Don’t understand your last post Schubert but there is one thing we are certainly in total agreement on, empathy in this country and the world for that matter, towards those suffering through no fault of their own is really wanting. Your thoughts on these matters touch my heart Schubert, I hear you.
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$85.000 & 65.000 Amps The extreme high gone nuts
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JC 1 current price $4,495 each x2 = $8,990 per pair. http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PAJC1 |
$85.000 & 65.000 Amps The extreme high gone nuts Built for the glitz queens who have money to burn, all that CNC machining custom heatsinking and chassis work goes towards most of the costs. Then you have Parasound Halo JC1’s monoblocks, cheaper case/heatsinks, circuitry innards just as well thought out, by JC. " Price: $6000/pair. Approximate number of dealers: 20. Warranty: 10 years parts, 5 years labor (US, Canada)." Read more at http://www.stereophile.com/content/parasound-halo-jc-1-monoblock-power-amplifier-specifications#TLEq... I’ve compared the $6k JC1’s against the gorgeous looking $60k Gryphon Antillion Evo on a pair of Wilson Alexia’s, after a/b’ing I "just" preferred the Gryphon but it’s 10 x the price. Cheers George |
Au contraire Schubert, I have been paying attention, and I was indeed speaking of the U.S. as a country. We all know the rich have been getting richer and the poor poorer since Reagan instituted his failed trickle-down economic policies. Even the guy who came up with the idea has disavowed it as an economic theory proven wrong. Yet, here we are back again, with the Trumpster intending to do the same. I asked "are we still?" because I’ve seen the stats from around the world. Swedes are a pretty contented bunch, even with their very high taxes. At least they get something for them! My sisters daughter lives in Germany, married to a German, and they too are happy with their system. I don’t know many Americans who are; in a few decades our educational system has become the joke of the world, our health care system is a mess, we are falling behind in moving into a future-based economy---Coal? Are you kidding me?! Thank God for music---it makes all the rest bearable. To hear it in our homes, we need hi-fi equipment. Sorry for your plight starving peoples, but my going without music is not going to change your situation. Besides, my system is far more modest than most of ya’lls---I’m a "starving" musician ;-). The only Pass piece I have is the $1500 (list) First Watt B4 x/o. |
Do tell, I was an Infantryman in Vietnam, we lost because the Generals and other officers were concerned only with their next promotion so they refused to discipline troops and were all around incompetent . Somebody had to end their party. Every officer had the same line, "not much of a war but only one we have " .ha, ha , ha ha . They did help me one way, I was a poor guy, never thought of college. I became sure of one thing, if these idiots could do it, I damn sure could and I did .Summa Cum Laude |
schubert On the richest country, yes we are as a COUNTRY, bottom 50% make less that in several dozen countriesIf you measure wealth per capita, the US is not the richest country. Not even close. If you measure a nation’s wealth by its natural resources, the US is not the wealthiest. (But we’re close.) If you measure a nation’s wealth by the size and power of its military, we are Number One. Hand's down. |
I'm with you on this one Wolf. So much suffering would be alleviated if the poorest nations as well as the richest ones, like the U.S. would use birth control and stop casual procreation. "What is the ONLY thing you can do that makes you feel good if only for a while and costs nothing." I agree with you Schubert. I often think that is the reason many of these people have children, but it's not a good enough reason to create children that you can't support. |
Same reasons you would if you had a bigger heart and made less than 2 bucks a day. You can’t buy a condom when you last penny is not really enough to fed you family. You could feed them once upon a time but in 2008 fiasco Wall Street looked around for other money besides stock market , bought up commodity firms and drove up rice so high the 2 bucks a day folks could’d afford it . Child deaths from that are estimated at 65 million .Thank you 401k, aka Wall St slush fund . What is the ONLY thing you can do that makes you feel good if only for a while and costs nothing. They love children . On the richest country, yes we are as a COUNTRY, bottom 50% make less that in several dozen countries . If you were paying attention at all you’d know all this . |
Full price is just point of reference...i mean you must be idiot to pay full price...i should not talk how much of discount i can get for all these brands in my country...markup is great, guy can give you hefty discount and still earn good money...all these brands allthough sounding good are simply overpriced... cables most.Period. |
Damn Schubert, you sure know how to ruin a party ;-). Growing up in the richest country in the world (are we still?), it's hard to not be spoiled. Not to be cold-hearted, but why do starving people keep having more kids? The organizations trying to help should pass out condoms along with food and water, ay? |
The fact that 20. 000 children a day starve to death might move the heart of some to give 75,000 to Save the Child fund and get by with a 10K speaker .. Have to have a heart first though or you will think children in poorer counties.many of which have been made poor by richer countries , have no Entitlement to live . |
I like the extreme high end in my various hobbies…cars, motorcycles, mechanical watches, audio…no problemo, and I have zero anxiety as, in my own way, I enjoy all of the above by finding less extreme examples that are friggin' great. Also, I don't think I know anybody who's part of the "entitlement nation" anteaterbark noted…are those those pesky poor people I keep reading about who want day care and food? Those people need to get out there and inherit something! |
It's always those who can't and never will who piss and whine about those who can. If there's a market, why not? Oh that's right -- because the Entitlement Nation can't tolerate others having what they can't have. While they expect others to give them what they could never obtain themselves. Oh boo hoo. Bully to Pass and all who satisfy the needs of the few who deserve the best. |
Most make fun of these seemingly ludicrous prices but the irony of it all is generally the more expensive the XXX - fill in the blanks, the longer is the waiting line, unless you're willing to pay for the markup. See how long will you need to wait to get those puppies in your dedicated super duper dedicated listening room even if you have the $85K cash in hand. |
Note that Nelson Pass has been working away in his own little Class A world for years on his First Watt amps that sell for relatively peanuts…3 grand or something? They’re so popular now that he recently decided to have the Pass Labs dudes build ’em. Dennis Had (retired from Cary audio) hand makes an Inspire "Fire Bottle" or "Hot Rod" single ended little gem about once a week, people seem to like those, and they’re around $1500 or so although maybe 12 single ended watts aren’t for you. My beautiful sounding "factory upgraded" Jolida 502p tube gem was under $1500 new and is a seriously good amp. I like Boulder amps and the D’Agostino gems, but the big secret in audio is that LOTS of stuff can get some sweet hifi tone into your ear balls for small money…when you win the lottery, get your Ferrari needs out of your system, dump your beautiful wife so 20 year old Ashley (who likes to try new things) can move into your 20,000 square foot McMansion with you, get the Boulder and the Magicos and think to yourself, "is this it?" |
jj77, And so what? They're statement products for the wealthy few. As usual, if you are interested in their house sound, you will eventually benefit from trickle-down of the advanced design technology. No one is forcing you to buy, and there are many great values in new and used gear. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, unless it is just a passing observation of how expensive some gear can get. |
Its cheap compared to other high end amp because everyone is pushing the envelope of what they can get away with..... The problem is that they can't sell many amps today. There has to be a point of staying in existence....If every manufacturer could sell amps like the mass builders do, they could afford lower prices. Manufactures will tell you that an entry level amp that sells for say $2000 may cost them $300 in their cost to produce, but a couple of models up that may sells for say $10,000 may cost the manufacturer $1000 or less....Not the case of course with Pass, the manufacturing of their case alone is several hundred dollars. Even though these numbers may be out of line, the essential idea expressed here is correct. We pay for their knowledge and level of performance that they can get a product to produce.... Manufacturers charge what the market will bare. |
Cheap compared to some of these other amps. ;^) https://www.pinterest.com/higherfi/extreme-hi-end-amplifiers/ |
They have to make money to stay in business. The extreme high end keeps them afloat. The extreme high end market is 90% outside the USA. Hopefully they will still service their older products in the future. Look at ARC...... their cheapest product is $8,000 Today. There is little to no market, for the average audiophile (affordable for someone making $65k). The great recession killed reasonably priced SOTA audio for the average audiophile. |
