So done with audiophile fuses

Nobody has to lie, insurance companies cover these things 

Of course it is not a dull place, example the self hypnosis, fuse is a fuse is a fuse is a fuse....

@nonoise

For someone called "nonoise", you actually make quite a lot of it :) Ever considered changing your user id ?

@edgewound

If it wasn't for these "entertaining" posts, audiogon would be a dull forum ;)

cakyol604 posts05-14-2021 7:55pm" You two kids just don’t seem to get it and rely now on insults and other asinine statements just to get by with now that you’ve lost all credibility."

We are simply trying to help some delusional parties who hear voices that do not exist, by trying to bring them back to reality :-)

👍
I do believe that "other's" credibility has been lost by their own ropes they've hung themselves with by trying to cite sources that they've actually not read themselves.

" You two kids just don’t seem to get it and rely now on insults and other asinine statements just to get by with now that you’ve lost all credibility."

We are simply trying to help some delusional parties who claim they hear voices which do not exist, by introducing them to reality :-)

You implied it by your "what if" scenario. It's OK...you don't mind fraud when it comes to high-end audio. Who's gonna know...😉😉?

You condone lying about it.

I did not say to lie, I said what if you were new to audio and bought a used amp that had an aftermarket fuse of a higher value. That's not lying if you didn't know. 

You condone lying about it.

Using a different, higher value fuse to get better performance from an amplifier is stupid. You might burn your house down...from what we have learned through electrical engineering.

I never said to use a higher value fuse, I said the insurance company would still pay. 

invalid177 posts05-14-2021 5:38pmWhat you are espousing is modern day blood-letting. Not very good practice. Have we not learned anything through the sciences? Or has everything just gone back to how you feel about it?

Explain to me how my comment about an insurance company paying a claim is bloodletting? Your mind works in mysterious ways.

Using a different, higher value fuse to get better performance from an amplifier is stupid. You might burn your house down...from what we have learned through electrical engineering.

Is that understandable to you? It's not that hard to figure out if you're actually paying attention.

What you are espousing is modern day blood-letting. Not very good practice. Have we not learned anything through the sciences? Or has everything just gone back to how you feel about it?

Explain to me how my comment about an insurance company paying a claim is bloodletting? Your mind works in mysterious ways.

invalid176 posts05-14-2021 4:08pmIf you cause a fire in your house one day, you will not get a penny from your insurance company if they find out, which they will.


I think you are using scare tactics, an insurance company would pay. What if you just got into audio and bought a used amp with an aftermarket fuse that was of a higher rating.

There was a time in the last 200 years when people would go to the barber when they were sick, to have the bad, infected blood drained out of their body, with the thought that the person would produce more non-infected blood and would be healed. This practice was called "blood-letting". Come to find out it didn't work too well...and the person died anyway from either anemia or increased infection...sepsis... because the infection fighting white blood cells were also drained away with the red blood cells that carry oxygen to the various organs that would keep you alive.

What you are espousing is modern day blood-letting. Not very good practice. Have we not learned anything through the sciences? Or has everything just gone back to how you feel about it? Subjectivism.

If you cause a fire in your house one day, you will not get a penny from your insurance company if they find out, which they will.


I think you are using scare tactics, an insurance company would pay. What if you just got into audio and bought a used amp with an aftermarket fuse that was of a higher rating.

So now it's deleted.
Did I forget to mention thin skinned as well as the other fine qualities?

In who's opinion? 
Someone you look up to? I can't say as I've never heard it.

Isn't Wyred the company that took a state of the art modern AKM DAC IC and managed to turn that into a $4,000 DAC that just about matched a mid 1980's Philips based DAC in performance?  

Sometimes I type too quickly.

@nonoise,

BTW, it is "loses" it, NOT "looses it".....

" Wyred4Sound had been using a circuit breaker on one of their integrated amps for some time now. A long time ago, when I considered getting one from them, I asked about a fuse upgrade and was told they'd be happy to do so for that last 5% improvement in sound. That was many years ago."

And I bet you bought it hook, line & sinker LOL.  If an amp's performance should indeed improve by simply changing the fuse, it is a clear indication that those people have no clue about building an amp in the first place..

What a load of nonsense.....

could just be the on off switch . Anyway i never had any fuze problems.     I did when i got the idea to bypass the fuze   
   So done with audiophile fuses ,,
 Sounds like you raise little girls ?

He didn't mention anything about sound. He only stated that it worked fine. No more blown fuses.

I switched from plain glass fuses to ceramic and did detect a noticeable difference.  Not earth-shattering, but noticeable.  My fuse experiment ended there.  

Until I took the fuses out of my Maggies and replaced them with like-sized sections of silver tube.  Another noticeable difference.  That's where it REALLY ended.

This is an issue of inrush current at initial turn on. I've experienced boutique fuse failure only with tube amps and preamps, ss devices have never given me a problem. You can replace with higher value and they will survive the initial current surge, have to take in account there might be warranty issues.

Yeah, sorry.  There are already nuts in earlier threads who think fuses are directional.

It also makes a difference how they are twisted in the holder.

I put a little bit of salt inside, it brings out the high frequencies very nicely.  Must draw out any dampness inside.  A damp fuse is a poor-sounding fuse.

Conditioning the fuse in the oven at 87C for 39 minutes gives a sheen on the metal end barrels that increases the front to back soundstage.  It would be interesting to try 92C for an hour - would probably be different.

............................... (insert your own nonsense)

etc, etc etc, ad nauseam.

" So let me get this straight: you cannot hear any difference between a Synergistic Orange and a ceramic Littlefuse. Okay. I can believe that. But then why were you paying money using expensive fuses that you cannot hear in the first place? "
  He paid money because he was fooled into thinking it would improve his sound by a bunch of pseudo-scientific jargonj and opinions promulgated mainly by the gullible and those who make money from the gullible. He is learning about snake oil at his own expense but at least he is learning.
  Question for you fuse nuts. Are these directional too just like cables? ;D Does it help if fuses are wrapped in tin foil or should that remain the domain of fine audio haberdashery? Should I use heavy or thin tin foil and how many wraps around the fuse? I hear tightly wrapped is a good thing, heh heh.

I use SR Orange in my Line Magnetic LM-508ia and it makes a difference. No issues whatsoever. Very happy end user. 

Wyred4Sound had been using a circuit breaker on one of their integrated amps for some time now. A long time ago, when I considered getting one from them, I asked about a fuse upgrade and was told they'd be happy to do so for that last 5% improvement in sound. That was many years ago.

All the best,
Nonoise

What is Ayre now using instead of fuses?  I googled them and came up with a picture of the back of the KX-R and it shows a standard inlet IEC with integrated fuse.

Hello,
This upgrading fuses situation is one of the reasons why  I am going with Ayre equipment. They gave up on fuses and came up with something that not only sounds better but is also more reliable. I know some houses still have fuses on the main electrical box but most who could afford it have upgraded to breakers in the electrical panel. Plus, There are even upgradable options for audiophiles like us. If you have fuses on your audio equipment and you like the way it sounds then I get upgrading to SR fuses. If you are buying new maybe consider if someone designed a better product. Would you buy a brand new house if it had an old fashioned fuse panel? I doubt it. I demoed the Ayre KX-R preamp this past week. It was amazing to say the least. Perfection does cost. At least someone finally strives for it. I hooked up a $450 TT setup to it. It sounded like I spent $2,000. The phono preamp was a Schiit Mani. Unbelievable! I checked out this gear at the new Chicagoland Ayre dealer. Here is a link if you want to listen for yourself. https://holmaudio.com/

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That's all.

Removed, just not worth it 

nonoise7,011 posts05-11-2021 10:02pm

I was waiting to see how much more ridiculous the conversation would get :-) It exceeded my expectations by a huge margin.....

You're completing your metamorphosis of sorts, to that of an insufferable troll. My, how the lowly have fallen.

Also these fusers claim there's a difference in inserted direction with an ac mains fuse.

And you can always count on old faithful to chime in. Same old tired shtick. You're gonna be a big hit with the nurses when your dementia kicks in.

All the best,
Nonoise

If you were actually witty, your comments would be less than sh*tty. You're way funnier when your not trying to be.

I was waiting to see how much more ridiculous the conversation would get :-) It exceeded my expectations by a huge margin.....

You're completing your metamorphosis of sorts, to that of an insufferable troll. My, how the lowly have fallen.

Also these fusers claim there's a difference in inserted direction with an ac mains fuse.

And you can always count on old faithful to chime in. Same old tired shtick. You're gonna be a big hit with the nurses when your dementia kicks in.

All the best,
Nonoise

Still fooling yourselves into thinking you heard a difference .....

Also these fusers claim there's a difference in inserted direction with an ac mains fuse.
Cheers George

" That seems to be your raison d'être for posting as of late."

I was waiting to see how much more ridiculous the conversation would get :-)  It exceeded my expectations by a huge margin.....

LOL... Still continuing with this crap ?

That seems to be your raison d'être for posting as of late.

LOL... Still continuing with this crap ?

Still fooling yourselves into thinking you heard a difference .....

Some of you seriously need help.  I can recommend a good audiologist and/or a psychiatrist.

...meh.

@nonoise ..."  edgewoundtootightly"? Really? 

Watch yourself, pal. 

I wouldn't do that if I were you. Some here have done that but it's not advisable.

All the best,
Nonoise

I'm in the process of modifying one of my extra amps. No fuses after the power switch. I haven't had problems blowing fuses, but it WILL be a fire hazard...

You two kids just don’t seem to get it and rely now on insults and other asinine statements just to get by with now that you’ve lost all credibility.

I don’t know about you, edgewoundtootightly, but georgie knows full well that I’ve stated stated and linked sites to high rupturing fuses that use strictly copper, silver and other highly conductive metals. They’ve been around for ages and are used in professional equipment like you’d see in hospitals. labs, military gear, aviation and space applications. They’re not expensive at all and perform at tighter tolerances than the junk georgie blows through on a constant basis.

I’ve also put it out there that some audio enthusiasts might have simply caught onto these types of fuses and began marketing them for themselves or had them made for them and/or adapted them for their own purposes, with HiFi Tuning and Mundorf teaming together to make their own line. It’s not that hard to get your head around, or is it?

That, and it’s pathetic that georgie has to cite various "laws" to support his over the top responses. Didn’t work before and it’s not working now.

All the best,
Nonoise

@georghifi....Wait to see how long until your post gets deleted....3...2...1...🤣🤣🤣😉

low cost fuses made out of a witches brew of poorly conductive metals.

This is just something someone would say that has absolutely no idea.

You need to be schooled in Ohm’s law/s, Kirchoff’s laws etc etc
They have to have a certain level of resistance, (as you say "poor conductively"), to blow at a certain amperage drawn through them. If they didn’t they would never blow!!!

I’m of the opinion that a fuse made up of metals that are on par with what you’d use in a cable are the way to go

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ OMG!! fuse has to have resistance to blow.

I’ve personally tried about 4 different brands and they all had a distinct sound

Just more fuser snake oil voodoo talk from someone who’s out there in fairy land.