NOS Western Electric wire used for power cables??


I see that some people are starting to use this wire for speaker cables and ac power cables. Is anyone here using this wire? How does it compare to the cables on the market today? THANK YOU
hifisoundguy
Asa

SimplyQ: I am impressed by your hew-ing of the UL's and [wire] resistances in your path, but I am interested in your definition of "work" and "quality" and "subjective."

Are you game?

"Work" can mean a number of things. I gave two different instances of it previously. What I wanted to know is what Fuzzbutt17 intended it to mean.

As for "quality," it can mean a number of things as well. It can be ascribed to some sort of purely objective standard (i.e. "This amplifier's distortion is 0.05%"), or a purely subjective standard (i.e. "This amplifier sounds great!").

As for "subjective," it's that which exists within our mind and is not necessarily an accurate reflection of any objective reality.

Fuzzbutt17

Now you've established some credibility.

But for what purpose exactly?

Words should stand or fall on their own, not on who says them. Not even Einstein got away with that.

What is the name of your current company and what is the link to your website?

Why? What relevance does that have? Unlike some, I have no interest in using the forums here to promote my company or my products. So unless you can tell me how that's relevant to the discussion, I'd prefer not to say. If you simply want to satisfy your own curiosity, send me an EMail.

Obviously these companies must be doing something right or they wouldn't be in business.

Sure. But "doing something right" isn't saying anything in particular. The "something right" a company may be doing may be nothing more than marketing. There's no end of companies who have been in business for a long time selling complete BS. Look at the ads in the back of the National Enquirer sometime.

Maybe you can explain to me why everyone prefers my 8AWG power cords over my other ones (and anything else they've heard).

Could be any number of reasons, including purely psychological reasons. And unless one is able to control for that ambiguity, then no one can give any sort of definitive explanation. And people simply preferring your 8 gauge cords over the other ones doesn't say anything definitive one way or the other.

So far every tech I've spoken to tells me there is no reason they should sound better...

And you don't give any plausible reason why the should. So I guess you're even.

I simply enjoy them and sell them to anyone else that wants to enjoy them.

Great. Then why not keep it as simple as that? Works for me.
Simply Q, you are "hiding in the shadows."

You give either hit and run or avoidance answers to specific questions.

My guess is that I'm not the only person on this thread that would like to know the name of your company and have the address of your company's website.

What are you hiding from?

We didn't ask for advertisements or a copy of your last year's income tax statement.

As for listing all the forums you've been a part of for so many years, all that means is you've had access to a computer for that many years and have potentially been criticizing some and misleading others for that long.

Not what I would call something to put on a resume.

FYI, I don't go on forums to promote my company. As a matter of fact I RARELY go on forums at all.

On this thread people gave my company's name, my eBay listing, and my website address and made accusations about my power cords bursting into flames.

I wouldn't even have noticed it if it wasn't for SEVERAL of my loyal customers sending me e-mails with a link to this thread.

Then you attacked me over several things that I wrote and we were off and running.

How about answering a some SPECIFIC questions:

Have you ever heard any of (my) Mojo Audio's products?

Have you ever heard any of Tripoint's products?

Have you ever heard a .005pf isolation transformer such as the Topaz and Xentec that we have been discussing?

What magnet based technology audiophile products have you heard?

What is the criteria you use to evaluate the products you sell? (For this I would expect a long answer)

Do you believe that what you read on technical analytical gear (like an oscilloscope or distortion analyzer) tells the whole story of how gear sounds?

If you include the name of your company and your website address that would make 7 simple questions.

Inquiring minds want to know.

BTW, Mitzar was referring to a specification from the website of Topaz where THEY state a -136db noise reduction.

I don't know exactly what this means but any REASONABLE person would assume that it OVERLAPS not ADDS TO the noise of the system which makes it totally valid.
Now, what it CAN do is help reduce noise from the single most common source of noise in audio systems, and that's interchassis leakage currents in the safety ground lead of the power cables.
Simply_q

Exactly, and while I agree it's a band aid, it's a rather inexpensive yet effective tweak with a much better cost to benefit ratio than a product that costs $8k - $12k. I'm not saying the Tripoint products don't work, but they're priced for those with much deeper pockets than most of us. For those on a more modest budget the Granite Audio Ground Zero provides a similar solution at a much lower cost.

The real culprit is the safety ground.

And it's only required on equipment chassis that don't meet Class II (double insulated) standards.

The manufacturers of low- and mid-fi gear have been designing their chassis to meet Class II specs for decades, and is why you see none of it come with three prong cords.

However the so-called "high-end" manufacturers have yet to figure this out and three prong cords are ubiquitous, even on equipment which may well meet Class II specs. So instead they foist three prong plugs on everyone along with the problems they can bring about.
Simply_q

Ayre is one company that double insulates its equipment chassis. Charles Hansen has posted numerous times on Audio Asylum his views on ground noise.

In my system I have a few components that use two prong attached cords. I also have lifted the grounds off the three prong cords by disconnecting the ground wire altogether, except the one for my power amp.
The fact that Miguel has sold quite a few Troy units (an owner of which now owns 3 Mojo audio power cords AND is looking for an isolation TX) should attest to the fact that it is worth $12k in enough systems for him to be able to sell it.
Mintzar

I mentioned earlier I can believe his products work, I certainly know he spent a lot of time in R&D, but to state that something is worth X number of dollars just because it sells isn't necessarily true.

As to the owner you mentioned, why after spending all that money on a Tripoint product would they need to look for an isolation transformer? I would have expected at their price point that the Tripoint products would be the last word in lowering the noise floor.

FWIW I have had Topaz isolation transformers in my system. I do believe they lower the noise floor, but in some environments they create noise as well. After all they are transformers. I will say this, isolation transformers offer a much higher cost/benefit ratio than many high dollar power products on the market.

Just like some cable manufacturers, some people that manufacture power products are riding an incredible marketing wave.
BTW, the actual DEFINITION of "worth the money" would be if people are willing to pay for something.

To me a diamond is just a pretty piece of compressed carbon and worth relatively little.

Obviously I'm a minority when it comes to the value of a diamond.

I've heard people talk about how this or that product are not "worth the $$$" such as Mac computers or Mercedes Benz cars.

Then again, I don't hear that from the people that can afford to buy them only from the people that can't.

It is a VERY different story when I hear a person who has OWNED a Mercedes or a Porsche and has the means to purchase another one tell me they prefer the Toyota they now drive then a person that sits back and judges value on things that are out of their price range.

As an audiophile we all know how much more it costs for relatively subtle improvements in sound quality.

The only fair way to judge if a company's products are "worth the $$$" would be to see if they stay in business or not.
Simply q , "works" means it musically sounds better or more pleasing in your system. You have to have that defined,...really? When it does not work it simply means whatever you changed makes it sound not as musically pleasing.
Now I am sure you figure a way to argue about that too.
You are a funny guy. Yes you do seem to want to argue crazy things.
You might not think so but .... No matter. Every forum has someone like you.

Fuzzbutt17

You give either hit and run or avoidance answers to specific questions.

I don't care to waste time answering questions which have absolutely nothing to do with what's being discussed.

My guess is that I'm not the only person on this thread that would like to know the name of your company and have the address of your company's website.

What are you hiding from?

Not hiding from anything.

As I told you, if you'd like to know the name of my company and the website, just EMail me. However I haven't received any such EMail from you or anyone else for that matter so it would seem you're not so interested after all.

As for listing all the forums you've been a part of for so many years, all that means is you've had access to a computer for that many years and have potentially been criticizing some and misleading others for that long.

I never intended it to have any particular meaning or relevance with respect to anything I've said. You're the one who demanded the "resume." I humored you. Now you don't like some of the answers. Well boo hoo. They were completely irrelevant to begin with.

What I say either has merit or it doesn't and has absolutely nothing to do with who I am or what I've done.

Instead of sticking to addressing what I've said, you've routinely attempted to obfuscate and try and make it a "personal" issue.

FYI, I don't go on forums to promote my company. As a matter of fact I RARELY go on forums at all.

On this thread people gave my company's name, my eBay listing, and my website address and made accusations about my power cords bursting into flames.

And you had every right to respond to what had been said.

But you weren't content to stick to that. Instead you took advantage of the situation and used it to launch into a marketing campaign in an attempt to try and sell your products here.

From your first post in this thread:

I have DOZENS of customers that replaced their "whose who" Stereophile class A rated $2K+ power cords with mine. The same is true of my interconnects and digital cables.

Don't take my word for it. Don't take their word for it. I suggest you try my (or any other companies) products first hand, for yourself, in your system.

Everything I sell comes with a 30-day unconditional money back guaranty. All you risk is the cost of shipping. There is not even a re-stocking fee.

BTW, I am also "Fuzzbutt17" on eBay if you want to see HUNDREDS of positive feedbacks.

That's not addressing anyone's concerns about safety. That's just shameless, bald-faced MARKETING.

If you want to sell your products, that's what the classifieds and advertisements here are for. Not the forums.

I wouldn't even have noticed it if it wasn't for SEVERAL of my loyal customers sending me e-mails with a link to this thread.

And even now you never miss any opportunity to continue your marketing campaign.

What the hell has "SEVERAL of my loyal customers" have to do with anything relevant to this discussion?

Nothing.

Then you attacked me over several things that I wrote and we were off and running.

Ah, yes. The favorite obfuscation of the quack, the charlatan, the cult leader and the politician. Frame any sort of disagreement by others as an "attack."

BTW, Mitzar was referring to a specification from the website of Topaz where THEY state a -136db noise reduction.

Where is this Topaz website? Wasn't able to find it.

I don't know exactly what this means but any REASONABLE person would assume that it OVERLAPS not ADDS TO the noise of the system which makes it totally valid.

I'm simply going by what Mintzar said, which was "Two of which lower the noise floor by 136dB and the third by 146dB."

I took him to mean the noise floor of the audio system as ultimately that's the only noise floor that counts at the end of the day.
My eyes are tired after reading this.

Where's Sean and maybe Herman at a time like this ?

Clio09

Ayre is one company that double insulates its equipment chassis. Charles Hansen has posted numerous times on Audio Asylum his views on ground noise.

Yup. Sadly, the Ayres are rather far and few between.

I also have lifted the grounds off the three prong cords by disconnecting the ground wire altogether, except the one for my power amp.

Not a good idea from a safety point of view.

First it assumes that the interconnected chassis have their signal reference grounds tied to the chassis through a low impedance path. Second, it assumes that the interconnects and circuit board traces are all sufficient to carry the fault current in the event of one of the chassis going hot.
I posted a ways back that this was entertaining and damn it, I cannot stop following it!

I have trouble with some of these attacks on Simply_q and have to chime in here. I have tremendous respect for someone who is able to stay on task in a "debate" such as this one and what I see is a guy who has done so. Near every comment has been pretty damn relevant and to my brain, made much more sense then most of the posters. I do not agree with all his views however I do think they have been relevant and objective. I also have to agree that Ben's posts have begun to sound like a marketing campaign and to be quite frank, not a good one. I have gone from certainly curious about the product to having no interest what so ever.
jrn

Simply q , "works" means it musically sounds better or more pleasing in your system. You have to have that defined,...really? When it does not work it simply means whatever you changed makes it sound not as musically pleasing.

Yes, but there can be two reasons for that. One is that it sounded better/different/worse because of an actual audible difference brought about by the item in question, and the other is that there was no actual audible difference and it sounded better/different/worse for purely psychological reasons, i.e. what some would generally refer to as the placebo effect.

So, when a company claims their product "works," which of those two possibilities do they have in mind?

Judging by much of the marketing, there seems to be a rather heavy implication of the former.
Who needs Herman and Sean when we have Richard_stacy who hits the nail right on the head.

Ben mentioned he was advised not to participate in forums. He should have taken that advice.

Simply_q, yes I know about the hazards, not sure if it applies in my situation, probably does, guess I'll just take the chance.

Richard_stacy, thank you for the kind words.

Er, except for the part where you said you didn't agree with all my views. ;)

Clio09

Simply_q, yes I know about the hazards, not sure if it applies in my situation, probably does, guess I'll just take the chance.

Fair 'nuff.

Just that I often see this scheme recommended by those who make the assumptions I mentioned. As long as you know they're not safe assumptions that's cool. However not everyone does so it was at least worth mentioning.
Simply Q: still avoiding me and my RELEVANT questions.

To start with, you have ALL my contact information. If you wanted to send me information about your company in private you had every opportunity.

Should I send you an ENGRAVED INVITATION?

As for what products you have PERSONALLY listened to, that is RELEVANT because it confirms that you are commenting on products and theories (like magnets) that you have experience with or that you are a know-it-all and are talking out your @#$.

Have I been marketing OR offering 3rd party independent confirmation to refute unsubstantiated accusations?

It was stated that NOS wire is a fire hazard.

Then YOU accused me of profiteering by frequently upgrading my product over short periods of time.

Then YOU accused me of not clearly stating my return or upgrade policies.

Funny how MOST of the so called "advertising" I did was in response to YOUR accusations.

Funny how MOST people I know like to get 3rd party independent confirmation on a company's products but YOU consider this to be UNIMPORTANT.

I have a THEORY...

You resent other businesspersons success because you believe with all of your experience and with the amazing values in audiophile products you produce you should be getting "a larger piece of the pie."

Also...

You REFUSE to tell the people on this thread who you are and what your company is for fear that it would give them ammunition to accuse you of things much as you have been doing to other RESPECTED companies and businesspersons.

You may consider that the issue with your resentments toward successful companies stems from the fact that your attitude may be chasing customers away.

Seriously.
Fuzzbutt17...I am one of the "people on this thread" which you are suggesting need to know of SQ's personal/vocational resume and I can assure you, I do not. Respectfully, please do not act as a spokesman for the rest of the forum community (at least me...).
Simply Q consistently insults audiophiles in REPEATEDLY stating that a SIGNIFICANT percentage of audiophiles can't hear if one product sounds better than another.

Simply Q consistently insults respected companies by stating that their products are not good and have no basis in technical reasoning.

Simply Q consistently accuses respected companies of being vague or putting technically incorrect information on their websites.

Simply Q consistently accuses others of "hiding in the shadows" or "vagueness" yet he refuses to respond to ANY question I (or others) have asked that he can not twist around to his advantage.

At the same time he won't give us the link to his website or even confirm if he has actually HEARD any of these products that he's degrading.

Oddly enough, my entire marketing is based on the fact that I believe that if a person actually can compare two products side-by-side that they will EASILY be able to decide for themselves what sounds better.

I must compliment Simply Q in that he is a MASTER at goading people on forums to react while avoiding responding to anything that may put him at a disadvantage.

It is obvious that Simply Q has spent DECADES on these forums and that I have not.

On that note, I will sign off.

I should have listened and not even attempted to respond to Simply Q's obviously maliciously intended postings.

Hopefully Simply Q will send me the link to his website on my private e-mail as I requested.
Notice I said "people" and not "everyone."

There are several PEOPLE that have been posting on and reading this thread that have contacted me on my PRIVATE e-mail who, like me, want to know who Simply Q is and get the link to his company's website.

I can only assume that you are a friend of Simply Q's and that you must be on the "short list" of audiophiles that have the ability to discern if something sounds better or not.

Many other audiophiles that have read this thread (notice I didn't say "all") find him to be INSULTING and ARROGANT.

I would gladly forward some of these e-mails to you if you want to CONFIRM that I'm telling the truth.
There are several PEOPLE that have been posting on and reading this thread that have contacted me on my PRIVATE e-mail who, like me, want to know who Simply Q is and get the link to his company's website.
Fuzzbutt17

Why the heck are these people who want to know who Simply_q is emailing you? They should be emailing him. I had a suspicion as to who he was (his user name is very telling) but I emailed him anyway and he confirmed what I suspected.

I assure you he is someone with audio manufacturing and technology know how. His products have been reviewed and not just by audiophiles and beta testers, but by trade publications. Many of his peers in the industry respect and seek his expertise.

Can he be arrogant, sure, but I think he has the credentials to be. Can he be insulting, sometimes, hey we're not all perfect.

I don't need to see any emails you have on this topic or on Simply_q. You really should go away now. Like Richard_stacy you have biased me. Too bad, it does appear that you have some nice cables, even those interconnects on your Website that in their clear wrapping look a lot like Goertz ;)

http://mojo-audio.com/Coherent-Ribbon-Interconnect-IC-R.htm
Fuzzbutt17...I asume you were talking to me and no, never met SQ in my life nor come across him in the forums. I'm just a regular Joe idiot audiophile who occasionally wastes valuable time from my life here.

"you must be on the "short list" of audiophiles that have the ability to discern if something sounds better or not."

I have no idea what that means...

Nice post!
Fuzzbutt17

Simply Q: still avoiding me and my RELEVANT questions.

They weren't relevant at all.

To start with, you have ALL my contact information. If you wanted to send me information about your company in private you had every opportunity.

I didn't have any particular desire to send you that information. You wanted me to post that information here in the forum. However it served no purpose for this discussion and since I have no desire to promote my company in these forums I refused.

Further, I said if you wanted to know just for your own curiosity, you were free to EMail me.

Since I haven't received any EMail from you, I can only assume that the reason for your wanting to know wasn't simply to satisfy your own curiosity.

Should I send you an ENGRAVED INVITATION?

No. A simple EMail would suffice.

As for what products you have PERSONALLY listened to, that is RELEVANT because it confirms that you are commenting on products and theories (like magnets) that you have experience with or that you are a know-it-all and are talking out your @#$.

I don't need to listen to anything to know that a static magnetic field isn't going to do anything like Mintzar described. And in case it escaped your notice, what I addressed was only that which Mintzar had claimed.

As for Tripoint, all I've said is that there's nothing to say about them because there's no useful information on their website to say anything about.

So please explain to me why it's relevant that I listen to a product that I've said absolutely nothing about.

Have I been marketing OR offering 3rd party independent confirmation to refute unsubstantiated accusations?

You've been marketing since your first post and in a most over-the-top fashion. To the point that it should more rightly be called huckstering than marketing.

It was stated that NOS wire is a fire hazard.

What I said was that I wouldn't recommend using the old Western Electric cloth insulated wire for power cords.

That had absolutely nothing to do with your product as your product hadn't even been mentioned at that time.

So again, what's the relevance of listening to a product I've not said anything about?

Then YOU accused me of profiteering by frequently upgrading my product over short periods of time.

Admittedly, I did make a rather snarky comment regarding frequent upgrades. But only because I was getting sick of your constant marketing of your products in this forum.

But by the same token, when you said that your customers can have their older products upgraded for free, I said if that's the case I thought that was admirable.

Then YOU accused me of not clearly stating my return or upgrade policies.

Fist, I didn't say anything about your return policy.

Second, what I did was ASK you if free upgrades were an option that was available to everyone who has purchased your products. And if so, you shouldn't keep it such a secret as I saw nothing on your website offering free upgrades.

You never answered that question.

Funny how MOST of the so called "advertising" I did was in response to YOUR accusations.

Funny how you attempt to twist reality to cover your ass.

My comment regarding frequent upgrades was a RESPONSE to yet another of your marketing attempts.

Specifically:

Why have their been so many upgrades to Mojo Audio products over the past year? That is because we don't "hold out" like most companies so that they can launch new products at the next show.

Are products are HAND MADE in SMALL BATCHES so we are able to upgrade our materials and methods frequently.

Not one word of that had anything whatsoever to do with anything what was being discussed here. It was pure, unsolicited advertising.

Funny how MOST people I know like to get 3rd party independent confirmation on a company's products but YOU consider this to be UNIMPORTANT.

I've no idea what this has to do with.

I have a THEORY...

You resent other businesspersons success because you believe with all of your experience and with the amazing values in audiophile products you produce you should be getting "a larger piece of the pie."

No.

What I resent are hucksters like you taking advantage of non-commercial forums like this for the purpose of marketing your products.

Also...

You REFUSE to tell the people on this thread who you are and what your company is for fear that it would give them ammunition to accuse you of things much as you have been doing to other RESPECTED companies and businesspersons.

What I REFUSE is to post the name of my company publicly in this thread in response to a question which has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to what's being discussed.

Sure, I could take advantage of your question and post it here, but that would be taking advantage. And I prefer not to do that. I'm not here to market and promote my company and products. I'll leave that to you.

NO ONE on this thread is being denied knowing who I am and what my company is. As I've said before, anyone who wishes to know is free to EMail me. So far two have done so. Neither of them were you.

The only thing I'm denying anyone is being further beaten upside the head with more shameless, unsolicited advertising that doesn't belong here.
Fuzzbutt17

On that note, I will sign off.

Good riddance.

And now, back to another 30 minutes of commercial free music... ;)
Has ANYONE seen me post on a forum before?

Has ANYONE seen me promote my company or products on a forum before?

The answer is NO.

The ONLY reason I felt the need to post ANYTHING at first was that my company and my products were identified by name and with links and comments were made about them being FIRE HAZARDS.

Later I found Simply Q insulting one company after another as well as audiophiles in general and I naively respond.

In hindsight I should have let it go.

If I'm such a "huckster" than why is it that you have NEVER seen ONE SINGLE posting by me in the past?

I wasn't "promoting" myself I was "defending" myself.

Granted I may have done it poorly and gone overboard.

I leave all of you with this one thought:

Over the next year or so please look for any postings I may make (I doubt you'll see any).

At the same time check out how many posting you see from Simply Q that insult other companies or audiophiles in general (I'm sure you'll see many).

I sincerely apologize to anyone aside from Simply Q that I may have offended.
This thread should be deleted. Though there has been some very good technical information presented here, both sides have behaved incredibly poorly. A man with as many years of experience as Simply Q had to know what type of reaction was going to be provoked simply from being involved in forums for as long as he has. Especially with the tone often used in his posting. Not only does he have to have the last word, he has to have the last two words. I am not denouncing his technical expertise which is obviously very high, just how it is presented. And Fuzzbutt17 should have taken his own advice form early on and left it alone. What went from defending his product turned into advertising. I believe this was unintentional, but a lack of experience in dealing with people who see nothing but black and white and refuse to admit there may possibly be something called gray. To believe that we know all there is to know about the human hearing mechanism and how to measure everything we can hear/perceive is incredibly arrogant.
Thank you Csmogolf. I also wish this thread could be deleted.

I don't need "free advertising" and I am somewhat ashamed that I was unable to resist responding to Simply Q's postings.

He finally did send me a link to his website and I have to say that I think his cables look QUITE nice.

I've worked with similar cotton covered Litz wire that I got from NOS Western Electric switchboard "patch" cords.

Those cables sounded VERY good and though I've never heard them, I'm quite sure Simply Qs cables sound good as well.

Csmgolf

A man with as many years of experience as Simply Q had to know what type of reaction was going to be provoked simply from being involved in forums for as long as he has.

You never know what sort of reaction you're going to get because you never know who the paranoid, overly-defensive, reactionary people are until after the fact.

All I can say is that with as many years of experience that I have, most people don't fit that description and are capable of having a calm, respectful discussion even when there is disagreement.

Not only does he have to have the last word, he has to have the last two words.

I admit, the "Good riddance" wasn't terribly good form. But I have my limits.

And as you can see, Fuzzbutt17 has trumped those measly two words with another 200 or so of his own.

Fuzzbutt17

He finally did send me a link to his website...

Because you finally sent me an EMail asking me as I had originally requested.
The blatant advertisng annoyed me more than anything. I enjoyed the back and forth but did not need the excessive commercial breaks.

Perhaps, as Fuzzbutt17 has claimed, he lacks forum experience. I hope he comes back without the pushy marketing messages.

Regards,
Simply Q , so when my wife walks into the room and says wow,
that sounds better... What did you do to the stereo... without prompting...
That likely means I did something that to improve the sound.
There are many " real improvements" out there for your stereo system.
You can also change equipment and make it sound worse.
To say it is mostly in your head and not real, that is your opinion but I don't buy it. Just leave it at that.
Well now that we've all seen the worst side of what forums can do... let's eat cake and move on. Cats can come too.

There are always going to be clashing personalities and differences of opinion. It could be in audio, it could be in a bank. It is FAR too easy to misunderstand when reading text and especially when dealing with people on the internet. Ultimately, they're just words and are only sharp-edged when the receiver of those words lets them be.

So I suggest we let this discussion die or be deleted and move on from lessons learned. I imagine no one will lose sleep over staying in the gray area.

As Confucius once said... "Man who goes to bed with itchy butt, wakes up with stinky finger." --I have no idea what that had to do with anything. But there you go.

//conversation over.

Mintzar

So I suggest we let this discussion die or be deleted and move on from lessons learned.

No argument here.
I have seen a lot worse. This is child's play compared to some other sites I have inhabited. That being said, I am not a fan of censorship in any forum and believe in freedom of expression even if it is deemed ugly. I am also not a fan of aggressive, unbalanced, unsubstantiated claims about equipment (and more importantly equipment comparisons) that can metamorphosize into a nasty dialectic of slander/advertising whether it comes from an end-user, dealer, or manufacturer. We need three things: grace, balanced objectivity free of self-interest and self-promotion, and transparency.

Agear

I have seen a lot worse. This is child's play compared to some other sites I have inhabited.

The absolute worst I've ever experienced is the rec.audio.opinion newsgroup.

Haven't visited there for some years, but it was the worst cesspool on the topic of audio I've ever seen, and I've seen a lot.
SimplyQ: I know what these things might be/mean - radical subjectivism vs. scientific materialist perspectives. I want to know what YOU think/know/feel/see, RE: what "work" and "quality" IS...

OK, since you didn't answer my question, I get to ask another one first...What does this mean, and what does it possibly have to do with the perception of music:

The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflections,
The water has no mind to receive their images.

A real answer, please.
Asa

SimplyQ: I know what these things might be/mean - radical subjectivism vs. scientific materialist perspectives. I want to know what YOU think/know/feel/see, RE: what "work" and "quality" IS...

Why?

I don't see that it has any particular relevance.
i own two power cords.

they are braided and 14 gauge. i also use ear to ear and soundstring.

the western electric cords were fabricated by a friend. they were very reasonable.

i found them to be slightly subtractive in the lower treble while not losing bass response.