Debunker accuse him to lie to promote his own vaccine...
This is all they can use to debunk him...
Who do you trust? a paid debunker whose agenda is transparent or a scientist advising the world?
Sometimes people must awake...
We’ll accord the honors of the closing paragraph to David Gorski, who echoes our sentiments on Vanden Bossche.
You know what? I think that grifters recognize fellow grifters, and Frei recognized that Dr. Vanden Bossche is stoking fear of existing COVID-19 vaccines to produce a sales rationale for his own NK-based vaccine, just as Andrew Wakefield stoked fear of the MMR in order to support his own measles vaccine. Grifters of a feather, and all that, and, of course, grifters gonna grift. Always.
Who is David Gorsky :a doctor who is surgical oncologist for women, and a professional debunker who hate integrative medecine...
This is comical....They debunk a top GAVI scientist with a surgical doctor linked to a skeptic club....
and on the same debunker site you can also read this piece of shit but before you must know that Edward Nirenberg is an "aspiring physician" YES...
Stupidity has no limit...a student is paid to debunk a chief reseracher and creator of vaccination at GAVI... Do YOU BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND? the proof is here that Edward Nirenberg is a STUDENT:
A detailed deconstruction offered by Edward Nirenberg. Orac describes this article fittingly as Nirenberg’s demolition of Vanden Bossche’s nonsense about “innate immunity,”. Definitely for the more technically minded, the arguments posed by Nirenberg conclusively bury Vanden Bossche.
A renowned virologist and former senior officer of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation recently warned against the dangers of the experimental COVID-19 gene-transfer vaccines,
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche, who once worked as a senior program manager for the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization (GAVI) and has been considered one of the most talented vaccine creators in the world
I didn’t know he worked for the Gates foundation. That is crazy
@mahgisterTry to get some rest. Hope you feel better 🙏
I am tired because for 7 fays i suffered from the worst flu i ever had...
I have not sleep much in the last 4 days...
But i feel a bit better...
My best to you...
I ’m tired
@mahgister you are right about everything you said, thank you for the kind words. Take care of yourself, this is going to be a rough winter...Vitamin C, D, anti oxidants, Sea minerals, Organic Electrolytes (fulvic powder) take care of your immune system, and stay away from these spike protein factories.
He vas the top vaccines Creator and supervisor of GAVI , yes Bill Gates " philantropy very lucrative business...
He is no more implicated with any corporations directly......
Try to debunk it....It is one of my guide through this Massive INSANE forced vaccinations non scientific politics...
I am sure some idiot will take his first studies like a veterinarian to be the only way to gain a ridiculous point in a discussion here...
But he studies virology and epidemiology, became one of the world TOP expert in vaccinations... You know why i dont verified anything about his credentials ?
Because Gates does not put someone at the head of his GAVI which would not be top in the world of vaccinations...And he cannot be put in the bag with anti vaxx nuts ...
@mahgisteryou are right about everything you said, thank you for the kind words. Take care of yourself, this is going to be a rough winter...Vitamin C, D, anti oxidants, Sea minerals, Organic Electrolytes (fulvic powder) take care of your immune system, and stay away from these spike protein factories.
I have one more part coming for my speaker crossover, but outside of that I am stocked up for winter, ready to see this through 🙏
In case you have not figured it out yet, i both have access and know my way around academic research:
The paper was retracted for a number of reasons including questionable ethics of the submitter, and it is apparently full of errors, even at the most basic, i.e. the name of the test.
I graphed the data from the abstract, it doesn’t support the claims, basically, the inflammatory markers are not elevated. The error bars are very wide and overlap substantially between pre- and post- vax measures, which means there is no meaningful difference between the figures. There is a large range of other issues with the data, but principally they are using an algorithm that is meant to weigh long-term risk factors against the risk of cardiac events, not transient changes associated with infection or vaccination as well as using an algorithm meant for individual risk to estimate group risk without reporting confidence intervals.
I've had 3 shots, took the Flu vaccine same time as the last one. My hearts so friggen large my MD said anymore and they will have to start taking out some of those useless organs to make room.
This heart inflammation and damage occurs after 2 shots, what happens after 3, or 4, or 5, or 6, or the 14 the Government of Australia is planning for it’s citizens?
You people better wake the F up now, or you will end being just another statistic.
Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). The score is based on changes from the norm of multiple protein biomarkers including IL-16, a proinflammatory cytokine, soluble Fas, an inducer of apoptosis, and Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF)which serves as a marker for chemotaxis of T-cells into epithelium and cardiac tissue, among other markers. Elevation above the norm increases the PULS score, while decreases below the norm lowers the PULS score.The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.This report summarizes those results. A total of 566 pts, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac. These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.
The importance of quality cables is in this sequence. Speaker cables are THE most important and can make the biggest difference, followedby the interconnects, and in last place comes power cords. This is true in my 55 years of listening experience. My house gets clean power so the power conditioner made the least amount of noticable difference.
I don't agree with the level of censorship that major platforms were engaging in and are engaging in.
However it is important to note that incidence of heart inflammation / myocarditis is many times higher in people who got covid and were not vaccinated. Given the odds of catching covid without controls, arguably though there are incidences of inflammation /myocarditis with vaccines, it would be much higher without them.
On Nov. 8, 2021, an abstract appeared in the Journal Circulation of the American Heart Association (AMA) showing that COVID vaccines “dramatically” increase heart inflammation in the people that were studies. Plus ledto a substantial increase in the risk of heart complications, like myocarditis and heart attacks.
Twitter put a note on the post by the AMA, stating that it could be misleading and the study could have errors in it.
Cardiologist and NHS consultant Dr. Aseem Malhotra appeared on GBN explaining the findings, and while he was doing so he mentioned another study conducted by a well known cardiologist, who wished to remain anonymous, that found the same thing.
He stated the following,
“A few days ago after this was published (the abstract), somebody from a very prestigious British institution, cardiologist department, a researcher. A whistleblower if you’d like contacted me to say that the researchers in this department had found something similar within the coronary arteries linked to the vaccine, inflammation from imaging studies around the coronary arteries.
And they had a meeting, and these researchers at the moment have decided that they’re not going to publish their findings. Because they are concerned about losing research money from the drug industry.
Now this person was very upset about it, and um, I obviously wanted to share this on GB news today.”
Dr. Aseem Malhotra
What does this say about the current moment our world is living in? Important information is concealed due to the fact it may threaten one’s ability to work, leaving the public uninformed. Pharmaceutical companies not only threaten to stop ones funding if findings go against their business interests, but they also refuse acknowledge science that calls their products into question.
Many of these companies have long had a disregard for ethics and morals. They’ve even gone so far as to lie about the efficacy and the safety of their products.Robert G. Evans, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Vancouver School of Economics, UBC wrote a paper in 2010 titled “Tough on Crime? Pfizer and the CIHR,” it is accessible through the National Library of Medicine (PubMed). In it he outlines how Pfizer has been a “habitual offender,” constantly engaging in illegal and criminal activities. This particular paper points out that from 2002 to 2010, Pfizer has been “assessed $3 billion in criminal convictions, civil penalties and jury awards” and has set records for both criminal fines and total penalties. Keep in mind we are now in 2021 and these numbers have likely risen.
This is concerning, especially given the fact that these companies have big control over academic and medical institutions, as well as medical education.
“The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research. The academic institutions of this country are allowing themselves to be the paid agents of the pharmaceutical industry. I think it’s disgraceful.”
Yes Montagnier is senile and this Kulldorff never consult you... 😊
Do you think it is the only article he wrote?
Do you think you know more than him?
The reason i posted this article is to enlightened you about the total insanity of forced mandate massive vaccination...And the suppression of cheap treatment for those not a risk...do you know how and why remdesivir was used in all America for the ONLY treatment?
With your super analytical power of reading you certainly know...
For sure the things had changed , guess why?
Geert van den Bossche and all the doctors i posted about in the big list you reject by the back of the hand, picking 2 names and observing that they were not epidemiologist, for the sake of a petty argument ,all these doctors, read them like i did, after that you may go and insult me...(By the way there is many epidemiologists in the list)
By the way in a field out of your competence, or mine, you CANNOT do FIRST a CRITICAL ANALYSIS of an article or 2, you CORRELATE all the teachings of scientist with no conflict of interest WORLDWIDE...After that you may be able to read critically...
I begun this pandemy 2 years ago by studying one of the better virologist on earth Dr. Didier Raoult...And after that others...Doctors who treated patients , real doctors...
You know how are evaluated scientist OBJECTIVELY i presume? If you know ,this has nothing to do with your innate superpower of critical analysis...
Because of the insane politization in the US and the corporate weights , we created a catastroph...
It is like nothing changed .... since he wrote that in April 2020.
While better health is questionable in China, major comorbidities in the US w.r.t. Covid are significantly more severe, most of all way higher obesity. The expectation is the US would have higher death rates for all age groups with the exception of health care capacity, but that works in the US not most of the world.
His absolute position was based on very little information and even if we went that route, odds are it would have rapidly changed. The first wave was all old people. In subsequent waves, the hospitals filled with younger and younger people, in the US, the comorbidity of obesity a major issue. Then Delta of course happened and that changed the R0 value by a huge amount.
No doubt there were better ways to address the pandemic, but the good doctor wrote that based on exceptionally small amounts of information. Those that point to Sweden, not that their urbanization is way lower, their transit way less crowded, they have less ethnic large family groups in cities, etc. etc.
It would be nice if even one of you could use your own head and do a critical analysis before posting.
Simplistic mind has decided to understand this article to be pertaining to one of the 2 camps:
Vaxx or anti vaxx
Science dont play with children game...
My point is the actual indiscriminate politics of forced mandate vaccination reserved to the rich countries is doubly stupid...
This is WHAT TO DO:
A) Wise vaxx policy worldwide (NOT ONLY FOR THE RICH north american )of ALL person at risk ONLY, on a voluntary and informed basis .. Guess why? For a clue read the article...use your brain,forget politic ...
B) Early low cost treatment for the others, WORLDWIDE, They EXIST...Guess why they are suppressed?
Good day....
I am tired ....
The most important part of this ARTICLE is this:
«But the most crucial need right now is for vaccine scientists to recognize the relevance of evolutionary biology to their field. Last month, when more than 1,000 vaccine scientists gathered in Washington, D.C., at the World Vaccine Congress, the issue of vaccine-induced evolution was not the focus of any scientific sessions. Part of the problem, Read says, is that researchers are afraid: »
They are afraid because this politic of mASS forced vaxxx made no sense with the suppression of treatment to help people who are not at great risk, like the young...
This magazine dont do politic.... Read between the line, they cannot go too far against the political authorities...
Geert Van Den Bossch explained that for YEARS and give insight about that matter way more than just this article...But those who spoke clearly are censored...
I am not against vaccination i am against massive indiscriminate vaccination rserved to rich countries ...
I guess the Electric Universe takes a backseat to fun Covid stuff. I don't think Quanta magazine stuck their neck on a guillotine with thie article, it's not as if the info in it isn't known or controversial.
Unfortunately, you can lead a horse to an article, but if they have limited understanding or ability to extrapolate .... (@hilde45 - your fantastic article is skin deep and that comment is more for the others who I have already addressed this with)
Most vaccines, on the other hand, are administered before infection and limit replication, which minimizes evolutionary opportunities.
It is like this is a good thing.
“I think the scientific community is becoming increasingly aware that vaccine resistance is a real risk,” Kennedy said.
Given all the discussion about the effectiveness of Covid vaccine X on the variant of the day, I would say vaccine resistance is of high awareness. This sounds like a disgruntled researcher.
You people realize the alternative is death right?
You do realize that vaccinated people, the ones that live, get less sick, have less viral load, and are sicker for shorter periods of time. You do understand that means FEWER VARIANTS. I posted a relevant quote above. I will post it again, maybe it will sink in this time. If you don’t understand it, keep reading it till you do.
“The fact on which he bases his argument is that mutations can change epitopes that the immune system has learned from the vaccination, and this gives some selective advantage to the virus. Consequently, in his mind, this would ‘create’ new, more dangerous variants,” he said.
However, Stoilov pointed out that “selection does not cause new variants to emerge; it merely selects some of them.”"
We have been using leaky vaccines forever. Every vaccine has been leaky. But over time, we eliminate the disease. Yes, new variants will come out, but they would come out without the vaccine as well, the difference is more people would die along the way. A critical fact you seem to be missing. Ditto you are missing the key factor of we treat the sick leading to higher elimination of even variants.
This is a serious article from the serious quanta magazine not " the athantic"..
It is just an example...Of what i speak about concerning the insane politic of FORCED mandate vaxx of all people even children by Fauci...
i will not accept that an idiot call me anti vaxx or anti mask... Is it clear?
This is WHAT TO DO:
A) Wise vaxx policy worldwide (NOT ONLY FOR THE RICH north american )of ALL person at risk ONLY, on a voluntary and informed basis .. Guess why? For a clue read the article...use your brain,forget politic ...
B) Early low cost treatment for the others, WORLDWIDE, They EXIST...Guess why they are suppressed?
@yuviarora I can clearly see what you mean 🤯 Do you mind if I send you a private message? It is pretty scary how people are acting in this thread, its uncomfortable 🙏🙏
Yup, knowledge is a scary thing. It is easier to believe what you want, it takes less effort. Then you end up in the hospital with Covid wishing you had gotten vaccinated.
You know I've been thinking to myself lately I haven't seen egregious Covid misinformation on this site for some time. And I start to peruse a thread about electricity and what do I find? @yuviaroraour resident anti-vaxx pseudoscientist spouting more whacked conspiracy theories than one could shake a stick at. I won't say it's good to see you still hammering away at your nonsense but you're now seen.
@mahgisterjust hang in there, everything that you are struggling to get these people to understand, they will experience it first hand.
I truly wish that did not have to be the case, but such is life.
Try to look past all the noise, as we still have a very important part to play in the world to come :) Don’t take any of this to heart, try to think of them as wayward children, they don’t know any better.
Impossible to talk with child "gif" poster and insults...
i dont speak with gif and insults...
And people who cited the atlantic with an article payed to destroy an indivudual, a real scientist to gain a point and pick two name of doctors in a list who are not epidemiologist to gain "a point" in a discussion...Ridiculous...Have you forgot why i post this list? it is because of your affirmation that i am a nut case and an antivaxx...None of these scientist are nut case or anti vaxx... PERIOD...
And your argument about Mullis is wrong... He know what he talked about i read his book...And you know nothing about PCR .. He created it and win the Nobel for it....I will keep Mullis explanation ...
And it is impossible to discuss with people who dont recognise the actual censorship anyway...
And terminate most of their post by insults because they KNOW...
I am tired....
I am tired also of people anti-Trump 2 years ago who are fanatic like Trump supporters...They resemble each other too much...
@yuviarora I can clearly see what you mean 🤯 Do you mind if I send you a private message? It is pretty scary how people are acting in this thread, its uncomfortable 🙏🙏🙏
you are a very intelligent tool of the anti vax and anti mask crowd , the its political ship sailed long ago….like i said just look at the death rate by county data and how they voted…gee maybe that third Nobel will come from proving they died early from cancer…..
Like i said, team zero compassion….you know the line…they were old, they were fat, etc…
BTW, i expected better from you @magistera real lover of music….surely you know Ellis Marsalis…. ?
i am a robot …..with tears for the losses..they are many
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