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The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
New SR BLUE fuse thread ...
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ULTRASONIC-CLEAN-The-Finest-Of-CHRIS-CONNOR-Bethlehem-Jazz-1975-NM-UNPLAYED-...
Overall impressions:
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
Frank
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Wolf Your post removal is pretty fresh, it was there still this morning. I have no idea who wasted their time reporting your posts, them being removed and making some threads nonsensical is a big beef of mine tbh. Yes there is call for some posts to be removed for sure, that one was not on the list imho. |
There's a tendency among some (or simply somebody) to "report" to the moderators any post that may disagree with a point of view. I understand that obscene language or unnecessary personal attacks might be seen as inappropriate, I understand the rules, but when an otherwise humorous or perhaps too pointed and possibly satiric post is eliminated because a reader prefers to misuse the moderator's time as a vendetta against a member's posts, that's when things become sort of cowardly. If anyone doesn't like what I post, feel free to respond to me…I can take it…otherwise this forum could be ruined by personally insecure fear based censorship, and I don't think that's what the moderators actually want. |
Absolutely Charles. I have indeed purchased cables that although I could not say was anything wrong with them but just did not "fit" my system or my sound at all and unfortunately had to return them. Obviously not what I intended upon purchase! Have not yet stepped up to blue fuse, indeed my present system appears to be devoid of changeable fuses so quite possibly will not be, more is the pity just for my hearing benefit on this cause. |
charles1dad I believe that nearly everyone has an expectation for favorable results when frying a new audio product. Surely such inopportune Freudian slips as “frying a new product” should be assiduously avoided in threads about fuses. 🤡 Besides, judging from the amount of blowback from skeptics I’m not sure I can agree with the sentiment that nearly everyone has an expectation for favorable results. |
I believe that nearly everyone has an expectation for favorable results when frying a new audio product (or why buy it to begin ?). I’ve had to return products that didn’t impress me once in my system and get a refund. I’m sure this has been the case for others as well, not every purchase provides a positive sonic outcome. My attitude toward upgrade fuses was to give them a try and and just listen. It worthwhile they stay and if not they go back and my money is returned. . A simple proposition. In my system they yielded an improvement in sound quality with 3 separate components. Furthermore reversing the fuse direction revealed a "better" sound quality in one direction compared to the other. These were my results and I can’t speak to the experiences of others although many posters here have had very similar results. There are listeners who have or will try upgrade fuses and hear little or no difference in sound quality. One person’s outcome doesn’t invalidate another who has a dissimilar outcome. We can only report what we hear. I can easily accept the opposing listening results of uberwaltz and wolf, they heard what they heard. I would never tell someone else what they hear with their own ears and system and declare it can’t be as they describe, far too presumptuous. Expectation bias can also be skewed toward a negative outcome if one is heavily doubtful (skeptical) as to the merits of the product in question, where their mind is already made up . In audio it always comes down to actually listening and then forming an opinion concerning a particular product. Charles |
Wolf I have no issue with you at all but..... $120(at black fuse) is not even pocket change in all honesty so it has zero expectation bias or placebo effect in me whatsoever. So why do you have to try to insult my intelligence? I was one of the biggest sceptics on this planet for tweaks etc. Until I manned up and bought a couple fuses to try as with return policy how can u go wrong? And I HEAR the difference, end of story. No placebo No expectation bias No BS you cannot hear a difference and I respect that. But your seemingly absolute refusal to accept how anybody else possibly can is the real insult here . No offense..... |
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03-25-2018 8:50amWolf, you obviously made geoff all upset and uppity when you asked if anyone has made a graphene hat yet. Nah, this is Geoff’s style of hat. http://goo.gl/xxuWTt Cheers George |
Wolf I will agree with you that science cannot explain it, you maybe cannot measure it either. But there is a whole raft of crap in this world that science cannot explain! Or if you do not believe that then all of this is falling on deaf ears to be sure. I have said it before and it seems I have to say it again. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY FUSES HAVE THE SQ IMPACT THEY DO IN MY SYSTEM BUT THEY DO! Additionally I truly DO NOT CARE EITHER! It is not "expectation bias" I mean $120? cmon lets get real, that’s peanuts in this hobby! $10000, maybe I can see people forcing themselves to believe it worked but $120 with a 30 day return policy, no way! |
Nope. The question has NEVER been answered…the fact is that fuses don't make anything better (and if you think they do, how and why can they?), they are designed to melt, the characteristics of anything with a fuse aren't transformed by the fuse actually NOT blowing, and to believe hyperbole claiming otherwise is naive. Kaitty keeps saying my question has been answered a "great many times" but actually can't actually say what those answers might be…the nurse should at least wheel him nearer a window…loosen the restraints…something... |
wolf_garcia Fake question? I expect a more reasoned response even from pseudo experts like Kaitty…head injury indeed. What I don’t expect at this point after repeatedly asking about it is one of the manufacturers of "special" fuses mentioning anywhere what they were after even at the early stages of design…before implementing whatever they were planning to do with a half inch of tiny wire, they must have been thinking about how and why this might help the resolution of a system…although marketing (A fuse for 150 bucks! 30 day return policy…YEAH THAT’S IT) is likely to have come first…so my "fake" question remains unanswered regardless of Kaitty’s silly unhinged and unsophisticated responses. So, I was right! It was a head injury. But seriously, Wolfie, your question has been answered a great many times. God gave you two listening ears and one mouth for a reason. - Judge Judy |
this has nothing whatsoever to do with audio and it’s sound, it’s more to do with longevity and resistance to corroding, caused by age and many switch on surges just like this Oh, but it does, Georgie. Just think of all the money you can save by getting something like a Bussman fuse. I know that $4 is pretty heady stuff, to be sure, but it would cost less than what you’re accustomed to paying, considering how many times you’ve told us you replace those cheaper fuses. And, you wouldn’t have the ability to show how it doesn’t age due to it’s ceramic body, but at least we’d be spared that same, boring slideshow you keep linking to. 👍 All the best, Nonoise |
mitch2 Oops, I didn’t see Geoff’s post about how to determine the real engineers from the pretend (?) engineers, by finding out who knows "exactly why these fancy fuses work." Sort of a present-day variation on finding out who the witches are by holding them under water. >>>>A man should be judged by his actions not his words. But since pseudo skeptics never actionally DO anything, we’re left to judge them by their words, and I paraphrase, “Golly, I don’t know how these fancy fuses work.” |
You really are professed non technical audiophile, this has nothing whatsoever to do with audio and it's sound, it's more to do with longevity and resistance to corroding, caused by age and many switch on surges just like this. A slow-blo fuse "ageing" right to left https://peakpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuse-8312-640x426.jpg A fast-blo fuse "ageing" left to right https://i.stack.imgur.com/0uqWX.jpg%20 Cheers George |
For those who still refuse to "know" how an aftermarket fuse works: HRC Fuse consists of highly heat resistant material (such as ceramic) body having metal-end caps, which is welded by silver current carrying element. The fuse body internal space is completely packed with a filling powder. The material, which has filled the insider space, may be plaster of Paris, quartz, chalk, marble, dust and cooling mediums etc. That’s why it carries normal current without overheating. The heat being produced vaporizes the silver melted element. Chemical reaction taking place between silver vapor and filling powder results in high resistance substance, which helps in quenching the arc in fuse. and,
This is from a normal site on fuses, based on years old knowledge, and available to anyone who would care to look at it. But that would be akin to actually trying it, wouldn't it? All the best, Nonoise |
But tweaks aren’t voodoChanging a fuse is not a tweak, if it needs to be changed, it's either one blown or two so aged because of switch on surges it’s bent up and carbonized. And just needs to be changed with the same $2 one, not a voodoo >$100 one. A slow-blo fuse "ageing" right to left https://peakpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuse-8312-640x426.jpg A fast-blo fuse "ageing" left to right https://i.stack.imgur.com/0uqWX.jpg%20 Cheers George |
I'd say that the engineers behind PS Audio and Wyred4Sound fit that descriptor to an engineered "T". I find it funny that when one side comes up with a better argument than the other side (who can be shown to be downright nasty), or fighting fire with fire, as it's termed, that other side gets their panties up in an uproar. Not a very well "engineered" argument, huh? All the best, Nonoise |
"it's been shown that there are engineers who've tried fuses and though they can't explain why they make an improvement, they accept it. They know more than the naysayers here, make better products than just tinkering with junk at home, read the same manuals, are better educated, and still have the ability to keep an open mind."So, because somebody accepts something they can't explain, they "know more" are "better educated" and have an "open mind" compared to people who either don't perceive a difference or who don't buy into the level of difference reported by others here? Give me a break....I doubt you know who is or is not "better educated" and blanket disparaging statements like that are what start the fireworks around here. |
In these discussions it's been shown that there are engineers who've tried fuses and though they can't explain why they make an improvement, they accept it. They know more than the naysayers here, make better products than just tinkering with junk at home, read the same manuals, are better educated, and still have the ability to keep an open mind. I think that's what differentiates them from the naysaying, self described experts here. All the best, Nonoise |
Fake question? I expect a more reasoned response even from pseudo experts like Kaitty…head injury indeed. What I don't expect at this point after repeatedly asking about it is one of the manufacturers of "special" fuses mentioning anywhere what they were after even at the early stages of design…before implementing whatever they were planning to do with a half inch of tiny wire, they must have been thinking about how and why this might help the resolution of a system…although marketing (A fuse for 150 bucks! 30 day return policy…YEAH THAT'S IT) is likely to have come first…so my "fake" question remains unanswered regardless of Kaitty's silly unhinged and unsophisticated responses. |
Georgehifi Every piece of hifi gear all of you own is designed using science, EE laws and measurements, then it’s listen to and any adjustments made are done again using science, EE laws and measurements!!!! None are done using voodoo!!!! >>>>>>But tweaks aren’t voodo, they use science. That’s why they work. Duh? If they didn’t work then you might make that argument. And, you can’t prove they don’t work. See? That’s the beauty of it. It’s just a lot of cheap talk. |
Wolfman wrote, “George is only wrong in the sense that there are a lot of "magical" tweaks that people pay for and use that are designed with zero science…just ask the question, "How and why do Special fuses supposedly make things sound so great?" No answer has ever been coughed up by anybody. You just have to believe...” >>>>Isn’t that special? The man with severe memory disorder, who knows, perhaps an injury, checks in to ask the same fake question again, for the umpty umpth time, hoping to squeeze just a little some more juice out of that used up lemon. 🍋 I place the blame squarely on the education system. Or on whatever person smashed Wolf in the head. |
Is anybody making a graphene hat yet? Also, following the Magical tweak path is far more like religion than otherwise… some just don't care… "If people say it's fabulous but nobody can explain it with any logic that's FINE with me""…or "I don't know how it works but it makes me "feel" better"...sound familiar? George is only wrong in the sense that there are a lot of "magical" tweaks that people pay for and use that are designed with zero science…just ask the question, "How and why do Special fuses supposedly make things sound so great?" No answer has ever been coughed up by anybody. You just have to believe... |
uberwaltz912 posts03-15-2018 10:13am Every piece of hifi gear all of you own is designed using science, EE laws and measurements, then it’s listen to and any adjustments made are done again using science, EE laws and measurements!!!! None are done using voodoo!!!! Cheers George |
Just installed the Blues in my Atma-Sphere MP-1 mk111.3 pre-amp. There is now no noise floor. It's gone. I did put them in backwards (not my fault). As low as the noise floor was, the base (bass) diminished slightly. I just switched them around, and wowee, fabulous clean base. Now the bad news; I need 6 more for my MA-1 amplifiers! Ouch. |
Fuses are functioning bi-directional things when they (generally) deal with an alternating current…I suppose they could pass current more aptly in one direction, but it's still a half inch teeny wire so it seems like (because it is) an irrelevant thing…2 bucks or 150 bucks…teeny…both directions…AC…so to respond to Kaity's wonderment, it really doesn't matter much if at all. |
