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New Tweak --- Its Fantastic
THE NEW TWEAK
Over the good part of this past year I’ve been beta testing a new tweak, the name of which is "Total Contact." Its a hi-bred graphene contact enhancer that is different from all other contact enhancers that have come and gone for one reason or another. I’m not new to these contact enhancers, having had quite a bit of experience with a product developed by the late Brian Kyle and his "Quick Silver" contact enhancer. The "Total Contact" is different ... a LOT different.
"Total Contact" is graphene based and is not a vibration control. It eliminates micro-arching between two contacts. Micro-arching, much like Micro-vibration smears the sound in our stereo systems. Its the type of distortion that we don’t know is there .... until we eliminate it. There is no break-in as we know it. The sound is improved right off the bat, but what you hear is only a smidgen of what’s to come.
I tested three generations of "TC," each of which was an improvement over the previous incarnation. The final mix was cryogenitically treated and made for a more effective, much smoother application. It comes in a large hypodermic needle type plunger containing 1.5 ml of product and includes a instructional DVD and an application brush.
The application should be applied with a very thin coat to all of your electrical connections .... from your cartridge pins to your power cords. I did my entire system, including the ends of my fuses.
Upon initial application, you will notice an improvement in clarity, correctness of tonal balance and a more overall organic sound. But ... that is just scratching the surface of what this magic paste does. As it cures, the improvements become more apparent. Much more!
There are two real break-through events that happen almost to the day with "Total Contact," one at four weeks and another at eight weeks . At four weeks, you’ll get a real jump in clarity and overall improvement. That’s only a taste though of what’s to come at eight weeks. At eight weeks your system’s focus will make a jump in SQ that is so real - its surreal.
After 40 years in the hobby, and a total tweak nut, I have never heard anything that does what this graphene paste does. The see-through clarity at eight weeks becomes simply amazing. The "paste" eventually cures into a kind of polymer plastic and it seems that the sound improves with each listening session. So, its important that you leave your contacts alone for the duration. If you’re the type of person that continually switches wires in and out, you’ll have to re paste until enough time has elapsed to get "the cure."
The only problem I had was with the first batch and that had to do with shorting out a tube pin in the line stage. Use the "TC" very sparingly on tube pins, if at all. I only had problems with the line stage tube pins. The Amp, CD Player and Phono Stage has had no tube pin problems at all.
Tim Mrock, one of our fellow A’goners, is the developer of the product. Its taken Tim 15 years and several patents to get it right. Tim has "pasted" every electrical contact he can find in his audio system, all of the switches in his circuit breaker box, every contact in his car ... and has used it in commercial applications such as hospital circuit breakers, surgical lights ... and other places where efficiency and long life of electrical components are deemed important.
This product is highly recommended to anyone who truly wants to get the most out of his/her audio systems. There’s enough product in each tube to do at least two audio systems as it just takes a very thin coat on each application to be effective. The last tube was enough to do my system twice and then a friend’s system this past weekend.
Frank
PS: There were a couple of other A’goner beta testers of this product as well. Hopefully, they will chime in here with their experiences for comparison. I "pasted" both of Steve Fleschler’s systems a few days ago, perhaps he will comment on his results too. We forgot to paste Steve’s power cords though, so there’s a lot more to be had from Steve’s two fantastic systems.
Frank
Over the good part of this past year I’ve been beta testing a new tweak, the name of which is "Total Contact." Its a hi-bred graphene contact enhancer that is different from all other contact enhancers that have come and gone for one reason or another. I’m not new to these contact enhancers, having had quite a bit of experience with a product developed by the late Brian Kyle and his "Quick Silver" contact enhancer. The "Total Contact" is different ... a LOT different.
"Total Contact" is graphene based and is not a vibration control. It eliminates micro-arching between two contacts. Micro-arching, much like Micro-vibration smears the sound in our stereo systems. Its the type of distortion that we don’t know is there .... until we eliminate it. There is no break-in as we know it. The sound is improved right off the bat, but what you hear is only a smidgen of what’s to come.
I tested three generations of "TC," each of which was an improvement over the previous incarnation. The final mix was cryogenitically treated and made for a more effective, much smoother application. It comes in a large hypodermic needle type plunger containing 1.5 ml of product and includes a instructional DVD and an application brush.
The application should be applied with a very thin coat to all of your electrical connections .... from your cartridge pins to your power cords. I did my entire system, including the ends of my fuses.
Upon initial application, you will notice an improvement in clarity, correctness of tonal balance and a more overall organic sound. But ... that is just scratching the surface of what this magic paste does. As it cures, the improvements become more apparent. Much more!
There are two real break-through events that happen almost to the day with "Total Contact," one at four weeks and another at eight weeks . At four weeks, you’ll get a real jump in clarity and overall improvement. That’s only a taste though of what’s to come at eight weeks. At eight weeks your system’s focus will make a jump in SQ that is so real - its surreal.
After 40 years in the hobby, and a total tweak nut, I have never heard anything that does what this graphene paste does. The see-through clarity at eight weeks becomes simply amazing. The "paste" eventually cures into a kind of polymer plastic and it seems that the sound improves with each listening session. So, its important that you leave your contacts alone for the duration. If you’re the type of person that continually switches wires in and out, you’ll have to re paste until enough time has elapsed to get "the cure."
The only problem I had was with the first batch and that had to do with shorting out a tube pin in the line stage. Use the "TC" very sparingly on tube pins, if at all. I only had problems with the line stage tube pins. The Amp, CD Player and Phono Stage has had no tube pin problems at all.
Tim Mrock, one of our fellow A’goners, is the developer of the product. Its taken Tim 15 years and several patents to get it right. Tim has "pasted" every electrical contact he can find in his audio system, all of the switches in his circuit breaker box, every contact in his car ... and has used it in commercial applications such as hospital circuit breakers, surgical lights ... and other places where efficiency and long life of electrical components are deemed important.
This product is highly recommended to anyone who truly wants to get the most out of his/her audio systems. There’s enough product in each tube to do at least two audio systems as it just takes a very thin coat on each application to be effective. The last tube was enough to do my system twice and then a friend’s system this past weekend.
Frank
PS: There were a couple of other A’goner beta testers of this product as well. Hopefully, they will chime in here with their experiences for comparison. I "pasted" both of Steve Fleschler’s systems a few days ago, perhaps he will comment on his results too. We forgot to paste Steve’s power cords though, so there’s a lot more to be had from Steve’s two fantastic systems.
Frank
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shadorne ... After 50+ years spent in a 100% commissioned sales career, my skin is about two feet thick. Your misinformed personal attacks and insults have no effect on me at all ... NONE. I hope you have a great 2018. Carry on ... ehtoo ... 1. Release date will be in about two weeks if everything goes well. Stay tuned. 2. The binder is different. No oily mess. 3. This one really works ... and it works WAY beyond the price point for the product. nkonor .. Sorry, no 30 day trial. Unlike other products that may be returned for credit, like fuses for example, this one cannot be resold. If it were allowed, Tim would end up with a bunch of returned, half-full tubes. Take a look at some of the stinking thinking in this thread ... and also the SR fuse threads being displayed by the very same negative souls. If they are so dishonest that they would denigrate a product without trying it, or knowing the effects even before a release date, would they be honest enough to give a fair evaluation of the product without using half of it, (which is more than enough to do an entire system), then sending the half tube back for a refund? This is where the free market comes into play. The initial purchasers will be taking the risk. If it works like I and others have said, then word of mouth will make the product successful. If the consumer doesn’t like it, the product will fall out of favor and it will fail. Read both of the SR fuse threads. The SR fuses are a great product currently being enjoyed by tens of thousands of consumers who are delighted with the results. And yet ... the naysayers are still spouting their nonsense about after market fuses. I’m beginning to think that some of the Debbie Downers have ulterior motives in their attempted destruction of any new product. Could it be that they have their own tweak businesses like Geoff, or perhaps they work for another manufacturer and are threatened by innovators like Ted Denny and Tim Mrock? Or even more likely, they lead narrow, darkened little lives and get their rocks off by tearing at the seams of the dreams of others. You can totally rely on one thing ... none of the genius naysayers in this and the fuse threads will have the testicular fortitude to step forward and be the first in line to buy it. In fact, they will stay in the background, continue to be drop-dead stupid, and remain as Negative Nellie’s and continue telling the rest of us what we don’t hear. They will NEVER buy the product even with all of the positive results being reported. Geoff ... Your reading comprehension needs work, Junior. In a previous post on page two I said this: " 7. I tried the SR Black and the SR Blue fuses without the "Total Contact," and with it. With it was clearly the better option. Like the other applications to power cords and IC’s for example, the results are the same type of improvement in SQ. So go ahead ... paste the end caps of your fuses and you’ll get an improvement there also. It works on every electrical contact from your circuit breakers to your speaker terminals." The very least you can do Geoff, would be to read the text before making your inane negative comments. Alcohol is a wonderful drug, isn’t it Sonny? Frank |
Frank I think you come over as sincere. I do not see you hiding anything or have any reason to. You have more to lose if you are trying to pull a fast one(which I do not see that even close to happening). Some people are scared or distrust even there own shadow. You can let that be their problem. I hope that doesn't come off as I am telling you what to do, it is just a viewpoint of mine. I wanted to say thanks for trying these enhancements out and keeping us up on them. Hope everyone is enjoying their systems. |
^^^ marqmike ... Thanks for the kind words. They are very much appreciated. Because I love music, I love this hobby. The closer I can get to the live performance, the better I like it. When I discover a product that gets me closer to the music, then I want to share the information. That's it in a nutshell. No ulterior motive ... just honest evaluations as I hear them. Frank |
oreganpapa sez: "You can totally rely on one thing ... none of the genius naysayers in this and the fuse threads will have the testicular fortitude to step forward and be the first in line to buy it." Really? It takes balls to buy a useless product? Those that understand the psychology of expectation bias and the brevity of audio memory with regards to subtle micro-changes (if they exist at all), don't need balls to buy this product...they already have the smarts to see it for what it is - a waste of money. I likely love music and audio as much as you do but I suspect you have thrown way more money at it than I..and you likely do not enjoy it more. |
Frank I’m beginning to think that some of the Debbie Downers have ulterior motives in their attempted destruction of any new product. Could it be that they have their own tweak businesses like Geoff, or perhaps they work for another manufacturer and are threatened by innovators like Ted Denny and Tim Mrock? Or even more likely, they lead narrow, darkened little lives and get their rocks off by tearing at the seams of the dreams of others. >>>>Whoa! What? Geez, Louise, and they thought they were paying for some nice favorable comments. They got a lot more than that. They got a drama major with 50+ years of experience. You do have a vivid imagination, I’ll grant you that. “...by tearing at the seams of the dreams of others.”That’s Gold, Frank, Gold! You missed your calling. |
@geoffkait Frank has a classic case of “projection” - just because he is a busy paid shill for several tweak businesses, he suspects naysayers must be the same. Although in Frank’s view the naysayers are working actively to shill other products where they have their own vested interest and are therefore paid to attack his vested interests... |
shadorne @geoffkait Frank has a classic case of “projection” - just because he is a busy paid shill for several tweak businesses, he suspects naysayers must be the same. Although in Frank’s view the naysayers are working actively to shill other products where they have their own vested interest and are therefore paid to attack his vested interests. You can’t cheat an honest man. - Old audiophile saw geoff kait, audio insider |
You guys are way too funny. Too bad they closed most of the mental institutions. Its obvious that I hit the intended nerve in my last post. You are way too transparent guyz, way too transparent. randy11 ... and others ... Since when does one need an advanced engineering degree in electronics to determine what one hears through one's own ears? Come on man, some of the most socially backward people I know have engineering degrees. Not taking anything away from engineers of course, but they DO march to the beat of a different drummer. Like all personality types, engineers have their own specific fears ... mainly the fear of criticism. Heck, I've known engineers who cannot even take a simple suggestion let alone a criticism without blowing a cork. When engineers buy, they buy based upon 90% logic and 10% emotion. The world of the vast non-insane buys based upon 90% emotion and 10% logic. Engineers suffer from analysis paralysis, while the non-insane world has no problem making decisions within seconds that would take the engineer weeks, if not months to make. I spent 40 years of my sales career selling real estate ... a business that most folks posting here would flat out fail at. I've actually had engineers ask me how thick the friggin' drywall is. What? Was I supposed to drill a hole and measure the thickness? My favorite was the guy who showed up for his final walk-through wearing a short sleeved striped dress shirt, a pair of plaid shorts, black socks and wing tips. He was smoking a pipe and blew smoke under the kitchen hood to see how effective the exhaust fan worked. At least he didn't have his hat on backward .... but I just couldn't miss the slide rule in his shirt pocket. :-) I hope the naysayers continue posting their nonsense in the thread. Every time they post, they bump the thread to the top of the list exposing it to an international audience. I have no doubt that once the word gets out about Tim's product, it will sell like hotcakes. What exactly does "Total Contact" do for an audio system? 1. Increases the holegraphic effect of the presentation. 2. Increases the realism of the instruments - much more organic. 3. A "see through" quality (at eight weeks) that was totally unattainable before. For the price of $299.99 a sane person would think its a bargain. The mentally challenged? The guy with the loose wire? The guy with the ax to grind? Well, they're on their own and will remain marching to the beat of that different drummer wondering what the hell just happened ... as they continue bumping this thread in the direction of north. Thank you for that ... Frank |
an advanced engineering degree in electronics is not needed to determine what one hears through one's own ears, but is needed to design products, esp. ones claiming to be better than others - a chemistry degree would help too to determine if what one hears through one's own ears is really not just confirmation bias, a basic familiarity with science would be required I AM CERTAIN that you will have independent testing done with valid statistical analysis before marketing this very expensive product. It is not just a spendy shill, is it? |
Ironically, a strong belief in science and/or having an advanced degree in science is actually a Roadblock to progress in this hobby. Just see how much and by whom Science is bandied about on these threads, as if the sacred Laws of Physics or Electricity have been sullied or broken. Give me a break! And why is it those who jump in to protect the sacred laws of science never say anything uh, scientific or technical. Because they can’t? Hmmmm.... “Knowledge is what’s left after you subtract all the stuff you forgot from school.” - old audiophile saw |
Randy brilliantly sez: "to determine if what one hears through one's own ears is really not just confirmation bias, a basic familiarity with science would be required" Uhh, how about 40 years experience in the audio hobby Randy? Would that make up for a lack of a chemistry degree or a doctorate in electrical engineering ... just a weensy bit? Then the number one Mensa member sez: " I AM CERTAIN that you will have independent testing done with valid statistical analysis before marketing this very expensive product." You can be as "certain" as you want, randy. I'm not doing any scientific analysis. I'm not the developer. Perhaps you should read the entire thread starting at page one before making anymore comments or making your own analysis of what I hear and/or think. Good Lord, what kind of engineer are you anyway? Wait, on second thought randy ... keep the comments coming ... bump the thread to keep the international audience in place, remember?? Geeze, do you guyz think before you post? Frank |
geoffkait wrote: ... Think of me as a song and dance man...." Yeah, you and your ol’ pal Bob Dylan. This from a 1965 interview with "the bard:" Interviewer: "Do you think of yourself primarily as a singer or a poet? This thread promises to be more entertaining than even the Black and Blue fuse thread, which is a very tough act to follow. Keep it up, boys and happy new year! Cheers. |
Would it be too much to ask for comments that don’t sound like they’re right out of the Reviewer’s Handbook of Audiophile Cliches and Trite Expressions? You know, My jaw hit the floor or even my wife commented on the sound from the kitchen? 👩🏻🍳 How about, I don’t think my system can possibly get any better!? Does your dog cock his head and look inquisitively for someone there when he hears a voice on your system now? 🐩 Come on, people! I guess nobody ever heard of the Last Tweak Syndrome. You know, the tweak that finally gets you into Audio Nirvana. The one that gets you all the way to 100%. 😛 |
schubert ....but it (having an advanced technical degree) tends to up the odds (that they can determine it’s snake oil). I hate to be judgmental, but it appears those who defend and embrace Science most vehemently and complain the shrillest that Laws of Physics have been sullied or torn asunder are oft times merely English majors. 😁 |
Not siding with the OP, but will say that @randy-11 is usually out of step with almost everybody else. His singular opinions, where he is the first to nay-say lots of posters on lots of topics, seem like they would not be appreciated by most posters or readers. Yet, for whatever reason (attention? the need to look smart?), it is these objectivist opinionists that like to get in everybody's face most often. I hold my judgement of the product, after all, only a couple have tried it. But am not in agreement in the way this (and the other products) are being hawked as if they were the be-all and end-all of their categories. The buying public will make that final decision. |
I would not agree that Randy-11 is "out of step" just because his opinion (like mine) is to generally disagree with the efficacy of most audio "tweaks" that have no basis in science or reality. The OP says this product is a cure for the "smearing" of sound in our systems. I've never detected any smearing in mine. Why would anyone with any sense pay $300.00 for 25 cents worth of paste that accomplishes nothing. |
Because they have the sense to know that someone who hasn’t tried it saying it doesn’t work tells them absolutely nothing about whether it actually works, or not. Saying that you think it is unlikely to work, and therefore don’t feel the need to try it, is perfectly valid. Making an absolute statement that it doesn’t work, when you haven’t tried it, is either just ignorant, or intentionally trying to stir the pot. There are a multitude of tweaks out there that I have no plans to try, for various reasons, but I can't say with any certainty that they don't work. I can only say that I don't see enough potential benefit to try them. |
OK, tommylion, I get your point. But I would not "try it" because it seems to be advertised to fix a problem I do not have, has a ridiculous price tag and reminds me of green magic marker on the edge of CDs and wooden blocks to elevate cables. Since you used the word, I could, but will not, opine that those who get sucked it to this kind of voodoo magic are ignorant. Additionally, having a different opinion on this subject is not stirring the pot...it is called disagreeing. |
I have found that, as I progress in making improvements to the sound of my system, it becomes more and more about dealing with problems that I didn’t have (or rather, didn’t realize I had until they were fixed). Another way of saying it is: You'll never make any improvements in an area, if you are not open to the possibility that there are improvements to be made. |
dynaquest4 OK, tommylion, I get your point. But I would not "try it" because it seems to be advertised to fix a problem I do not have, has a ridiculous price tag and reminds me of green magic marker on the edge of CDs and wooden blocks to elevate cables. Since you used the word, I could, but will not, opine that those who get sucked it to this kind of voodoo magic are ignorant. Additionally, having a different opinion on this subject is not stirring the pot...it is called >>>>>Whoa! Hey, back this thing up. Beep, beep! So now all tweaks are snake oil. Let’s take things one at a time, shall we? The Green Pen is an effective tweak and well worth doing. Plus it doesn’t cost anything. So you can’t use the go to pseudo skeptic argument that it’s too expensive. I actually just used the Green Pen tweak over the weekend. You know, just to see if it still worked after all these years. Green marker on the outer edge of the CD and Black marker on the inner edge. Old school as it gets and almost scientific. 😬 More air, more dynamics and more detail. More analog than analog. In short, a no brainer. 🧠 Plus naysayers can’t think of a scientific reason why it can’t work so I win. Tee hee An audiophile thing doesn’t have to be hi tech, it can be lo tech. It can even be cheap. The whole issue is really one of efficacy. A thing that’s technically more advanced than chunky peanut butter is indistinguishable from voodoo. - Audio insider |
Being not nearly as learned as most of you on this forum, I spend the majority of my time here reading and learning and drawing my own conclusions on what I perceive to be fact or fiction. Right or wrong, my perceptions are mine until convinced otherwise. I rarely post unless it is to ask a question. I hold no degree in engineering, I can't state unequivocally whether this product works as described or not unless I hear it for myself. But I can still draw a conclusion based on what I've read so far.. Those who are advocating this product-Guys, honestly, you sound like one of those over the top infomercials that come on at 3 a.m. You're hyping it like its the greatest system transforming breakthrough in decades. It works like no other product before it. Put it on any and everything electrical. ("But, that is just scratching the surface of what this magic paste does...!") Whenever a product is hyped to that extreme, it's only natural to be skeptical. You don't have to have an engineers perceived mindset to be so. Anyone who is not foolish with his money will want to know; How does it work? Why does it work? Does the graphene have a higher conductivity rate than the copper or silver wire carrying the signal? Is the paste somehow purifying the signal or the electricity going through the wire? How is that possible? It eliminates micro-arching? What test equipment did the maker use to measure this? How can you possibly know that unless it was evaluated scientifically and data collected to prove this? If it truly works as is claimed, there MUST be a scientifically verifiable explanation and data as to why. Yet the maker offers none. I simply have to go on blind faith and testimonials and plunk down 300 of my hard earned dollars to see for myself. And if it makes no difference in my system and apparently any other piece of electrical equipment you can think of, well that's just too bad for me because the maker offers nothing in the way of a guarantee. Do you see where I'm coming from? No data whatsoever to back up what is claimed the product does, and no guarantee whatsoever that it does what is claimed. It only makes business sense that if you're selling a product of this sort for that amount of money, you would have proof to show it works as advertised. I'm not trying to be a jerk, these are simply the facts as I understand them. That is why I and many others are understandably skeptical. Someone please correct me if I am in error. |
dynaquest4 Geoffkait: "Green marker on the outer edge of the CD and Black marker on the inner edge. Old school as it gets and almost scientific. More air, more dynamics and more detail. More analog than analog. " "Say it ain't so, Joe....please tell me it ain't so" (that you believe this fairy tale). Generally speaking, folks would be much better off if they believed in too much instead of too little. As I suspected, you don’t really have a scientific reason for your belief. Pseudo skeptics by and large are a superstitious lot. |
at thecarpathian: Great post!! You will find, I think, that the answers to your questions will not be provided. You will just be informed that all that matters is that after applying this expensive goo, "my system sounded jaw-droppingly better." Many here will rush to get there order in based merely on that appraisal. And then there are you and I and a few others who are still scratching our heads in disbelief. Also....be aware that our questions and skepticism are important to the discussion. They call us "nay-sayers" but some newbies on this forum need to read both sides so they aren't unduly swayed by posters (with thousands of posts) who spout clearly impossible claims. When I spend money on my system it is typically for equipment upgrades and not useless bling. |
Shades of green paint or marker make a difference..yep the shade difference can be heard. I use a device that we came up with many years ago that is a topper that covers the entire top side of the cd including the edges. With the cover on there is very limited light scatter that can be miss read as errors by the detection system..The inside of the cover is painted green and the top side and edges are treated with AVM..the whole device is then cryo treated..and yes a difference and improvement can be heard in all of these steps. Tom |
Shadorne sez ... "Frank the realtor laughs about his dumb clients. Just about says it all." There is a difference between "laughing" and shaking one’s head in disbelief. And YOU are calling them "dumb," not me. "So what is your commission on these tweak products (fuses and TC etc) ?" None of your business, but if it were your business you’d find that there is no commission involved. Nada. "Do you just get the products for free? Or is their a percentage fee - realtors work on commission..." Again, none of your business. But yes, the product is "free" to a beta tester as long as you discount the hours spent on the testing and feel as though your time and effort is worth nothing. You have a problem with a commission based income Shadorne? If so, name it. I’d venture to say that you wouldn’t last a week in commissioned sales. And by the way Junior, Realtor is spelled with a capital "R." Frank |
dynaquest4 And then there are you and I and a few others who are still scratching our heads in disbelief. Also....be aware that our questions and skepticism are important to the discussion. They call us "nay-sayers" but some newbies on this forum need to read both sides so they aren't unduly swayed by posters (with thousands of posts) who spout clearly impossible claims. When I spend money on my system it is typically for equipment upgrades and not useless bling. >>>>I think you did an excellent job illustrating the difference between a real skeptic and a pseudo skeptic, the latter being the one who is not curious and who never investigates these things. |
There is a simple solution to relieve the fears of the Nay-Sayers ... don't buy the product. Stay home. Let other's make their own decisions .... and you go about your destructive activities elsewhere. The free market will decide if Total Contact will be successful or not. For those who DO make the jump, they will find that all of the "hype" was the truth. Their positive experiences will be posted here and on other forums. Word of mouth will cause others to buy the product and success will be attained. That, of course, depends upon whether the consumers feel they got good results for the money spent, or even far surpassing the money spent. Conversely, if the product is bunk, it will fall out of favor (Tice Clock) and will be unsuccessful. In addressing the negative posters here, especially those who have resorted to personal attacks, my suggestion would be for you to check your premises and ask yourselves exactly what your intent is. Do you get your rocks off over the thought that you may have the power to cause a product to fail even before it hits the market? If so, why? Are you a destroyer and a looter in your "normal" life, or only as a brave keyboard warrior on the internet? Think of the time, money and hard work spent to bring such a product to market. Is this what you are trying to destroy? Do you have a problem with another individual's success? It certainly seems so based upon the treatment Ted Denney has received in both fuse threads and based upon your comments in this one as well. Ask yourselves again ... what is your intent? Why are you so destructive? Here's a knife ... stick it in Ted Denney and Tim Mrock's backs. Feel better now? As I said in a previous post ... its too bad they've closed most of the mental institutions. Shadrone is an excellent case in point. He has no idea of what he speaks. I would LOVE to have him work with me in commissioned sales for a week or two, and when it finally dawns on him what the job entails, watch him blubber, cry and piss his pants. Frank |
Frank is getting a little upset that any one calls him on a product that, in addition to being overpriced, appears to surely be without merit. Should he provide documentation relative to all the "
time, money and hard work spent to bring such a product to market" we might....I say again might...be better able to determine whether this product is the snake oil is appears to be. Surely someone (the manufacturer?) has research documentation that describes how this "paste" was formulated to mitigate all the micro-bursting going on at all my contact points, what the cost of production and marketing is and how he came to the retail price of $300.00. |
dynaquest44 ... Upset? What make you think I'm upset? Are you another genius who can tell what other's are feeling? Do you read minds? If so, you must have a degree in engineering too. You stated that the product is "over priced" and "without merit." How about doing everyone here a huge favor and post the in depth research you've done to arrive at those conclusions. Thanks ... shadrone ... After going to your systems page, I'll say this: Even though you have expensive equipment, I can honestly say that if I spent an afternoon tweaking your system, you'd be amazed. I'm basing this on the errors in the way you've set up your system and your room. You're missing half of the sound you've paid for. Wife problem, right shadrone? Again shadorne ... what is your intent here? Have you looked inward in an effort to discover it yet? There has to be a reason why you are so destructive and insulting in your comments. State it. State your intentions. Frank |
Well, before this degrades any further and someone gets pushed off the swings at recess, I believe I have a solution to all this back and forth...I find it curious and interesting that this thread has been raging for over a week now and nothing at all has been posted by the inventor himself, Mr. Tim Mrock. After all, he is a fellow member, and his product is taking quite a bashing by some posters. No one else has a more vested interest in this than he. Surely he can put a halt to all of this. He can answer any and all questions those of us might have, offering his insight as to how and why his product works as the users claim, without giving up any proprietary secrets. Surely he must know how it works. After all, he labored 15 years to perfect his formula. He can’t do that and not know every minute detail of the process of his invention. Perhaps he can share information on the several patents he holds that helped make his invention a reality. I’m not being glib, or facetious, I’m serious. It can only benefit him to bring the ’naysayers’ on board or silence them by explaining the product and process. By not chiming in, he’s missing out on a huge potential market, where his sales are likely to increase exponentially. Personally, I would like to know how it works, why it works, at what point did he decide to try graphene, what did he try prior to graphene, what does cryogenic treatment do to his product, what data can he show that his product does what is claimed, etc...I find these all to be fair and legitimate questions that only he can answer. Perhaps Frank or Tom can give him a heads up about what’s being debated and he will put this whole thread to rest. |
My advice to tweak manufacturers, never explain anything. It won’t help. It won’t stop the pseudo skeptics’ demands and whining, it will only encourage them. They don’t really care about the truth, anyway. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump. Do not (rpt not) feed the pseudo skeptics! 🍔 🍟 🍦 |
^^^ Perhaps Geoffkait has turned the corner. He must have looked inward and became uncomfortable with his intent. If so, welcome back to the land of the living and the positive thinkers, Geoff. *lol* thecarpathian >>> Valid points. Tim is fully aware of this thread. I think he would agree with Geoff's last post. The release date for the product will be very soon, at which time I suspect that Tim will cover all of the bases to your satisfaction. Frank |
