Swiss Digital FUSE BOX Question Thread

Anyone else try reversing the Graphene fuses? Maybe you got lucky and have them going the right way, I evidently did not.

Unbelievable how much better my system sounds now. Even the bass is more defined. Picture Snoopy doing his happy dance, or perhaps the Trump dance...?

ozzy

😎😎😎

I’ll try reversing when everything breaks in (SDFB, Piggy Tail, graphene sluggo)

If my prior experience with Graphene contact enhancer (PPT Perfect Path) is any

guide, it takes 30 - 60 days for it to reach full potential, although a different horse since PPT is a paste not vapor deposited.

my Graphene Sluggo made a noticeable jump at 20 hours just like the PPT paste, there was a  shrillness that evened out  plus expanded seperation of instruments. Hoping improvement continues. I want MORE MORE MORE!

;=)

@ozzy Due to your success I thought I would give switching direction on my Graphene Sluggos another go after not hearing a difference hours back.  Well 🤯! The sluggo in my tube preamp sound definitely improved.  The Sluggo in my tube amp I couldn’t distinguish a noticeable difference like my preamp.  I will spend some more time flipping the amp Sluggo in between eating my plate of crow!😂

Question to Mark: am I right that the box results in a 1-2 db transmission loss?

Hello and thanks for your question 

There is no loss using Swiss digital fuse box I can assure you of this 

Thank you very much for your question and I hope everybody will continue experimenting with Sluggo. 

Best holiday wishes to all 

Mark

antigrunge2,

To the contrary, I noticed much more "muscle" (dynamics) with the SFB compared to using the SR Pink fuses.

I do think that the SFB works its magic best with amps. Afterall it is replacing a hair-like wire in a fuse with a much larger diameter slug.

ozzy

I'm trying so hard to not address this thread too much and to just allow the opinions both positive and negative to flow for lack of a better word organically 

Ozzy is correct I generally ask that people start with their amplifiers first. The results are usually remarkable to most that have written me 

Fuse boxes now being sold very successfully all over the world and recently there are some marvelous reviews in Mandarin that have been posted in Taiwan that are just extraordinary 

We're very proud of fuse box and fuse box Max and it's true we do have other things coming that will really I think impress our customer base 

I really appreciate all of the opinions here and again trying very hard to not get in the way 

Happy holidays to all 

Best wishes 

Mark

@ozzy 

Agreed, what I was trying to get at is that there seems to be a very slight volume loss comparing an inserted box to a sluggo only setting. That said the benefits compared to fuses are uncontesteable

I purchased two Swiss boxes replacing Purple and Master SR fuses. They are now pretty broken in and I love them! I have a Graphene Sluggo on my Int amp and pure copper Sluggos on my field coil power supply. The copper Sluggos are definitely directional. I have not found the Graphene Sluggos to be directional in my amplifier.

The SR fuses are wonderful, but the Swiss box does not editorialize or color the sound in any way. All SR fuses have a sound and personality if you will. Using them I was forced to find the recipe or combo of fuse colors needed for my system and tastes. None of the recipe tailoring is needed with the Swiss box.

All aspects of sound quality have improved with no part of the frequency spectrum highlighted. As others have said, music has a greater sense of ease and is naturally and rightly balanced. The Swiss box improves dynamics, realism, resolution, stage size and just puts a smile on your face.

antigrunge2,

If I understand you correctly, you are saying with just the slug installed there is more volume than when you also connect up the SDFB. Interesting.

Since my amps take 20A fuses I installed the SDFB Max that outputs 20A. Perhaps that is what you may need (if the difference is significant).

ozzy

grannyring,

I only have one source (Lumin X1) going directly to my amps. With this unit I still have the SR Master fuse.

Hmmm, now I wonder if I should get another SDFB for the Lumin?...

ozzy

Well I ordered a 3rd for my Innuos Pulsar streamer. Once my new dac comes in I will order a Swiss for it! All in on these. 

My third Swiss box is now in place on my Innuos Pulsar streamer. Another gain in sound quality.  These are easily the best component/tweak upgrade I have experienced.   Just wonderful. The Audiophile’s Wife agrees 110%.  
 

For me and in my system, the Graphene Sluggos are king of the Sluggo hill. They are the most refined, natural and easeful sounding.  They make me want to listen longer. Better depth and layering.  I like the pure copper also, but the Graphene is next level.  

To further improve the Digital Fusebox combine it with a Furutech FLUX 50 NCF. unfortunately that links via 2 IECs, otherwise it’s make an excellent piggytail.

@antigrunge2 Please tell us more about this combo in terms of sonic qualities. I was not aware of this product from Furutech. 

It’s actually a passive power conditioner, crystals based and since it sits at the end point of the piwer chain particularly effective at eliminating ground level borne and EMI/RFI induced crud on the piwer line. It drops the noise floor, increases localisation within and dimensions of the sound stage as well as sharpening impulse response. And the Chinese knock offs are actually quite good.

Wow. Interesting.   Problem is this won’t  work with the Swiss Box as is without the use of an adapter 🙁.  

Quite so, lest Mark offers a,double IEC version.

I received my fusebox (w/Graphene Sluggo) last week. After a few frustrating days I reversed the Sluggo.. Ahh! There was an odd tonality and edginess to the music before the change. I've experienced this with many aftermarket fuses over the years so I'm not really surprised. I'm using the fusebox with my integrated amp only. 

Built my own adaptors replacing the cheap ones from Amazon. My goodness what a big step up in sound quality! If any of you are using the cheap adaptors you really must build a good DIY adaptor. You can buy great sounding AC plugs on Amazon from Viborg or Monosaudio. Here is a link to the Viborg offerings. You can order Rhodium, Gold, or copper. These sound as good as the big dollar ones based on my long history of building cables. You will discard the outer plastic barrels so don’t spend more money on the fancy carbon fiber or aluminum ones.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4J8DZC?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

Simply use Neotech 14 or 12 gauge solid core copper wire in Teflon as your conductor. Remove the outer barrels and hook up the the connectors back to back with short 3 or so inch lengths of wire. I soldered spades to the conductor ends for ease in assembling. Not a must. Close quarters if the conductors are cut this short, but you can cut them a bit longer if you like. Don’t do this unless you understand the proper way to assemble a power cord as you don’t want a short!

I covered with 3 layers of adhesive lined 1.5 inch diameter heat shrink (3:1). Very robust and safe. Sounds incredible and takes up very little room. Total cost per adaptor of around $50. I am able to place the Swiss box right behind my gear on a rack with these adapters in place. I place footers or wood blocks under the Swiss box for support. . Works wonderfully.

You can also use a short 3-4 inch section of your favorite bulk power cord cable. Your choice. I like the Neotech solid core conductor sound and robustness. You do need some skill and experience to build these as lining up everything can be a challenge. I used these spades to tighten down inside the AC connectors, but these are not a must. After you tighten down the connector screws and apply 3 layers of double walled, adhesive lined shrink wrap no part of this adaptor will ever move! Hard as a rock with no give or chance of any movement! 
 

https://www.soniccraft.com/product_info.php/sonic-craft-bar-spade-p-1516

@grannyring 

WOW... Color me INCREDIBLY Excited

This is a fabulous idea. I LOVE IT

Want some for myself and Peter Madnick right away. 

Super good stuff. 

Happy Holidays 

Mark 

 

So, before I venture into my own DIY project, the question I have is:

Is the SDFB better placed at the amp end or at the wall end?

BTW, I am using the AQ Dragon power cords,

ozzy

@ozzy you have some great power cords! I did this so the Swiss boxes would be neat and tidy behind my gear.  Mark says both positions are fine, but closer to the actual piece of gear seems like a small plus should protection mode be needed.  I understand we are talking about a minuscule difference. 

Thanks grannyring for your comments.

I am thinking though keeping the Dragon going into the amps will retain the "flavor" of the Dragon better.

Of course, being the never ending tweaker, I will probably try it at the (fuse box-w adapter) at the amp end too!

ozzy

Mark

I have a hard time understanding how a sluggo could be directional.  I assume there are no wires, and it is just a solid piece of Copper, silver, Graphene, or other.  I have two SDFB with Graphene sluggoos for my Aries Cerat Dac and Lucas Audio MS.  Have you done testing to verify directionality?  Personally, one of the reasons I purchased the SDFB was that I did not want to deal with directional fuses.  I have a third SDFB coming for my Aries Cerat Ageto Pre.  That requires two sluggos.  Can you imagine the contortions I would have to go through to determine the direction for each?  It does not make sense to me.  Please provide your insight.  Thx

I just installed two more SDFBS with Graphene slugos in my DAC and tube preamp. I hope they are not directional. That would be four permutations. Access is very difficult.

Sound Quality wise, do you guys think the SDFB is better placed at the amp end or at the wall end?

ozzy

Good Morning to all.

Grateful for the continuing discussions here - thanks to all of you

I will be back after Christmas to offer more. It's quite busy with orders and follow up right now. 

Have a wonderful Holiday Season - Best wishes - Mark 

So, I guess I will address my own question.

I just tried the SDFB at the amp end and although it was kinda ok I ended up putting it back at the wall end.

To me, with the SDFB at the wall end, and then having the Power cord going directly into the amp retains the sound quality of the power cord going to the amp.

ozzy

@ozzy

In my home I have SDFB at the Wall End


That said - virtually ALL of our end users in the EU and Asia go the other way.
This is mainly due to installation with NEMA Piggies

Very busy today - The tail end of an incredible Holiday Season for us.

Merry Christmas - Mark