|
Hi Veerapaneni, you should have heard an improvement through such a pre-amp as yours--can you describe the rest of your system?
I plan on getting the Blues for my Maggies, but happy at this moment, as described above. But seriously folks.......I am hoping Almarg and peers will answer my question about AC mains and the functions of their fuses, as I am quite surprised with the sonic gift they are providing. |
I got blue fuse for my ARC REF 5SE but don't hear any difference in sound when compared to OEM fuse. Shall I run it for couple of days before comparing again ? |
oregonpapa,
I've got a blue fuse on order for my amp. It will replace the current black one. I am already very pleased with the black. Assuming the blue is as much of an improvement as you've reported, I will be one happy camper 😁
|
@oregonpapa
RE: Gold CD, I just cued up the album on Tidal. Very nice but I wouldn't pay $600 for a CD, no way. Do you own the Gold CD or LP? I wonder if SACD for $29 would be on par with the Gold CD.
Someday I will try the SR Blue. I dropped $600 in SR Black's and HiFi Supreme's last month (6 components all together) 😊 |
^^^ Same here raul ... Its amazing how many gremlins lurk in our listening rooms, electronics and equipment racks. Their goal is to smear the sound. Over the past two years I’ve made a concentrated effort to kill as many of the gremlins as possible. The SR fuses have been a big help. So have the Herbie’s tube dampeners and the SR room treatments. The new BLUE fuses have brought everything up to a new, and unexpected level. I was just listening to Charlie Mingus’ "Tijuana Moods." I don’t care what others are saying ... they were in the room. *lol* http://www.ebay.com/itm/LSPCD-2533-CHARLIE-MINGUS-TIJUANA-MOODS-CLASSIC-RECORD-GOLD-CD-FACTORY-SEALE...Wow ... look at the prices for some of these out of print CD's. Are they really selling for these prices or do the "sellers" suffer from delusions of grandeur? Frank PS ... Has anyone else posting here ordered any BLUE fuses? It would be nice to compare notes. |
Dear @oregonpapa : """
In other words, the best we can ever hope to hear is what entered the microphone? """
not really because no one of us or high end audio item manufacturers has total control of what happens trhough the whole recording sessions till the LP is in our hands.
So, the best we can acomplish ( some day. ) is to listen what is in the recorded LP grooves.
As a fact my traget is to mantain at minimum all kind of distortions at each single link in the whole audio system/room/ears chain.
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R. |
Jay ...
Notice that I said "Hope for."
And just as a point of interest, if you could see everything that’s been done in my system to eliminate unwanted vibration, noise, arcing, etc, you’d be surprised. Not perfect yet, nor will it ever be .... but damned good as it sits.
Frank
|
oregonpapa: ^^^
In other words, the best we can ever hope to hear is what entered the microphone? :-)
Frank Less. Until that theoretical day when every component has no coloration...no noise, frequency variance, resistance, impedance, jitter, etc. |
Meanwhile, with these new SR Blacks, it got to where I had so many people playing in my living room, I had to go out the back door and come in through the front. I was hoping to switch the feeling of, "They are here" with "It's like you are there", but I was doubly confused when, upon entering, they stopped and greeted me with, "This isn't who it would be if it wasn't who it is". Man, these Blacks in my AC mains are blowing me away--to what do I owe this aural transfiguration? I did have SR Black 8A fuses in my ARC 210s, which call for a stock 7A. I had ordered some extra fuses during the three-for-two sale, so I pushed those 8A's up to 10A's. Sure, I could take a hit on ruination, but I have 240 volts at the wall anyway, meaning, I have already put my faith in that step-down transformer for 4000W of smooth power---why not push the envelope on those gatekeeper fuses--so what's with these things? Is all that power really going through those tiny filaments, or are they on a side track, ready to receive an overload off the main flow? But then, none of the amps work without those fuses, so tell me--why do these things sound so much better three amps over stock? I am just floored by yet another plateau of rich detail, and I was really only looking for something out of putting the SR Blacks in my REL Strata III's. All combined, I feel like I am there, they are here, and we are all one big metaphysical mashup--damn, this is some good sh-t......
|
Abandon all hope, all ye who hear..... |
^^^
In other words, the best we can ever hope to hear is what entered the microphone? :-)
Frank |
oregonpapa: We're only hearing what came through the microphones. This is NEVER the case. You are hearing every coloration after the microphone, including your gear, speakers, and room. The goal of an accurate reproduction means minimizing every coloration coming from your power, source player, and onwards. The source material has already gone through a boatload of colorations, after the microphone. |
theaudiotweak
The perfect room would sound like the the open air spaces of a desert or the Bonneville salt flats when no one’s racing. With no boundary effects other than salt or sand below the resulting p- wave would have little or no interference. That is the key the removal of horizontal and vertical wave interference which will return to the source thru all the attached boundaries faster than the speed of sound thru air. That is the sound of a room with boundaries. Tom
I was wondering why I kept hearing sonic booms in my room. I shall be moving to the desert ASAP. 🦂
|
We're only hearing what came through the microphones. |
I've run lots of live outdoor shows and add a little bit of stereo reverb to 'em to make them sound more natural, thus fooling the audience into thinking they're having more fun than they actually are. |
The perfect room would sound like the the open air spaces of a desert or the Bonneville salt flats when no one’s racing. With no boundary effects other than salt or sand below the resulting p- wave would have little or no interference. That is the key the removal of horizontal and vertical wave interference which will return to the source thru all the attached boundaries faster than the speed of sound thru air. That is the sound of a room with boundaries. Tom |
almarg: To some of the other recent posters: Regarding "I am there" vs. "they are here," the following thread from 2010 may be of interest, in which there was an extensive and particularly intelligent discussion of exactly that question:
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/quot-they-are-here-quot-vs-quot-you-are-there-quot
That was an interesting read. Some good points, some wrong, some missing. Thanks for posting the link! oregonpapa: Jay ...
What is the difference between transporting the recording venue into your listening room, or you being transported into the recording venue?
I'm getting sound out of percussion instruments that are unbelievable.
Frank
As far as accuracy goes, the bad would be that you are hearing the sound of your room - or some jumbled mess - in addition to the recording venue. The worst would be if you're only hearing your room, outside of audio with the greatest amount of reverb. If you are being transported to the recording venue, you should not hear your room, as any room reverb should be enforcing the reverb of the recording. |
Tom (Theaudiotweak), thank you for the comprehensive response to my previous post.
Best regards,
-- Al
|
Ceramics is an excellent natural resonator, I.e., energy dissipator; I use ceramics in at least two products. I use glass microbeads in another product ((iso stand) but the application is quite different from ceramics inasmuch as the glass microbeads are loose like sand, only more uh, slippery than sand. I’m also a big fan of the DH Diamond hardness ceramic cones. I won’t even mention The Ceramique speakers by Kharma. And we’ve all seen the advisability of ceramic body fuses on these very threads. |
AVM love that stuff as well 2005 was my intro to it, knee jerk reaction was, I am not painting that on my electronics period, was coaxed into tying it on fuses first, was so taken back with its performance, dove right in. Not cheap $2000 a liter, but nothing compares. Anything since is chasing his ground breaking work. 90% of what he produces is already sold
to medical equipment manufactures. That should quiet the naysayers.
I do personally know the owner became good friends over the years.
|
Mr. Perfectpathtech That may have been like the original Cascade product that went on gray and stayed that color. The new Cascade goes on purple and drys black. I feel the original and new perform slightly different..I too have painted all my subs and bookshelf speakers as well a my former SC4’s. Makes a huge difference. If you do a pair of speakers on their insides you need to keep track of how much is used in each one. You do this to maintain a balance. While this product is drawn into the wooden material it also disrupts certain wave types that travel on these surfaces when fully cured like concrete containing super fine aggregate. I found this product link for some that may wish to mix their own..ceramic spheres like Geoff some times speaks of and may well be used in the products you and I have both used in the past. There are many more. Tom . http://www.hytechsales.com/insulating_paint_additives.html |
theaudiotweak
A non secret, 25 years ago a friend took me to Boston to meet a eccentric
fellow by the name of Clark Johnson it made a impression that has stayed with me ever since. He sold us a big bucket of this really thick paint, called Acoust-X, I have zero affiliation with the company. It is very very cheap in comparison to its performance, I think its around $40 a gallon. It is water based, does not contain lamb fuzz or recycled sponges.
It does however contain ceramic micro spheres, cant see them so I am sure some will call it voodoo, Tell you what inside speaker cabinets, and
speaker driver frames or baskets it will take your breath away. Anyone who owns a vibraplane look underneath and see what it is coated with.
I know Totem was using it 25 years ago. Bought new subs couple years back 1st order was take them apart.
The stuff is so good I have already discussed with the wife, painting the whole sound room with it, and then reapplying the brilliant color we have now. Giant project, but well worth the effort I am sure.
|
I’m pretty sure they already have sound absorbing panels for all those places. And for work spaces. I suspect it would be pretty weird if bars were suddenly very quiet and you could actually hear what people say. Oh, well.
|
geofkait ...
Denney's goal is to go way beyond audio applications. Think of noisy bars and restaurants. Or how about small factories or hospital applications? No limit really. Check out his Facebook page. Interesting stuff.
Frank |
Oregonfrank
The acoustic paint is being applied to panels and then the panels placed on walls. Ted Denney’s Facebook page has all of the info on it. In addition to audio applications Denney wants to use it for industrial applications to dampen noise.
>>>>>Whoa! Hey, that exactly what C37 lacquer was used for, in addition to the other things I mentioned. Spruce panels or whatever could be painted with C37 and mounted on the wall.
|
Jay ...
What is the difference between transporting the recording venue into your listening room, or you being transported into the recording venue?
I'm getting sound out of percussion instruments that are unbelievable.
Frank |
^^^
The acoustic paint is being applied to panels and then the panels placed on walls. Ted Denney's Facebook page has all of the info on it. In addition to audio applications Denney wants to use it for industrial applications to dampen noise.
Frank |
Al,
You or I found Mr. Denney’s latest patent on line and posted its reference number on this thread. I don’t see any connection between any of his patents and black and blue fuses.
The latest patent has to do with an acoustic paint and is written in a typical broad and vague manner as if it was drawn for protection prior to a final operating product...TBD..like.
Using my phone right now but I think I remember something about activation by an electronic device. Could be part of the continuum of the UEF. Just thinking like I usually do on the crazy edges.
There are some old and some new methods on room or resonance control within a room or on a surface. Some of these work and are now expired patents. Most were described incorrectly from the outset and one that has worked for nearly 30 years is thought to control standing waves..when in fact it eliminates a portion of a specific wave type..
So it could be that acoustic paint formula could be activated by a transmission wave of sorts and produce a higher contrast audio event. Maybe ..kinda like movie screens have a different surface treatment to amplify light or boost contrast..or increase the viewing angle. Some screens do all three at the same time.
There are a couple new things coming one mechanical and one electronic both of which are well detailed as to why they work but need to be experienced in the first person to fully comprehend and understand..Both greatly enhance music and make for greater reality as was discussed in the link Al posted.. No paint. Tom |
@rauliruegas & @nonoise, thank you for your gracious and reasonable responses to my previous post. To some of the other recent posters: Regarding "I am there" vs. "they are here," the following thread from 2010 may be of interest, in which there was an extensive and particularly intelligent discussion of exactly that question: https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/quot-they-are-here-quot-vs-quot-you-are-there-quot@theaudiotweak, Tom, am I correct in inferring from some of your recent posts that you consider the patent question about the Blue fuse to have been answered? If so, can you explain further? The Blue’s description at the SR website states in part as follows: The new SR BLUE Quantum Fuse was developed over a two year period and represents our most advanced UEF Technology to date. At its heart is a completely new UEF / Graphene coating that delivers a dramatic increase in resolution and holographic realism over SR Black....
... At Synergistic Research we’ve isolated key factors that affect how electricity propagates by changing the behavior of electrons through Inductive Quantum Coupling methods we collectively call UEF Tech. In fact, UEF Tech is so powerful even an electrical chain several miles long is fundimentally [sic] improved with nothing more than a single fuse engineered with our patented UEF Technology. Yet none of the four patents we have determined to have been granted to Mr. Denney make any mention of fuses, UEF (Uniform Energy Field) technology, or Inductive Quantum Coupling. Regards, -- Al |
Frank
I just checked my purchase file..bought my first slug of AVM in March 2008.
Painted the inside of SC4s back in '94 with Cascade Vbloc..gallon in each speaker..that made a hugh difference to seal away all that glue and mdf.
Use the new version of Cascade as it turns from purple to black when dry. So it can be carefully applied to some baffles and bezels or inside any box. Tom
|
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
|
I think it's just a semantic thing. Do you say "I am there." or "They are here (along with the space they are performing in)."? |
My Mother (age 93) is looking forward to auditing the Blue fuse in her new Nelson Pass amplifier !
I am looking forward to a "well done- son " reply from my Mother when she hears the effects of the new fuse.
David Pritchard
Priceless! 👍 oregonpapa: Allan ...
The SR BLUE fuses are transformative. I’ve only heard the results in my system, but I’m left shaking my head. The system truly disappears leaving only the performers in the room.
And this is what concerns me, again. An accurate system should not just disappear, but transport you to the recorded/created location. If it sounds like it's in your room, you have colored your system. There is of course nothing wrong with this, as everyone should make their system sound as they enjoy. |
There’s also the audiophile C37 violin lacquer from Germany for painting capacitors, speaker drivers, printed circuit boards, fuses, wires, etc. 🎻
|
|
A material that is small and high velocity. Tom |
Do you advocate more solid soft bits or softer solid bits? And who's Bob? |
Wolf
I think the dispersion of solids would need to be smaller and more uniform than Sponge Bob residue and harder. Sorry Bob.....Tom |
Yeah man…a paint infused with discarded lamb fuzz or recycled sponges. Basis SCHMASIS!
|
|
Could be that it may take a full 8wks for the paint to cure. There are climate active paints..so why not an acoustic paint.. his patent says there is...without a formula..You could mix your own if there is any basis for that type of coating. The Enabl paint patterns work on speaker fronts and with more calculation they should work on walls. Has nothing to do with P waves. Tom |
@rauliruegas Thank you for sharing your experiences. Fuses will always be a contentious subject until someone can demonstrate to those who don't believe that they do make a difference.
One would think by now that all here are on the cutting edge. In fact, we represent mainstream thinking, at best but at least we're heading in the right direction. 😀👉
On another note, I found at another site a discussion on fuses and Lloyd Walker (the Lloyd who makes the Proscenium turntable) recommends that people try aftermarket fuses and try both directions to ensure proper rotational speed in his drive motor. The point is, one can find highly valued perspectives on both sides of this equation and point to them that they support their point of view, so it all boils down to what you hear.
All the best,
Nonoise
|
Dear @almarg @oregonpapa @nonoise and friends: Even with fuses internal circuit problems can occur and the item could be not protected against it.
My phonolinepream and amp monobloks have internally other fuses at power supply that I don’t touched.
What I did it is to hardwire with the silver Kimber Kable from the regulators directly to the input power supply on each item by-passing too the item input connectors.
I already have this kind of set up for over two years now with no failure at all and I think it will stay that way.
I had more than 40 years in audio and in all those years I never had a problem with internal shor circuit or something similar. The times that a fuse bow-up were for different reasons.
Can I have a problem in the future?, who knows but the rewards are so formidable/outstanding that is worth to take that " non-probable " risk. No fuses can gives that kind of paramount quality levels differences.
@oregonpapa you tested in that ARC that’s a more " sensitive " item to problems than my Levinson monobloks and you never had a problem.
Of course that’s up to each one of us doing what I did.
It’s so amazing that I just can’t come back to fuses, any one. Yes, my risk and is welcomed ! !
Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.
Btw, I can´t remember if was on this thread where through a link I read what D.Berning found out with his experiences with high end fuses. Self experiences and from his customers whom sended to him their electronics ( Berning amps. ) to fix it and where he found out that what damged his amps was the high end fuses that does not acomplish the electrical standards. He said in that forum that is a real risk to use high end fuses.
Unfortunatelly I don't have that link but maybe some one can remember it and share with us. |
He's saving the best (secret tweak) for last. Bring it on!
|
Selling basics .... Don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle. ;=) |
The suspense is killing me. 💤
|
Wait…you're talking about the fuse, right? |
Frank,
Thx for sharing more info on the "secret tweak", I will probably hold off on the blue fuse until the secret tweak is launched. Well, I might pull the trigger if David's mom reports a big improvement on the Nelson Pass amp:) Have a great weekend!
Allan |
David ...
Thanks for the kind words. Your Mom is going to love the Blue fuse ... and so are you. :-)
Allan ...
The SR BLUE fuses are transformative. I’ve only heard the results in my system, but I’m left shaking my head. The system truly disappears leaving only the performers in the room.
I mentioned the Kingston Trio CD’s in an above post. At one point the solo singer stands about two to three feet in front of the speakers with the rest of the group remaining back in the sound stage. Uncanny.
Is the "secret tweak" better than the BLUE fuses? I’d say they complement each other in a big way. Each is different from the other.
There is an eight week break-in for the "secret tweak," but what happens at eight weeks is amazing. At eight weeks, almost to the day, the system goes from what is left of HiFi and transforms itself into realism. Oh, and there is another breakthrough at four weeks too. Not as great as the eight week breakthrough though.
Stay tuned ... the mfg is a perfectionist and wants things totally right before its released. I don’t blame him .... he has a real winner on his hands here.
Frank |
