I’ve replaced all 5 of the SR BLACK fuses in my system with the new SR BLUE fuses. Cold, out of the box, the BLUE fuses stomped the fully broken-in SR BLACKS in a big way. As good as the SR BLACK fuses were/are, especially in comparison with the SR RED fuses, SR has found another break-through in fuses.
1. Musicality ... The system is totally seamless at this point. Its as if there is no system in the room, only a wall to wall, front to back and floor to ceiling music presentation with true to life tonality from the various instruments.
2. Extension ... I’ve seemed to gain about an octave in low bass response. This has the effect of putting more meat on the bones of the instruments. Highs are very extended, breathing new life into my magic percussion recordings. Vibes, chimes, bells, and triangles positioned in the rear of the orchestra all have improved. I’ve experienced no roll-off of the highs what so ever with the new BLUE fuses. Just a more relaxed natural presentation.
3. Dynamics ... This is a huge improvement over the BLACK fuses. Piano and vibes fans ... this is fantastic.
I have a Japanese audiophile CD of Flamenco music ... the foot stomps on the stage, the hand clapping and the castanets are present like never before. Want to hear natural sounding castanets? Get the BLUE fuses.
4. Mid range ... Ha! Put on your favorite Ben Webster album ... and a pair of adult diapers. Play Chris Connor singing "All About Ronnie," its to die for.
Quick .... someone here HAS to buy this double album. Its a bargain at this price. Audiophile sound, excellent performance by the one and only Chris Connor. Yes, its mono ... but so what? Its so good you won’t miss the stereo effects. If you’re the lucky person who scores this album, please post your results here.
Where the RED fuses took about 20 hours to sound their best, and the BLACK fuses took upwards of 200 hours of total break-in, the BLUE fuses sounded really good right out of the box ... and that’s without doing anything about proper directional positioning. Not that the BLUE fuses don’t need breaking in, they do. The improvement continues through week three. Its a gradual break-in thing where each listening session is better than the last.
Everything I described above continues to break new ground in my system as the fuses continue breaking in. Quite honestly, I find it difficult to tear myself away from the system in order to get things done. Its truly been transformed into a magical music machine. With the expenditure of $150.00 and a 30 day return policy there’s really nothing to lose. In my system, its like upgrading to a better pre amp, amp, CD player or phono stage. Highly recommended.
Kudos to Ted Denney and the entire staff at SR. Amazing stuff, guys. :-)
Frank
PS: If you try the SR BLUE fuses, please post your results here. Seems the naysayers, the Debbie Downers and Negative Nellie’s have hijacked the original RED fuse thread. A pox on their houses and their Pioneer receivers.
mapman you have no respect for empirical reports of better sound using SR fuses
Why should anyone? GK and Nonoise themselves have already pointed out how unreliable listening is. Too many variables! Almarg has pointed out the many variables thing repeatedly as well. The only thing anyone can count on is the desire here to get others to buy the fuses.
>>>>Actually, you’ve misconstrued what I said. What I said was that negative results of listening tests dont mean the DUT failed. Since too many things can go wrong. That’s completely different from saying listening is unreliable. In fact, if anyone’s hearing is unreliable or in question it’s yours! Hel-loo! See the irony? 😄
The only thing anyone can count on is the desire here to get others to buy the fuses.
Silly on it’s face. If your take on what I said was that listening is unreliable, then you’re just having a great time trolling. Try adding some emojis at the end of such a statement, to give it relevance. 🤪
you have no respect for empirical reports of better sound using SR fuses
Why should anyone? GK and Nonoise themselves have already pointed out how unreliable listening is. Too many variables! Almarg has pointed out the many variables thing repeatedly as well. The only thing anyone can count on is the desire here to get others to buy the fuses.
Bingo! That’s the definition of a pseudo skeptic. The next best thing to the real thing. Pseudo skeptics are always trying to prove that they’re not gullible, that they cannot be hornswoggled. They’re also called Barcalounger Skeptics. A real skeptic is actually curious and will go to great lengths to get to the bottom of things.
Prof, hidden within your pseudo intellectual eloquence, your views are clear: You are a skeptic; you have no respect for empirical reports of better sound using SR fuses; you demand scientific method as proof of SR fuse efficacy. Since you have not tried SR fuses, you have no real position to promote or defend regarding the topic of this thread.
Wolf Surely fuses run in the same area as caps and resistors and cables and plugs etc. Whoever first thought of swapping those out as they also were obviously doing an adequate job? Did they expect a sonic change when they did so? It is in the nature of the human race to tinker and experiment without always having a rationale or expectation to base said tinkering on. I just do not see how fuses fall into any different regards than any other change from a manufacturer standard issued product.
I do not expect everybody to hear a change, way to many system variables, room variables and finally human variables for it to be consistently repeatable. But all you can use is results as a guide as to what you might expect from said tweak. After all if say even 80% report a positive change then its a guide to indicate you may as well. That is all anybody can ask from any review of any product really.
Another thing to consider is the fact that no reasonable explanation has ever been proffered up as to exactly why the fuses were designed to deal with an issue which likely never existed. Fuses are limited in their design by the fact that they must contain a small wire that will melt on cue to be effective…special end caps might help the basic connection in the fuse holder, the wire could have some proprietary component, something, anything, but are they designed to be tone altering devices? Why or how they work remains a mystery, and I'm pretty sure they're simply designed and promoted to generate money garnered from gullible fans hoping that they too can enjoy the magic tone improvements available from something so small, albeit with Quantum Tunneling involved. The overwhelming support from sincere believers, "Marge, come quick, the cellos are cleaner!", illustrates the fact that people simply need validation from others so they don't feel like knuckleheads from spending 150 bucks on a 2 dollar fuse. Enter hyperbole, the salesman's best friend.
🐩 mapman geoffkait “The fuse warrior that time forgot."
That title is all yours yapdogkait despite the fact you don’t even use fuses yet can run your mouth forever about the choice ones. Did you get freebie fuses as well to rave about but not use?
>>>>>yapdogkait?! Whoa! That’s not very original. The dog thing is already taken, Poodleman. I might have gotten freebie fuses. Why not? I qualify for industry comps. Only my hairdresser knows for sure. Do I win a prize if I tell you?
It's fascinating how simply voicing some skepticism about an audio tweak brings out the most emotional, irrational responses in some audiophiles.
"jafreeman" has just posted a screed that has been so typical of
these conversations. (Certainly not everyone who disagrees with me and other skeptics about fuses has
been so off-kilter, but jafreeman-style posts have certainly tend to
come up quite a bit in these type of conversations).
No matter how many times I explicitly state "I'm not claiming fuses don't make a sonic difference or that people are not hearing a difference" some more "subjectively inclined" can't seem to read this with any intent to understand, and instead replace it in with "He's saying THERE CAN BE NO DIFFERENCE and that I HAVE TO BE DELUDED!"
What is it with this absolute addiction to strawman rather than actually trying to understand what someone is saying who...gasp!...just might not share your own confident conviction of the TRUTH that your experience has revealed?
And in the meantime, there are those of us who are thoroughly enjoying our Magic Music Machines. And conversely, there are those who will never know because they believe they already do.
It’s refreshing to wake up after a good night’s sleep and see the same flies in the ointment. What Ted Denny said:
NO OBJECTIVE CRITERIA OR TEST THAT EXISTS TODAY THAT CONCLUSIVELY PROVES ANY PRODUCT TO BE BETTER THAN ANY OTHER.
is not a repudiation of his product and even the ones with half a brain here know that, yet they immediately jump on it as such. It’s like after having your head buried in the sand for so long, they stand up, bend over backwards, and reinsert their heads in the sand, proclaiming, "I now have a new point to argue with."
Geoff has been saying, in a different way, that there’s no way to validate a A/B/X test as there’s too many variables inherent in the test (which is another way to state Ted Denny's statement) and like I’ve always said, it’s a parlor trick.
And something has to be said about false equivalency. One side is trolling as best they can while the other can only point to the obvious remedy: try the fuse for yourself. It appeares to be just a tactic to get the thread shut down.
And one more thing: there’s nothing in the book that states that a fuse can not effect the sound of one’s system. There’s nothing in "electronic engineering" (as one here loves to say) that says the same. There are no "engineering laws" that say that either. It’s merely the understanding of those with an appreciation and understanding of those rules and laws who surmise, for themselves, that it can not be. They’re just guessing. No body has ever bothered to consider it before someone discovered that a fuse can be of benefit.
There’s no way in hell that something which is a part of design can not impart a sonic signature of it’s own, since the design can not work without it’s presence. It’s function is small but that doesn’t mean it’s sonic impact isn’t. Just because no one thought enough to give due consideration to something for a long time doesn’t mean that it’s some kind of electronic engineering law.
That title is all yours yapdogkait despite the fact you don’t even use fuses yet can run your mouth forever about the choice ones. Did you get freebie fuses as well to rave about but not use?
^^^ And in the meantime, there are those of us who are thoroughly enjoying our Magic Music Machines. And conversely, there are those who will never know because they believe they already do.
Mapman I agree entirely and on both "sides". Probably would be the kindest cut to put the thread to sleep to end its suffering. It has degenerated to a point where nobody is ever going to truly listen to anybody else at all. Just a rehash of the same barbs and retorts over and over. And same multiple deleted posts.
George refers to folks as “technically gullible” yet can offer no proof either way, why a fuse should make a difference or why it shouldn’t. That would make George what, technically inept?
George, George, George of the jungle, look out for that tree!
🐩 mapman This thread is mostly the same handful of guys saying the same thing over and over. Just throw the whole thing out. Especially if gk goes with it. He can’t even get the story about me right. Pull the plug!
Maybe that because your story is from a galaxy far far away, Poodleman. 🐩 A story best forgotten. Poodleman, the fuse warrior that time forgot. 😳
Those of you who have not tried the SR Fuse line but insist you don’t have to, for you already know they cannot improve a system’s sound quality, are trying to sell us your authority over our conclusions based on our experience with the SR fuses. We aren’t buying your appeal to authority--I have no idea what authority you have, i.e., what is your idea of high fidelity sound? How do I know you are hearing the clarity I am hearing? What have you done to your system to eliminate noise and distortion--just what IS your system? Why are you a more careful listener than I? Prove it to me. You insist on proof of how these better fuses work, and if someone cannot provide theoretic proof, then they cannot work as we claim. This is an empty demand, Prof---prove something to US, for we have heard the proof--you have not. George, sprinkle some snake oil on your nothing burger. Wolf, prove to us that you really did try the SR Blacks. You refuse to believe anyone’s experience, yet you expect us to believe YOU? Prove it! I’ll take my listening and system-set-up experience as proof every time over you nattering nabobs of negativism and bloviated blather. So THERE---HA!
Agreed. It is a very odd thing to write something then, when simply asked to defend it, resort to denying it's main content. Especially when the post is sitting right in this very page to be seen by anyone.
But this is the age of Trump...so denial is all the rage I guess ;-)
Just throw the whole thing out. Especially if gk goes with it. He can't even get the story about me right. Pull the plug!
Yes this thread is just a seething cesspit of "snake oil" BS, just to make money from the technically gullible. I agree just pull the plug on it it's just a weed. Trouble is you can guarantee a new weed thread will will start "The new Synergistic Research Green" fuses or something like it, you can take that to the bank, as the stupid high profit margins will not let this baby die ever it's malignant.
This thread is mostly the same handful of guys saying the same thing over and over. Just throw the whole thing out. Especially if gk goes with it. He can't even get the story about me right. Pull the plug!
"But the score is about 20,000 to 5", or so you think. Have you been counting? Wake up and engage your brain and get your facts in order, if you can. You can go back to sleep now. Oh, you never woke up in the first place? Typical.
George, but tiered is what shadorne claimed, the guy you’re trying to defend. So you can drop the posing. If you can’t keep up with the conversation you should drop out. Turn on, tune in, drop dead.
This whole post especially the last 1/4 reminds me of the great scene by Abbot and Costello "Who's on first base...."
The main protagonists are commenting on the just previous comments, and on it goes.
The question still remains, do Blue fuses make the significant change that some audiophiles say they do irrespective of the equipment used (has anyone used them for equipment that is not HiFi?), OR, do they not make a discernible change to some systems?
Is something right because people think the [thing] is right? Is something wrong because people think the [thing] is wrong?
This post has indicated that people will accept the opinion of a large group of posters, and there are those that will not accept that way of opinion and want facts, evidence (as per experiment results) or unequivocable proof.
Maybe not tiered but certainly an "upgrade" from each consecutive one once it lost it's BS "snake oil" appeal, at ever increased pricing. And I’m not starting to loose it, unlike you already have. You’ve really got to get rid of that website of yours as it’s a dead give away. https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina60.htm
George, are you losing it? The SR fuses were never available as a tier of products. They were never available at price points. Go sit in the corner with shadorne.
🐩 shadorne What a waste of time this product is and so is this thread.
The designer claims no way to prove his products are better than any other.
The same designer makes several color fuses at different price points. How can one make a tiered range of products without any way to determine if any of them are better than the other?
>>>>Actually the designer makes no such tiered range of products as you claim. If you can’t keep up with the discussion maybe best to be silent, and you wouldn’t look so foolish by expressing your silly theory.
Either you have trouble communicating...or you are just desperate to disavow what you even wrote.
What I wrote:
prof: So...3 of your 4 paragraphs specifically referenced the people who
tested fuses, didn’t hear a difference and you criticized those posters
for making "blustering" posts with absolute statements that it’s
"impossible" to hear an improvement.
Let's see if this description is apt. What you wrote:
P1:
I totally understand and respect those here who have tried an
aftermarket fuse and garnered no discernible sq change. Kudos to those
few.However that was still in their room with their equipment and to their ears, which is still highly subjective.
^^^ Identified the people you are talking about in the post, and beginning a critique of the relevance of their findings.
P2:
So said testers simply CANNOT take the stance that because they did not
hear an improvement then absolutely nobody else can or should! That is utter nonsense and arrogance beyond belief.
^^^^ Talking about those same people and criticising them for drawing arrogant, absolutist conclusions.
P4:
So we need to quit with the blustering posts that proclaim it is a fact that it is impossible to hear an improvement!
^^^^ Clearly continuing your critique of the people making such posts, such as you referenced in your first two paragraphs.
So, yeah, 3 of your 4 paragraphs were obviously, undeniably, concerned with the people you claim have made blustering claims about "impossible" improvements. (Which is why I asked for evidence they were making such claims).
I don't see what you mean to gain by denying the obvious content of your own posts (why not just support what you wrote?), but the internet is strange that way.
What a waste of time this product is and so is this thread.
The designer claims no way to prove his products are better than any other.
The same designer makes several color fuses at different price points. How can one make a tiered range of products without any way to determine if any of them are better than the other?
So in conclusion, it is all just random. This is no better than selling audiophiles a range of listening enhancement head gear at various prices: a pair of dear antlers or moose antlers or elk antlers. The only difference being that audiophiles might feel foolish wearing antlers on their head while they can feel quite smug and elitist about a special fuse. Especially when only the most resolving systems will benefit.
Thank you for the cordial and reasoned reply to my question. Posts like this are a welcome part of the discussion as far as I am concerned. We may disagree on some things, but I can respect your reasons for contributing to this thread.
I can also respect your reasons for choosing not to try the fuses. In my experience they are remarkable, though. I've had my share of experience with products that don't live up to expectations in this hobby, and I hate to see a fellow enthusiast miss out on one that really does live up to the claims.
wolf_garcia As some may hove noted in my previous comments, I tested the Black fuses extensively and found them to be an overpriced waste of time, a couple of them blew (a VERY rare thing otherwise) although rated to work properly, and I concluded that the Littelfuse or other stock fuses were at least equal to the performance of the SR samples in my gear.
>>>>>>The take away here is results were in your system. You certainly cannot extrapolate your failure to hear to say that all fuses sound the same.
wolf_garcia My experiment, my conclusions. Note I didn’t pay for the test fuses so there’s that, and I’m also aware of the positive comments festooned with hyperbole regarding various obscure and not so obscure tweaks.
>>>>>It’s not everyday you see the word festooned used in a sentence. Congrats!
wolf_garcia Many of the things Geoffkait promotes are so silly no reasonable audiophile (or designer/manufacturer) would bother with them, and the market has spoken regarding green pens, Tice clocks, etc. which may or may not make the case that they’re bogus.
>>>>Well, to be fair I don’t actually promote them. I use them as examples of things people like you think are obscure or obvious hoaxes. Capish?
wolf_garcia Depending on one’s desperation to improve their system perhaps needlessly, and the ability to imagine what one wants to hear, you can always hope for that self satisfied nirvana provided by the feeling that YOU know what’s what because you’re special, and it’s important to you that others know that.
Excuse me Prof but are you reading the same post that I am? Only ONE paragraph fits your original critique, after all that ONE paragraph was all you chose to quote in your post. Now suddenly you have inflated it to THREE paragraphs?
If you go back and read it CORRECTLY paragraph number 2 references testers making absolute statements, paragraph number 4 references ANYBODY making said statements.
You need to reread your post as you were specifically asking about ONE paragraph and one only, again after all it was only ONE paragraph you chose to quote correct?
So yes my statement stands. Colour coding? Not a bad idea but I have a better one Maybe a pop up book?
But as I said this is only going to go one way I bid thee farewell.
So...3 of your 4 paragraphs specifically referenced the people who tested fuses, didn’t hear a difference and you criticized those posters for making "blustering" posts with absolute statements that it’s "impossible" to hear an improvement.
But asking you about the subject of 3 of your 4 paragraphs is simply "picking away at a small part" of your post?
Hookay.
Maybe you can provide guides with your posts - color coding? - as to the parts that are actually relevant, and should be discussed, and which parts people should ignore and not respond to? Usually when I see someone devote the bulk of a post to a critique, I presume that’s the salient point of the post. But I guess I’m thick that way ;-)
There was also the mysterious case of mapman, who seems to be laying low, who said he couldn’t hear the SR fuse, either. I think the prudent thing to do here is to throw both Wolfie’s and mapman’s negative results out. They are outliers in the context of tens of thousands of happy users of SR fuses alone not to mention the vast sea of users of other brands of aftermarket fuses, and should be dealt with accordingly. There may have been others with negative results who did not post, we’ll never know. Or others out in the general universe. Deep six them! As I keep saying, negative results don’t really mean anything, anyway if there are only a few. So not harm done. That the negative Nellies are trying to throw their weight around is hilarious.
Absolutely not how I read it...lol The latter paragraph is most definitely a generalisation of ANYBODY making statements that it is impossible to hear a difference, not prior testers. As opposed to proponents who do not insist that you HAVE to be able to hear a difference. If you get my drift, but feel free to pick away at whichever small part you like.
Good question that I do not have the perfect answer for right now. If we take it as having to state in absolute terms then it may not be a statement that anybody has actually made. If we take it as insinuations and hyperbole then the answer is yes.
Nice that you ignored the rest of the post though........
However I have no desire for this to drag out and spiral out of control so take care
To my knowledge, only wolf didn't hear an improvement after trying a SR fuse, and he seriously/humorously questions the sanity/honesty/integrity of those who do.
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