Something strange with imaging


Hello all,

I am using a Kuzma Stabi S turntable with Stogi tonearm and Soundsmith modified Sumiko Blackbird.  I have 2 preamps I use for the player.  An EAR 864 and a Parasound JC3/JC2 combo.  I don't play vinyl often.  Something strange has been happening lately. The image has been pulling to the left.  It happens with both pre-amps. First thought was the cables from the player.  I switched the right to left an left to right.  Low and behold , the imaging was spot on, albeit reversed.  This occurs with both pre-amps. Could it be a stylus azimuth or VTA  issue?  Any thoughts?

olp88

Dear @olp88  : I think is not by cartridge/tonearm set up but could be that the tonearm wires are wired in reverse way. You can leave in that way with the cables reversed.

 

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,

R.

The image was pulled to the right but centred when the cables were reversed, not pulled to the left? Which cables and what happens when they’re returned to the original way round? Could be that swapping them cleaned the connections.

 

Hi @rauliruegas ,

I checked the tonearm wires and they are correctly attached to the cartridge. 

 

Hi @yeti42 ,

Correct.  When reversed, image centered.  Back to riginal way round , image again pulls left.

It could be two simultaneous issues. One with a table/arm/cart/cable imbalance and another imbalance with hearing or acoustics. If it sounds balanced when you turn your back to the speakers but not when you face them, it’s not acoustics, it’s your ears. Got ear wax?

Dear @olp88 :  I told you that leave that way, it's spot on with reversed cables. Whay bother about, reversed cables does not makes any harm to what you are listening.

 

Now, what could be reversed could be the tonearm internal wires but again why bother about when you are listening fine with the reversed cables.

Is up to you.

 

R.

Yup could easily be the ears and solution maybe a pro ear cleaning.  Eliminate that possibility first.  I recently had a similar problem.   Sound was  suddenly unbalanced and highs distorted.  At first I thought my hifi was maybe snuffing it but a few simple tests established it was mostly my right ear.   Got the past due ear cleaning and voila, heaven once more. 

Dear @wlutke and @mapman and any other aspiring ENTs,

Not ear wax.  That was the first thing I checked!  All other sources including CD, streaming, and reel to reel have perfectly centered imaging through the same preamps. Any other ideas?

Hard to say. I had a similar sounding case recently where I found a particular phono preamp setup I was using to convert to digital had a small hardly audible but measurable difference in output levels left to right. It was simply a minor flaw that may have developed with the device over time. I went to a different setup recently but with same cart and step up transformer, and now things measure equal left and right as they should.

So ideally it’s just a poor connection or combo of connections perhaps but always possible any device involved in signal path from the cartridge on could just be off somewhat left versus right. I’ve seen it happen on multiple occasions over the years with phono cartridges in particular.

It’s also possible more than one device in the chain has some l-r output level difference and they cancel each other one way and augment each other to be heard the other.

Not a good idea to judge channel balance with a stereo recording, because you don’t know what the recording engineer had in mind. Better to use a mono LP and listen for a centered image.

your seemingly conflicting results could reflect differences in stereo recordings.

Image position follows the tweeter, as I found out when one of mine failed.

You’ve established that the issue is somewhere before the phonostage, a dameged cable with a higher capacitance on one channel might be involved but I think it a long shot. What happens if you swap channels at the cartridge tags and the phonostage input? 

 

Try another cartridge.

 

How are you setting bias?  If you do end up sending the blackbird back to Soundsmith get them to assess the wear on the stylus and condition of the suspension. This can tell you if you’re getting it close enough.

 

@yeti42  : When the OP revered the cables everything is ok, so I don't think the cartridge could have a problem with stylus/suspension because if it had then in both situations the OP was hearing the same but in the other channel.

 

R.