This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?
I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?
You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?
I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?
I was not kidding at all. Your description of what you heard was quite impressive. I mean, it seemed that differences were impressive to the point of disbelief when reading about them. As you described it in a way I simply did not have enough imagination to translate it to myself (instruments feeding off of each other, or something like that), I thought I could ask. I really have no clue what that meant although it seems clear that it was something good. The part about karaoke machine was what first came to my mind when I read that just one of the instruments disappeared. I have never heard anything similar so I am curious. I could understand, better to say that I can accept, that some instrument disappeared as I could imagine how it sounds then, but that feeding part I just could not grasp. Presence, I got.
Since I posted my last response to you, I noticed that you changed your previous post to include MG's OP. You are right, I took them seriously and I abide by them. He started with "This isn't meant to start the fight" and I have been successfully avoiding any fight here. He also ended his original post with "be polite" which I am also following to all eight letters.
>>>>I was actually referring to his admonition to those who only talk the talk when I said you probably took it personally. 😬
I do not call people crazy, cows, clowns, grasshoppers, stalkers, or anything else that freely flows in this thread. I try to stay within the topic discussed, even if it is not always related to the original post.
I was mistaken Michael told me the instrument is an oboe not a flute. He played me two recordings so I could identify the difference. My apologies to Mr. Holliger.
I'm also sorry glupson I thought you were kidding me. After the adjustment and settling the "oboe" didn't stick out over the other instruments.
Since I posted my last response to you, I noticed that you changed your previous post to include MG's OP. You are right, I took them seriously and I abide by them. He started with "This isn't meant to start the fight" and I have been successfully avoiding any fight here. He also ended his original post with "be polite" which I am also following to all eight letters. I do not call people crazy, cows, clowns, grasshoppers, stalkers, or anything else that freely flows in this thread. I try to stay within the topic discussed, even if it is not always related to the original post.
"Stalker alert! Obviously a disengenuous stalker of the cheap innocent loaded question variety. And just as cheap innuendo."
Not every question is meant to be as malignant as you seem to perceive them. Some are just simple questions. My question to jf47t was one of them. Asking about something I could not understand at all. I am not sure how it came to you considering me a stalker for just asking a question, but I will file it "under strange but whatever" as you suggested.
Making contradictory statements renders either of those statements potentially incorrect and therefore not worth considering in any discussion. What life is contradictory to means nothing in this case, if that statement itself is even true.
It would be helpful to know how true audiophiles define themselves.
I am not sure what grasshoppers you are referring to.
>>>>I suggest filing this whole exchange under strange and mildly irritating but whatever. I’ll write this off as another case of someone taking MGs OP comments just a little too personally. 😬
amg56 @geoffkait Don’t insult me with your pseudo intelligence. You have no idea who i am or what my system is. Your presumption is way off the mark. I choose not to grandiose myself with blather that you carry on with.
>>>>You’re right, I don’t know you and I don’t know what your system sounds like. I already said as much. Call it an educated guess. Besides, how do you know I’m way off the mark? You have no idea where I’m coming from.
There aren’t too many audiophiles who doubt their system is all that. - old audiophile axiom
"All the instruments were now feeding off of each other with equal presence."
I am totally inexperienced in this jargon. Is there a way you could explain to someone not adept at that lingo what this sentence really means? Also, did I understand it correctly that on your second listen the flute was not heard anymore? Seems like a karaoke machine of some sort.
Stalker alert! Obviously a disengenuous stalker of the cheap innocent loaded question variety. And just as cheap innuendo. 🤡
If you are still around here, I would like to report to you on first impressions from my own little tuning/tweaking experiment. Partially intrigued by this thread, I bought new XLR cables. It was at least 20-fold price difference between old ones and new ones ($15ish to allegedly $350). My new cables appeared new, but were used. There were a couple of noticeable differences between them. New ones are much more inconvenient. They are hard to bend and I had to move the rack further away from the wall for them to fit behind. They are harder to hide there, too, as they follow their own form which likes to stick to the side somehow. Another difference was that new ones look like a much more substantial product. They walk the walk when it comes to appearance. As far as sound goes, there was an impressive lack of difference. Not for better, not for worse.
I think they were worth the price for me. I had my opportunity to try for myself and, much more importantly, I bought them mostly for the looks which they do deliver better than the cheap ones. On the other hand, I bought them for the looks but find them inconvenient because they are now more visible than the old ones. I will have to discuss that one with myself or some professionally-trained expert on split-personality disorders. At least I know that, if I decide to go back to the old cheaper cables, I will not be missing anything in the sound department. Probably, others would have a different ownership experience, but this is mine.
Making contradictory statements renders either of those statements potentially incorrect and therefore not worth considering in any discussion. What life is contradictory to means nothing in this case, if that statement itself is even true.
It would be helpful to know how true audiophiles define themselves.
I am not sure what grasshoppers you are referring to.
“...lumbering up the narrow winding mountain road read..."
"Eggs ackly! No path. No road. No Nirvana. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news." Which one should I consider correct statement? The one in which the road exists or the one claiming that the road does not exist? They are contradictory.
>>>>Life itself is often contradictory, grasshopper.
I am sure that true audiophiles know what "true audiophile" means. The problem is that nobody else knows it. A secret club for those who think very highly.
>>>>Eggs ackley. It’s a secret club, grasshopper. Now you’re getting smart.
"All the instruments were now feeding off of each other with equal presence."
I am totally inexperienced in this jargon. Is there a way you could explain to someone not adept at that lingo what this sentence really means? Also, did I understand it correctly that on your second listen the flute was not heard anymore? Seems like a karaoke machine of some sort.
“...lumbering up the narrow winding mountain road read..."
"Eggs ackly! No path. No road. No Nirvana. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news."
Which one should I consider correct statement? The one in which the road exists or the one claiming that the road does not exist? They are contradictory.
I am sure that true audiophiles know what "true audiophile" means. The problem is that nobody else knows it. A secret club for those who think very highly.
@geoffkait Don't insult me with your pseudo intelligence. You have no idea who i am or what my system is. Your presumption is way off the mark. I choose not to grandiose myself with blather that you carry on with.
I am confused. There is no road, there is no path?
>>>>Eggs ackly! No path. No road. No Nirvana. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Geoffkait: “As the bumper sticker on the back of the 18 wheeler 🚛 lumbering up the narrow winding mountain road read, I may be slow but I’m ahead of you.”
From your explanation, it is a bliss not to be a true audiophile, whatever that "true audiophile" means. What I meant that it is trivial indeed was that passions get inflamed out of proportion. This thread read as a life-or-death topic and not as some hobby.
>>>>Now I think you’re getting it. Being a “true audiophile” is not all peaches 🍑 and cream 🐄. As the sign in offices of days gone by used to say, “If you’re not going crazy you don’t understand the situation.” Contentment is for cows. 🐄 Happiness is for clowns. 🤡 True audiophiles know what “true audiophile” means. Follow?
Michael was playing classical chamber music most of the day and of course said I could come by anytime. When I did the music that was playing was featuring the flute. I believe it was flute, violin, viola and cello with a sprinkling of harpsicord but the flute was taking the lead for sure. MG said "what would you like to hear differently" and I replied that it would be nice if the other instruments moved more forward and present or is that the way the recording was done? "the playback can be almost anyway you want it to be, the content is all there" he said. Michael looked through a drawer of blocks and picked out 4. He placed them underneath the crossover and immediately the flute moved 2 feet back into the mix and mellowed and the strings became fuller featuring the mid and bottom tone of the instruments more. He said give it about an hour to fill in but I was already happy with the change. I went about my day and called to see if MG had moved on from that recording he said no he wanted to see where the settling ended up. I popped in upstairs to give a quick listen. I stayed for the whole recording hunting for the flute solo it wasn't there. All the instruments were now feeding off of each other with equal presence. I have to admit I asked MG if he had switched recordings "nope just let it settle in after the mechanical change". That was another WOW moment for me.
I am confused. There is no road, there is no path?
@amg56
As the bumper sticker on the back of the 18 wheeler 🚛 lumbering up the narrow winding mountain road read, I may be slow but I’m ahead of you.
From your explanation, it is a bliss not to be a true audiophile, whatever that "true audiophile" means. What I meant that it is trivial indeed was that passions get inflamed out of proportion. This thread read as a life-or-death topic and not as some hobby.
7. Someone may read your website. Have a good understanding of it.
8. Things are trivial indeed. It is all just about electronic reproduction of music.
9. Always remember that it is good to have someone ahead of you, no matter how slow he may be. He will clear the road for you and you can learn from his mistakes so you do not go the same way.
geoffkait,
What road was that 18-wheeler on?
>>>>There is no road. There is no path. There is no Audio Nirvana. Didn’t you get my memo? In order to evaluate WHERE you ARE in the overall context of things one must know HOW he got there and HOW to get WHERE he wants to go. Therein lies the Big Secret. The unspeakable. Things are only trivial if you aren’t a real audiophile. Obviously things are trivial to the guy under the bridge. Don’t ask, don’t tell.
I may be in front of your 18 wheeler. Don’t presume that there are people on this thread that are not way ahead, but on their own path.
The mistake on this thread was exactly your presumption made by MG the OP. There are plenty of Audiophiles well ahead on the "road". MG’s opinion of what path may lead he and followers to his Audio Nirvana may not suit other Audiophile’s for whatever reason and that is just fine.
The most important thing is to ENJOY your path....
>>>>An audiophile is judged by his words. Obviously I cannot be there to hear your system. As much as I dislike judging where people It’s been my experience that a great many people, even those of high age and long experience, are quite oblivious to ANY path and uncertain where they ARE or where they are GOING.
I’m going to go out on a limb and I hate to judge before all the facts are in but I’m guessing you probably fall into that category. You know, just judging by what you write. Your words. I suspect you’ve probably been following the wrong.....you know.
🐑 🐑 🐑
You said, “The most important thing is to ENJOY your path.” I say ignorance is BLISS.
7. Someone may read your website. Have a good understanding of it.
8. Things are trivial indeed. It is all just about electronic reproduction of music.
9. Always remember that it is good to have someone ahead of you, no matter how slow he may be. He will clear the road for you and you can learn from his mistakes so you do not go the same way.
I may be in front of your 18 wheeler. Don't presume that there are people on this thread that are not way ahead, but on their own path.
The mistake on this thread was exactly your presumption made by MG the OP. There are plenty of Audiophiles well ahead on the "road". MG's opinion of what path may lead he and followers to his Audio Nirvana may not suit other Audiophile's for whatever reason and that is just fine.
The most important thing is to ENJOY your path....
So, gentle readers, what’s the take away from this thread so far?
1. Don’t use audio forums to promote your products unless you’re willing to put up with all the drama.
2. Be sure to answer all demands for explanations of claims even if you haven’t made any claims. Otherwise you will pay dearly.
3. Be prepared to stick around 24/7 to answer questions. They can get very impatient.
4. Disregard the disengenuous and loaded questions.
5. Always be prepared for snide comments from the Peanut Gallery. They will trivialize every topic and ask incessantly, why can’t we just enjoy the music? They will Dog you like a pack of snarling poodles. 🐩 🐩 🐩
6. Be prepared to answer a variety of questions on almost any topic from quantum physics to black holes to why we can’t all be happy and content and stop worrying so much.
Ok, I’m outta here. Said all I’ve wanted to say (to say the least!)
I do hope Michal considers more carefully how he wants to promote his ideas here in the future, and re-considers his mode of discourse with people who ask questions that challenge his arguments and claims. Don’t be so ready to cast honest inquiry into the role of "troll." That’s never going to be a good strategy for conversation.
And just as important at least, I hope some people reading the thread have found some merit in my concern about how we approach discussing our beliefs with others who don’t share those beliefs. That we shouldn’t automatically infer negative motivations, give a good go at giving someone the benefit of the doubt, and as much as possible at least give the effort to understand the other person, and clarify our own position when asked, and respond to arguments, not simply characterize the other person.
Once again: Not my intention to "debunk" Michael Green’s products. Even though I may withhold belief in some of the claims (because I haven’t see good evidence for them), other products seem very interesting - tunable speakers, room tuning, etc, are intriguing.
I wish success for Michael (would never wish otherwise for most people).
As for "Tuners" here, I hope you will not look down on others who have different priorities or approaches in this hobby, or who even may be skeptical of some of MG’s claims, as "not walking the walk" or "not doing the hobby" or that someone asking questions of a skeptical nature are therefore "faking it." If you are super happy with your own process, that’s wonderful. Want to tell others about it? Great! But wishing to share these ideas needn’t require evangelizing to the detriment of how other people are finding satisfaction. No need to tell other people they are not "walking the walk" or "doing the hobby of listening" or whatever. Someone may voice skepticism, while still having his/her own deep relationship with high end audio, and lots of their own experiences to draw upon. And if you follow their other posts you will often see they are not "bad/trolls" but are actually helpful contributors to this site.
If YOU enjoy tuning via the MG method, more power to you! Sounds like you are having fun and are really satisfied and that’s great for you. Happy Listening!
“Does anyone else here think it unreasonable to ask a Michael Green devotee how the Tuneland forum would react to a post with the character of the one Michael made here?
I doubt it.
Is anyone here, at this point, surprised that a Michael Green devotee evaded, evaded and evaded again answering this reasonable question?
I doubt it.”
>>>>I don’t see what you’re getting all worked up about. I thought the fellow (Jay) from Tuneland did an excellent job explaining how Tuning works. Where’s the beef? 🍔 This is just another scene straight out of 12 Angry Men.
amg56 Not to be combative but I suspect you might have misread my statement. I said there is no audio Nirvana. By that I mean there is no Absolute Sound. This concept of No Absolute Sound is closely linked to the concept of the Audio Hierarchy I described somewhere the other day.
Made the scene Week to week Day to day Hour to hour The gate is straight Deep and wide Break on through to the other side Break on through to the other side
Sounds to me like some of the combatants, especially the more vociferous ones, are pretty satisfied with the status quo, in a self congratulatory kind of way. 🙄 One can’t help wondering why they’re here still demanding answers. If you’ll pardon me for saying so they don’t seem to fit into the definition of audiophiles desperate or at least striving for better sound. For some folks like your friend and humble scribe there is no stopping place. There is no audio Nirvana. You need look no further than the fuse threads and the new Graphene contact enhancer thread to get a glimpse of the future. Well, maybe not your future, but the future for more uh, active audiophiles. 😬
@jf47t or Michael or who ever you are pretending to be. Your answers are becoming more like a personality change. Quite erratic.
I didn't contribute to this post to be told the OP didn't want to talk, and we were not walking as he expected us to viz the title "Talk but not walk?"
If you/he can't deal with a push back, asking questions of your/his "technique" then perhaps the provocative opening to this thread, telling readers that they are "Faking" ""IT"", should not have been made. Is it any wonder why quite intelligent people here are asking for an expansion of ways we can "UN-FAKE IT"?
It was you who said
"Prof amg or whoever your getting angry at a guy who is doing nothing more than tuning a guitar. Michael might as well be tuning a piano, guitar or any other instrument or a stereo."
I simply asked in the same analogy, show us. To which you flippantly told me to find out my self. Are you running out of ways you can answer an honest question with out being evasive?
Enjoy your tune life. I'll enjoy mine hugely. At least I will be able to commune with people who wish to partake with intelligent responses.
The idea of "tuning" my system continually per song, or even per album, is a complete turn off to me. I don’t want listening to music to become that much work! To me, that isn’t to enhance the listening experience; it’s to detract from letting the music take over.
Earlier, I finished listening to Goblin’s Tenebrae soundtrack (followed by some Fever Ray) on vinyl and it was bloody GLORIOUS. Not only did it sound incredible - full, gutsy, organic, spacious, palpable, toe-tapping - but the music gave me a plastered on grin for the full album. It was heaven for a soundtrack fanatic like myself. (The Fever Ray LP also: incredible!)
I didn’t feel the need for a moment to tweak anything and I’m glad I didn’t! Everything sounded wonderful. Could I have made some of it sound different? Sure. But I wanted to listen to music, not continually think about how I can "tune" my system to make things sound different.
But...well...gee...since I wasn’t "tuning" I guess I don’t get to say, like MG does, that I was engaged "in the hobby of listening!"
Drat. Not in that rarified club.
Oh wait...maybe I am, because MG actually told everyone earlier that EVERYTHING we do with our system is performing a tweak, even choosing a component or turning it on.
Well then. I guess I AM in the club of listeners. I’m "walking the walk."
But then, wait, if EVERYONE is engaged in tweaking....who is it again who actually ISN’T engaged in "the hobby." If we take MG seriously that we are all tweaking when listening to our system....how can any of us not be "doing it" vs just "talking about it?" If we are all tweaking, then everyone on this forum is "walking the walk" of empirical experience. So...who are the fakes again?
Puzzling questions to be sure. But you have to wait until the Guru is in the right mood before being graced with the answers. And be sure not to be too uppity and question the answers. That gets The Guru mad - no more answers for you! ;-)
BTW, this idea of recordings have a "code" to unlock and tune for - aside from being what seems to be just semantic flourishes on the unremarkable idea that you can do things to make many recordings sound better (hell, mastering itself is predicated on this), it may be desirable to some audiophiles, but it’s also anethema to many aspects of music and sound production (I work in post production sound - and have my work mixed in many varied, millions-of-dollars mixing theaters).
In this case you really do have to have some concept of "accuracy" where you aren’t "tuning" your system to the defects of any track, or particular sound etc. You really NEED to control variables - that is have a consistent and unvarying sound in your playback system (hence most are professionally constructed for accuracy, rooms pinked by acousticians etc) because you NEED to hear the differences, and deficiencies that actually ARE characteristic of a recording. If dialogue for instance is thin - on the recording! - you WANT to know it, and have it sound thin on your reference system, so you can correct that problem. You won’t want to re-tune your system to make it sound better - leaving the recording itself unchanged - as if changing your system has "revealed" the code in the recording. That is a recipe for disaster! And the FACT it’s a recipe for disaster actually calls in to question the very claim of there being this "code" to unlock, as if every recording is potentially a good one, in the first place.
The other thing is that the Tuners continually depict themselves as "listeners" and just off listening to music all the time...you know..unlike those "audiophiles" who spend all their time thinking about their equipment.
Except...whoa...have you seen the systems of some of these tuners? Components all taken apart, strewn around sitting on wood blocks between the speakers etc? And we think some of OUR systems are a wife’s nightmare! ;-) . And of course...they are tuning, tuning, tuning.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that ;)
Anyway, if people want to continuously "tune" their system via MG’s methods and find it gratifying I say MORE POWER TO YOU. I’m not about calling any other audiophile’s pleasure "not walking the walk" or "not doing the hobby" or whatever. No, that would be arrogant on my part. And I don’t go in for the common audiophile tit for tat "you aren’t really into the music, I’M just in it for the music!" Because you know what? Most of us have to admit we don’t just love music, but have an interest in sound quality and high fidelity equipment and getting the best sound we can manage. If some people tilt more towards tweaking and being really in to playing with the equipment side of things there’s nothing wrong with that! Whatever floats our boats. But it’s disingenuous for some people to try to pretend they are more "into the music listening" - as if it’s some audiophile version of being more pious - than other people, all the while clearly spending much time and thought on the hardware and set-up side of their hobby.
I do not think it is unreasonable to ask anything, but it may be overly optimistic to expect for someone to know some answer.
The only way to figure it out is posting on Tuneland forum and seeing the response. Responses in this thread surprised me many times so I would not underestimate people on Tuneland forum either. It may be, it almost certainly is, a fan club of sorts, but you never know who you may find there. Some of us on this thread are a far cry from having a logical right of being on an "audiophile" forum and here we are.
Does anyone else here think it unreasonable to ask a Michael Green devotee how the Tuneland forum would react to a post with the character of the one Michael made here?
I doubt it.
Is anyone here, at this point, surprised that a Michael Green devotee evaded, evaded and evaded again answering this reasonable question?
I am far from being a rabid audiophile and understand that people have different passions and desires to dedicate effort and time to something. However, I find it hard to believe there is any significant number of people who change amplifiers for different CDs. Maybe once, twice, while playing with it on some Saturday afternoon, but on a daily basis it cannot be true. I would expect that most of the people have their amplifier and play music through it after pressing on/off button without doing much else. I may be wrong about it, that is definitely true. It may be possible to change sound by whatever means tuning works, but to do it even for each CD seems like a lots of work and time.
Out of curiosity, what is the price you quoted as "1/5 the price"? Many people have very expensive equipment and some do not. That Bell Curve is so huge that I really do not have an idea about a ballpark figure.
"Not for me" is not that important although you guessed it right. Still, I would like to once hear what it is all about. Maybe I get impressed. More important is that I still think that having to make continuous adjustments is at least time-prohibitive for many who would otherwise be interested. Maybe, if someone would invent auto-tuning room that changes automatically based on the recording properties, the world of tuning would take off.
If there are really no bad recordings, why do they sound bad through the headphones? There should be no room issues involved. It is pretty inconvenient to tune/tweak ear canals.
Hi Glupson per whole cd as the engineers usually make each full playback source a package. Some best hits you will find the song have different settings but for the most part if you tune to the LP your good to go. It’s very much like adjusting a turntable slightly per vinyl. Or you can set the tune to one particular sound and leave it till you want to make a change.
You say not for you? OK next time you change out an amplifier think about it. Or as far as that goes anything in your system. Tuning is much more practical and easier than HEA plug and play and you end up with better sound and sound the way you want it on your whole music collection.
Beats the heck out of never quite being content with a piece of music or a piece of gear. One system and your done. Pretty appealing to me. Oh and for about 1/5 the price. Not for you? That’s cool no harm done.
We live in a cool place just off the strip on the edge of the Arts District in Vegas. There are 4 audiophiles and a few other musicians that all live within a few feet of each other. This whole area is basically an entertainment hub and Vegas is pouring a lot of money into making from Sahara to downtown one giant arts center. Lots of music playing all the time and when MG moved in we all got systems and it's been one big listening party ever since. Many times MG doesn't even lock his door folks come in and jamm out, it's a cool hang. It's gated of course with good security. It's been nicknamed TuneLand on the Strip. I think MG's going to put in a tunable room here which will probably be open to anyone.
Oh my, slow down. Your posts eventually come across as anti-Michael Green. It is sure that you are having fun there and all is well, but to undecided your idolizing posts become off-putting. Do Michael Green some favor, slow down.
"Now I realize that each recording can and should be tuned in as an individual set of values."
That is really unfortunate as it becomes a playground only for those who either sell adjustments for living or have absolutely nothing else to do in their lives. I will accept your statement, but for most of the people whose day has only 24 hours, adjusting a system for each song becomes irrelevant possibility. Who on Earth would, if the premise is true, ever want to go down the road of tuning? It seems like a completely useless opportunity. I do not doubt that Michael Green is the master of it, but now I have thoughts about futility of such a thing.
So, are you able to answer my question about how tuneland would react to such a thread as I described?
Can you find it in yourself, just for a moment, to honestly answer questions?
(And...out of curiosity....do you live with Michael or something? Because your posts are getting kind of weird in the access you continually seem to have to whatever Michael is doing and what is going on at his house. )
That thing at the top of your page. You type in "how to tune a guitar" now click on videos and it will take you to about a hundred or so videos on tuning a guitar. Now if you choose to pick another instrument simply type in that instrument and it will tell you how to tune it. Let us know what you learn.
Oh lets see what are all these magazines laying around Michael's place. What do I see some over 200 reviews and articles. Oh my what a cult lol.
Bound for sound
Stereophile
TAS
In Terms of Music
Positive Feedback
Rolling Stone
Better Homes & Garden
CCM
Video Magazine
Audio Magazine
Sounds Like newsletter
Audio Adventure
Hi Fi News and Record review
Soundstage
MMR
Widescreen Review
…...would you like me to keep going LOL It seems like there are quite a few who belong to this cult. Yep that Harry Pearson was a little demon because he tuned with MG and again.....should I go on LOL
Hm Prof how many reviews and articles have been written about you exactly? Oh and I do have another question why is it you and amg don't use your real names for your username. LOL are you guys perhaps in your "safe space"? Yep, you guys are absolutely being internet trolls. Hiding behind your keyboards LOL. Congratulating each others trolling as if your convincing folks that Michael is not a good guy. Michael is in hiding because he's been to busy dealing with clients all weekend. Aren't you boys all that LOL. Oh no I used caps with my LOL, that means I'm laughing at you out loud. If you can't lighten up than the rest of the audio world can have a good laugh "watch out it's the tune your instrument cult". I was talking to MG just now and he said "Hi". Got some tunes to go listen to.
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