True, but most speaker crossovers are designed to have the tweeter at ear height for optimum integration between the drivers. I would prioritize this variable.
need advice for sound improvement
Happy New Year everyone!
I would appreciate your help to improve the sound I can get in my listening room from the following system:
- Marantz SA14s1 SE (Ken Ishiwata)
- McIntosh C2200
- McIntosh MC2102
- PMC OB1i
- Wireworld Equinox 5 balanced interconnects
- Black Rhodiun Salsa speaker cables 10 m runs
My room measures L470 x l330 x h240 cm and has one door behind the speakers and one door on the right wall (as I face the speakers). The speakers are places facing the short wall.
I encounter two issues:
1. I cannot find the proper bass sound. Or it is boomy, or it hangs over or it is very thin (good definition but lacks the oomph)
2. The vocals are placed at 1 o'clock (imagine the speakers sitting at 3 and 9 o'clock)
What can I do to improve on the above?
I would appreciate your help to improve the sound I can get in my listening room from the following system:
- Marantz SA14s1 SE (Ken Ishiwata)
- McIntosh C2200
- McIntosh MC2102
- PMC OB1i
- Wireworld Equinox 5 balanced interconnects
- Black Rhodiun Salsa speaker cables 10 m runs
My room measures L470 x l330 x h240 cm and has one door behind the speakers and one door on the right wall (as I face the speakers). The speakers are places facing the short wall.
I encounter two issues:
1. I cannot find the proper bass sound. Or it is boomy, or it hangs over or it is very thin (good definition but lacks the oomph)
2. The vocals are placed at 1 o'clock (imagine the speakers sitting at 3 and 9 o'clock)
What can I do to improve on the above?
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Many thanks again to each contributor. I received a lot of ideas and I will do my best to experiment most of them. I am in the process of playing with the speaker placement and also I have ordered Jim Smith's book. Till it comes, I am watching the educational videos from the GIK Acoustics web site. Will keep you informed once I have more progress. |
I built a modified QRD 13 that's 20" deep, with the verticals 3.5" wide. It broadened my soundstage and helped my bass. I placed it flush with my front wall. Hemholtz absorbers may work, or Dennis Foley has plans for an absorber I'm going to try. Multiple subs will also help. I have about 20 wall panels made of 1" compressed fiberglass board covered with speaker cloth that really helped me. |
The speaker cables should indeed not be a problem, unless the cables would be very thin. See here for some data: http://www.audioholics.com/audio-video-cables/speaker-cable-gauge In general, if a speaker cable has to be long, the solution is simple: use a thicker gauge. In your case I doubt this will make any difference. The most obvious explanation is still room modes, perhaps aggravated by the transmission line design of the speakers. |
Thank you everybody for the new hints. I will try to experiment each of them. To shorten the cable length one of the cables has to run across the walking path as the back wall of the speakers has a circulation door placed with its axis at 2/3 of the wall length. This room is also our living room and we have a dog pet which would sometimes interested to play with this cable. Between the speakers and the back wall I built a piece of furniture which goes from side wall to side wall and above the door up to the ceiling. The electronics are sitting on shelves on the narrower side of the door, while the TV set is placed on a shelf on the larger side of the door. Therefore the R speaker is at about 1,5 m from the power amp terminal while for the L speaker I ran the cable up the wall, passed on top of the door till the other side wall and came down and along the floor to the speaker. That required about 10 m. This solved the aesthetics and the practicality of day to day living but definitely ruined my listening experience. Moreover, this door as well as the door from the R speaker side are always open as there is a frequent traffic. |
Buy Jim Smith's book Get Better Sound. Read it. Read it again. Follow his instructions. Get your setup correct. Install acoustic treatment. Sit back and be amazed how much better your current system now sounds. The room dictates the sound. No gear can overcome that. You have to get the setup correct. No shortcuts. Tom |
That is a small room for this much bass output, and your description matches precisely the consequences (room modes). Moreover, transmission line speakers can have a lot of bass, but it sometimes is too much concentrated in a small part of the frequency response. If that peak and the room modes coincide, the problem can be even bigger. So I would suggest you first measure in room response with a calibrated microphone like the UMIK-1 and the free REW software. Moving the speakers away a bit further from walls and corners may help. Depending on the sources that you us eyou can then start equlizing the reposne. If yo are using a computer as a source, there is the Equalizer Apo software. If you are using other sources, you will need to insert a Minidsp unit or similar. As for the vocals, well maybe the singer was standing in the centre. |