decooney, what are the 3 round gizmos below the third driver on the front baffle?
You got all kinds of goodies..
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One last photo of the AR-9 from audio-database, and just because its a cool photo. https://audio-database.com/AR/amp_speaker/ar-9-e.html
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re: AR MGC-1, old article specs show they weigh 150lbs each...heavy! re: Snell B, shows two active 10" woofers on the spec per speaker. One 10" on front and there is one more [rear-firing] woofer plus another alloy Vifa tweeter on the rear of the speaker too...,pic below of rear of Snell B. Fwiw, I’ve used those exact same Vifa small 5-6" woofers and same Vifa aluminum tweeter in a custom MTM configuration I did years ago. IMO, It still needed other woofers and/or sub to fill in the bottom end a bit more. Snell B, rear:
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There you go Master M. Tannoy are some wonderfully designed speakers. I love the cabinet design on a few of their models. They didn't cheap out on quite a few. Master cabinet makers blush at some of the custom Tannoys.. Stunning cabinet and finish work. Not to mention they image like a razor if you want, and super low distortion. The crossover works too. There is a lot of TECH in Tannoy. Regards |
elliotbnewcomb - AR-2Ax, my first decent speakers while in college. Got em with wedding gift money. Anyone remember the AR sound booth at Grand Central Station, NYC? Sam Goodys? I was just of of B-School and working in White Plains, NY at the time. Got into Manhattan on business about once per week. Spent many hours in that sound room. Eventually led to 2AX's followed by 3A's. |
Thumbs up on the Heil AMT-1's. I owned four of them .... used them in a quad system in the mid-70's and then sold/gave them to musician friends of mine (classical) .... one of them uses a pair of them today powered by a Citation 11 preamp and an Amber ST-70 power amp. I taught her how to position them for best sound (not the way HP recommended in The Abso!ute Sound,) and she gets it. So folks visiting her can hear her 9 ft Steinway live and through her audio system, if they want to. She gets lots of compliments on the sound even today. |
------------------------------------------------------------ oldhvymech, ahhh, Sansui SP-5500 speakers. Fairly rare, more info here. https://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/sansui/sp-5500.shtml 4-way, 8ohms, 98db, pretty unique. Full specs here: Specifications: Type: 4 way, 6 driver loudspeaker system Frequency Response: 40Hz to 20kHz Power Handling: 120W Crossover Frequency: 700, 1000, 6500Hz Impedance: 8Ω Sensitivity: 98dB Bass: 1 x 380mm cone Midbass: 2 x 125mm cones Midrange: 1 x horn Tweeter: 2 x horn Finish: open pore walnut Dimensions: 532 x 850 x 430mm Weight: 46.2kg
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To [@oldhvymech], Interesting. Not sure where this photo came from, I went to a PAP listening session years back and heard these same units. It was an evaluator rep here in NorCal, he had the same hard floors and drapes to the side :) The speakers were overly sensitive for my ears paired with what I felt were the wrong amplifiers for the speakers. Some lower power mono tube amps with good tubes, would have been better for demos imo. It gave some ideas at least. I too wondered what happened with their production, frames, was sorta looking to test the AMT version, and did not get the chance. Was a clever idea with modular sections. You’ve probably seen these too, this is what I was looking over, great heil at center.
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Exactly! As a former dealer, I totally understand your POV, and given that at any one time there are about 300 speaker manufacturers out there, Maggies are not for everyone. The type of music one listens to, the room (THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF ANY SYSTEM), and personal taste rule. My experiences with all types of speakers over the years says that some pretty inventive design points are out there as we can see from this thread. The range of drivers and enclosures is breathtaking and fun. In the end, every designer was looking to give the best sound for their product (other than those who were just playing around for money), and some serious stuff has been invented. My personal opinion is just that, personal, and I sold many of these boxes to happy customers over the years. While I can appreciate your love for a specific SPL, I kind of bet you (for fun) that I can set up a Maggie system that will blow you out of your shorts given the right room, etc. BUT, thank goodness for those 300+ makers out there since there are as many people who love what they do as who prefer what I like. Keep the hobby alive! Cheers! |
Thanks, I can noe see where you are coming from. I think the planer/box question is very much a matter of taste, rather than a question of objective obsolescence.
I've listened to decent bit to Maggies, and while I admire them, the sound a bit vaporous to me, and I prefer the punch I hear in boxes. Judging by the composition of the market, many others, including those who can fool with room and kit all they want, have similar sentiments. Nobody has to be "right" here, of course.
Cheers, and back to our originally scheduled programming! 😊 |
When Jim Winey left 3-M and invented Magnepans, boxes became obsolete. I am sure there are some very fine ones out there, and Maggies are not for every room or every hardware set-up, but pair them with some good HW (Audio Research, for example) and have them set up properly IN YOUR ROOM. If then you still prefer boxes, go for it. Cheers! |
One set of designs that ought be much missed by DIYers (and everyone else) are the kit speakers from George Short at North Creek. Mostly pretty basic MTM or two way designs, with top quality components, often voiced to be placed quite near boundaries (very helpful for many of us), and sold at real world prices. Below is is somebody's very attractive build of the Big Kat. The smaller, and still very good, Eska was one of my first serious speakers, with figured walnut boxes built by George's colleague Lee Taylor. They still serve admirably as the fronts in my small home theater.
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When I bought the Gallo 3 series, I multiply auditioned the Strada 1s, and while I found them good with the Gallo sub, I had a clear preference for the 3s. Interesting sidenote: I've bought most of my speakers without hearing them, but the Gallo's were an exception, and I got to closely listen to both the Stradas and the 3s several times. I've enjoyed almost all of my speakers, but the Gallo's lasted about a week, despite my loving the auditions. As I said, I suspect power issues, despite the Gallos being rated down to 30w. With the right amp, I could se an old pair of 3s being a steal, though I'd not want to find service on that CDT3. |
Interesting. I heard a pair of those floorstander Gallo 3s in a smaller room powered by a 100w EL34 stereo tube amplifier with some decent iron transformers behind it. The sound of that middle "CDT3 (Cylindrical Diaphragm Transducer)" component in that MTM type design was pretty neat. Like a circular flat ribbon of sorts. Smooth sound, quite surprising. My friend missed out on buying a used pair and kinda regrets it. A unique looking and sounding speaker in a small floorstander. I wonder if a pair of those new Strada 2 separate units with a REL sub would sound close.
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