digiatl alternative: CD, period.


Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Raul,
Everyone who has listened to my system and has carefully studied the way of bass implementation in my system on Audiocirc knows that your outside view is not really qualifying you.

Dear @thuchan : I don't care about your friends. I know you very well better that you can think and know your audio priorities and that's why I posted here what I posted.

I think that you don't want to follow with me this specific dialogue about your system and I don't want it but is up to you.


Regards and enjoy the music,
R.


Raul,
You seem to care. That's why you always come back on this. Be assured if you would have the chance to hear the Palladian - not only talking from the distance without experience - I would take your comments more serious.

Dear thuchan, The 'art of teasing' is unknown in Mexico so you

are wasting your time. To assume that Raul would ever buy

anything designed by Dertonarm is like assuming that Trump will

join IS or get statue in Mexico.

thucan/nandric
A little patience is required. I am sure that in 23 years Raul will discover a rare second hand vintage MC cartridge known as the Palladian, that with rubber suspension suitably baked and cured in an equatorial environment, and a fine diamond carefully honed and polished by 23 years of Conway Twitty records, the Palladian will be rediscovered as the best cartridge ever made, better even perhaps than any MM ! .. almost as good as digital. Indeed. You heard it here, first.
Dear Nandric,
Maybe you are more realistic than me. On the other hand I have met in Mexico wonderful people, not only the beautiful young ladies, and also not the drug related guys... who knows, maybe Raul gets enlighted one day. You should never give up hope.

It could be that it is Trump's hidden dream to become statue in Mexico - not sure on which side of the wall...

Dear Dover,
You are so right, that might be the most realistic scenario...
Dear @thuchan : "  have the chance to hear the Palladian - not only talking from the distance without experience - I would take your comments more serious. "

maybe the problem is taht you and me are talking of different audio subjects.

What I posted as answers to your touted BASS post has nothing relative with cartridges but with BASS, this was and is the main subject in our dialogue.

You are not a stupid person as other ones and I know this for sure.

Think on the bass main subject as a MUSIC/sound  home system reproduction and that's it.

You can't never achieve a true and precise system evaluation bass qualuity performance level using analog only DIGITAL.

Got it?

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Raul,
When you studied my system did you realize that it has an analogue and a digital bass amplification?  - and it is not a copy as you assumed before, completely different to the Vox Olympian. Just study the images on the speakers,  X-over and amps.

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Fleib,
It's telling that your only example of the move away from Rule by Law is the actions of Greenpeace.  As for the rest of your random shots, where did they come from, and where are they going?
Anyway, we are all under stress right now, and perhaps it's therefore a bad time to talk politics.
The Palladian is much less controversial, good, bad or indifferent.  I suspect it's at least quite good, because I respect the collective opinions of those who are listening to it.

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@acman3 lets just say a few of the regulars were indulging in some rather off topic historical/political badinage- nothing that bad and quite interesting and well informed but clearly not to the moderators taste

back to the Palladian I'm looking forward to having a chance to remount mine with the spacer so I can go "below horizontal" - methinks that s way even better sound lies. The spacer should be in my mailbox tomorrow



Good news folkfreak.....
I'm wondering what material the spacer is made of......and if, perhaps, there may be some titanium screws within the package.....❓🤔

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Dear @thuchan : "   it has an analogue and a digital bass amplification? "

first I appreciate to know that finally you and me can have a enriched dialogue with out try to hit one to the other as in those crazy old times. Good, maturity is very important issue in each one human been life.

Now, if there is a frequency range where analog has its weakest characteristic is precuisely in the overall bass range and if the signal is generated by the analogue alternative it does not matters what's happening after that signal generation. Problem is not in the speakers/amplifiers but from where comes and is generated the signal.

Digital alternative is way superior in the bass management. Of course and as happens in analoge there are bad digital recordings and good ones and ovbiously we are talking of the good ones in both audio worlds.The other main issue is that MUSIC is harmonics, think on this.

If any one wants to know in his home audio system how bass should sound he has to listen through digital recordings and if that home audio system has a good overall set up then he will knows is rigth through listen experiences.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
acman3
What is going on here?


A couple Palladian owners got .....I assume bored.....and tried to identify and solve the world’s problems.

The result of this ....my feeling........ is that Nikola will no longer be getting free screws.

@Folkfreak - I hope your Palladian shim is not being shipped by camel courier ? Just seems a long time ago that you mentioned it ?

Then again this winter is really dragging along. :^(

Willie .....better not see his shadow ....

Dear Chris, I am already ''screwed'' by the moderators and you

threaten me  also with  those ''free screws''. I expected more

support from my former compatriote. BTW I got yesterday an

email from Dertonarm but he deed, alas,  not mentioned those

''free screws'' (aka ''screws for free'') . I mean those ''titanium kind''.

My modesty deed not allow to ask when , if at all, those will be

posted.