and starting a second thread to continue belly aching after people here tell you have no proper basis for complaining is bad form... 👎👎👎
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This guy made the same complaint in 2019:From the OP profile. Neg feedback on him as a buyer.This guy is a serial complainer! FeedbackFromNegative Made a low offer on listing which was accepted. Unit listed as near mint for cosmetic and working condition. Buyer complained of cigarette smell after receiving the unit and wanted to return even though unit works and looks like new as listed. I was unaware of the odor or would have noted in the listing. However listed stated no returns and buyer forced the issue through PayPal. Buyers negative feedback indicates smoke damage which is an outright lie as there is no damage whatsoever. Unit could have been easily cleaned to remove odor which buyer was unwilling to do. Unreasonable to expect a used 12+ year old piece of equipment to not need cleaning of some sort. ---Seller: ak****0 0 0.0%on December 28, 2019 10:54am |
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You have zero feedback on USAM, but it has two purchases listed for you on their website…. Unusual at a minimum. I’ve been on USAM it’s older parent sister site, CAM, for 16 years and it is a generally very well-run forum every bit as good as AGON . It’s moderators are excellent “no-sh*t” and fair operators…full stop. Feedback doesn’t get removed capriciously and it’s invoked as a last resort when forum rules are contravened. No, there is not a blanket cohort of “other” audiophiles having the same problem as you. |
I buy nothing from these website because I don’t want trauma of deal with this kind of people. Go to dealer and negotiate like real man to man and tell what you want and you get it. You buy use pants? I don’t want someone else problems and kharma coming to my house no thank dealing with some these people like dealing with city bum. |
Tominnj, it’s clear cigarette smoke is unacceptable to you and a real point of contention. It appears you’ve had this same issue on previous purchases. With this being such a high priority for you in used equipment selection do you ever ask a seller if the piece of equipment you are interested in purchasing has ever been exposed to cigarette smoke? If not, why? |
You no say this guy smoke like a 60’s waitress. That filthy habit and show nervous mind and now you probably make that guy smoke even more. He just sitting there like stupid deer waiting for negative feedback come up in his mail. What the guy name? I once date girl that smoke heavy but she real nice. I still feel that when I get near smoke but nasty habit. |
So, your sole reason for not wanting it was that it was stinky. Ok. Understandable. But, that is the chance you take when buying used, especially when you made the deal knowing it was a no guarantee, no return deal. arch2 makes a good point; if it’s that important to you, why didn’t you ask if it came from a smoke free environment? Now, if you, prior to purchase asked the seller if it came from a smoke free home and he told you yes, then you would have a legitimate beef. But you didn’t. So you don’t. |
I feel like on side of op a little with issue. Addict lie and guy that sold it addict to smoke. Some say not his fault he have disable but he know amp would not have sold if put “smoke like coal miner” on ad. Maybe the guy ashamed and need help. Invite him to conversation you have email tell him we help him. |
No I did not ask the seller if the cd player smelled like cigarette smoke. He did not mention anything in his ad about cigarette smoke. I did not ask because I trust people, and I believe they will do the right thing. My stupidity. I got burned twice on that website with cd players that smelled like cigarette smoke. A piece of audio gear can be made of 24kt gold, but if it smells like cigarette smoke it's not worth one red cent to me. |
You didn't ask because you trusted him to do what? Did he lie to you in any way? Was the player not as described? Did it not look as described? Did it not function as described? Did you not understand you were buying it with a no return stipulation? Did you know I learned to tie my shoes when I was three? Did you know female killer whales experience menopause and some turtle species can breathe through their butt? |
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tominnj, seeing as how you have had bad experiences with cigarette smoke and you’ve never asked about it before your previous purchases do you think it might be a good idea to start asking about that with future purchases? Or do you want to continue risking it? Not verifying the condition doesn’t make you stupid. What would be stupid is not learning a lesson from it. |
You guy work out very well by use Socrates technique. I rather involve seller since we all feel like he still dishonest man hiding in shame of bad habit like smoke. It my hope that he cleanse self and become better audiophile and some day out “no smoke” on ad and that truth.this site bring tear of joy to me eye when thing go well and people learn. Op should apologize to seller and spend night listen to Pink Floyd to let go sadness. |
Once again, tubebuffer’s superior insight has hid the mail on the bed. That poor seller is fighting a losing battle against addiction, which has spiraled to the point where he must sell his beloved stereo equipment to feed his insatiable smoking habit. One can only assume that once that is all sold off, it won’t be long before his lucky Earnest Hemingway man capris will be up for sale. And all the OP can do is crab about a box that does not meet his olfactory specifications. For shame OP. For shame... |
real man only smoke filterless marlboro, no, even better, indonezian java kretek, right down to tip, while lift weights, while lookee azz on hot wife at healt klub - like hans and franz pumpin up .... yaaahhhh but real man also never lie, tell truth always, even if truth damn ugly, unless of course he is damm weak azz addict wreek cig smoke and drop coke dust outta noze, drip drip dry powder snot - but u know trutt sometimes still hurtz like the buyer just stoopid, soooo care smelly smelly cig smoke all over old cd spinner, but he no askee question, get what he deserve -- now he come here, stinky stinky all over a-gon so many treads, now we all hate the stink, you learn lesson now??? franz out |
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"Did you know I learned to tie my shoes when I was three?" No, but isn't that 'precious' to know....thanks for sharing....;) "Did you know female killer whales experience menopause...." That may explain 'Moby Dick', but does indicate male bias of the era... "... and some turtle species can breathe through their butt?" ...which does explain some comments posed on some individuals' behaviours; i.e., 'talking out ones' *ss', 'blow it out your *ss', 'shove it up your...' Damn....I learn so much on AG that I'd never, Ever expected....😏 |
This is very strange to hear. I have bought used audio gear over the years, so many different pieces. Not one has had the smell of cigarette smoke or anything else. Have I just been lucky? I guess I’ll know to ask from now on. I must say, however, that some of the funniest posts I’ve seen in a long time are on this thread, so thank you OP for that. |