My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!
Understood but unless you have heard and are familiar with the song, you, me and anyone else would be assuming. How many classic rock songs have you heard that don’t have hard transients.... Again, it’s crucial to be familiar with the genre of music. You can’t make Ozzy Osbourne sound like Diana Krall no matter what system you use. It's rock.. if a system sounds smooth playing rock then you got yourself a big problem. |
Visiting this thread during 2020 due to having time on ones hands and having been exposed to limited interaction outside of the home has been a good time spent, it certainly served a purpose to see and hear a few off the beated track equipmment choices. During the 2020 December Holidays and since, the time taken to drop in to watch a Video presentation has been another good time spent. Making assessments of audible qualities of a device through a Laptop has been a stumbling block, but the method has been great for seeing the equipment, picking up on songs worth pursuing and listening to discussions and presentations from guests. I have again, as a result of COVID restrictions being eased, began to visit the homes of others and share in HiFi related social gatherings where a HiFi System is at the centre of the meeting. At one arranged visit just recently attended, I was preparing the music to be brought to the meeting by listening to CD's played in the Car on my daily journies. Out of Four CD's selected, two were new to my collection with tracks not too familiar to myself. When these tracks were played on the HiFi system during the visit, I did not recognise the Tracks and thought the choices were incorrect, not that that mattered too much. What really struck home is what a person can forget. I like the car audio system, it is great for catching up on owned music, I also enjoy Alexa, so much selection on a voice command. None of these are a Dedicated HiFi System as I know it. A HiFi system listened to in the dedicated environment, will produce a presentation that can not be replicated through other types of listening, and definitely not through a recording using a standard type microphone. Any methods used will be way off, unless it is a professional sound recording, with certain file type is produced to be replayed. To try and Mimic the presentation of the system without such support, will be quite deficient in delivering the fullness of the HiFi Systems capabilities. There is very expensive equipment on these video demonstrations, to assess it for its audible qualities without the correct recording information being made available to be assessed, can prove to be damaging to the equipmemts reputation, when the commentry is non complimentary. There are a lot of observers looking in on the content of the videos. Because of this popularity the commentary that follows goes far afield. To be very fair to the equipment producers, the follow up discussions should be clearly defined that all commentry are limited to the perceptions about the audio quality having been replayed through a Laptop, where the sound content of the video has not been produced professionally. I don't see how any commentary can be taken too seriously about the audio quality of the equipment, and any commentary that discredits a piece of equipment, as a result of the video being the evidence to justify the discredit, is very quite unfair to the producer. Any subjective commentary on the Aesthetics or Guests Discussions will have more substantiation as the videos demonstrate the appearance of items and the narration quite sufficiently. |
Here is the M6 with Essence monoblocks with the same song: https://youtu.be/u0KukMhvCkc?t=462 Could it be the m9 magico... |
Well I compared the song Liberty of this teaser vs the Mágico Liberty and I must say that I prefer the teaser by far. The Mágico clip was the one with the Essence monos and the teaser was with the stereo one I believe. I was very happy with the M6 before but now I feel like the reference standard just went up. Unrestrained dynamics make me think “horn”. It certainly seems more efficient. Also is it possible there’s more detail here as well. Mágico has always been the king in this area. This new speaker seems to better portray the weight of the sax as well. What ever this one is it up there $$$ IMHO. I listen to the #2 teaser 3 time and going back for a fourth in a minute. Jay Just about the time I think you can’t go any higher up you always surprise me. Anyway this is my first impression. Going back now to see if I can find any clues to what this is. This one is very interesting. |
carrie1110 +1May need to compare more. I may be in especially receptive today. Background instruments sounds clearer and more apparent but nuanced I don't recall them that clear before. Sorta like that improvement where you got to relisten to all your records. Maybe jumping the gun. It may be just for this recording or just me at the moment. This one interests me. |
Here's the new speaker with a baby essence stereo amp https://youtu.be/Zkbtx3E_B5s Here's the Magico M6 with essence Monoblocks: https://youtu.be/u0KukMhvCkc?t=462 You all can easily click on both and listen. I certainly hope you all are using headphones at the very least... |
Mofojo- Sure I can make comparisons of two different videos. Now that doesn’t mean I can hear what the speaker sounds like in person but yes I can certainly tell the difference between two videos listening to a good set of headphones. Sometimes I also send the video signal through my DAC then out through my system. Sorry you can’t hear a difference but I sure can. Did you listen to the two videos or are you just assuming you can’t tell the difference. Jays videos are pretty good quality You may be surprised what you can hear. I was skeptical too at first. |
Whatever the new speaker is, I prefer it to the M6. On the M6, the opening voice is dark, muddy and veiled compared to the new speaker. No, the new speaker is what it is, even before break in. I always thought the M6 was dark and veiled, even compared to the Alexx which had more pizzazz on upper midrange, HF percussion and such. The M6 was improved with more transparent electronics such as Gryphon Essence, but this new speaker on even a euphonic tube amp would kill the M6 for lifelike clarity on the fastest SS amp. I look forward to hearing more music on this new baby. Mofojo, I am presently using a computer with rolled off HF compared to my usual computer. I still hear the obvious differences. Great show and choice, Jay!! |
Thank you. This exercise is done with a speaker that also retails for 6 figures just like the M6. It is heavier and larger than M6. I want you all to click the links above and listen and then post your thoughts here. This is about preferences, YOUR PREFERENCE... NOBODY is wrong or right. Let me hear your thoughts here on this thread. More videos coming over the next few days that will make it easy for you to compare. Once i have had enough teasers, I’ll be front and center unveiling the beast...but i need to get your feedback first without you knowing what speaker it is in order to avoid the typical bias that exists when we know what brand it is. Just listen to the videos and post your thoughts. Deal ? |
Is this kindergarten? Teasers?.....Demanding so many subscribers before A/Bing certain gear? Constantly justifying why you do what you do? Who, is all this serving? Hardly any audiophiles can even afford this gear. I guess you think you are in some kind of entertainment industry? You want to entertain and get more subscribers? Here is a way. Keep one serious reference system.....do not sell it. Then, bring in affordable cutting edge products and A/B with your reference......and also tweak the affordable gear to make them even better. You would have 100K subscribers in a minute, if you did that. How about the Spatial X3 speakers.....and you could tweak them for better sound. They are only $8500.....built in 15 inch powered woofer. High efficiency mids and tweet using big AMT in waveguide.....all open baffle.....simply incredibly for the money.....what if this speaker was as good as your Magico or whatever......wouldn't you want everyone in the world to know....so they don't need to spend so much money? Now this.....would serve people. I would be here everyday lending a hand. A tweaked out Cube open baffle speaker would be mind blowing, as well. How about the new AGT amps....only $7500 the pair. How about lots of things besides ultra conservative expensive gear. There are some wild inexpensive things out there, that will make your hairs raise up and blow your mind. Or, you can just stick to expensive large box speakers that double as workout machines. Yes, I still love you....each and every one. But, as someone who likes to point the way to the possibilities of happiness......I like to hold up a mirror and state what can be done.....the more people served....the more we are all happy. How can you serve more people? |
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Jay, I like your patient Socratic method. That is, eliminate bias by withholding the name of the new speaker until more listening is done with open minds and ears. This could be your best speaker yet by far. If so, then I agree with ricevs on this one point--keep it as a long term reference, which will best reveal all the ancillary components you want to evaluate at different price levels. This speaker will sound fabulous on a few cheap amps I know and have mentioned. |
Time will tell if this speaker will stay. Im unfortunately cruising at 25,000 ft in the air and there aren’t many more options here that don’t cost as much as a house. I’m erasing the brand name until after we hear a few more songs allowing people to have an open mind. I will keep using the baby essence for this exercise which is doing a great job. Then once i unveil it, we will begin to move up to beefier amps like the Antileon Evo that sits here on the sidelines |
Yeah, agree that the VS Ultra 9 or at least the VR55 should be on your radar. Both have back of speaker adjustments that allow you to adjust the speaker to your room at the location you choose. That coupled with great acoustics, prob a good choice for your room. I am looking at a few models in their lineup too so with you there. |
New speaker with stereo Gryphon Essence amplifier: https://youtu.be/7RyRq4KgfAY Same song with Magico M6 and Gryphon Essence monoblocks: https://youtu.be/MrxMD6v7asY?t=334 NOT ONE PERSON has guessed what speaker it could be. 😂 I’m loving this... When you all see the speaker, heads will roll on the floor... I love doing this to you all because it negates the typical "bias" that exists when we know what it is. It is much better to do it this way. |
Well if we’re being honest your hints can be misleading too. Last time you told us you were spending way less (like 60% if I recall ) and then unveiled a speaker that cost 60% more than Alexx. even if amps were cheaper there is no way system was 60% cheaper (since system included same dac, cable etc) so there’s that ..... |
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Well I think the new speaker setup to me is much more engaging compared to the M6. I guess it depends on what part of the sound you are referring to when you say “more” natural. Dynamics? I don’t thinks so. Clarity? Not even close. Soundstage? Nah. Depth? Nope. To me the M6 sounds boring by comparison, but then dynamics and clarity are important to me. So to say natural, to me I assume you mean more like the live event. In comparison the M6 seems reserved maybe even subdued a bit. However this is only when comparing these two videos. Time will tell, these are just first impressions for both all of us. Right now as good as the M6 is I prefer the new setup. |
Well yes I can agree there are some things that the Mágico does very well. I can definitely appreciate it 100%. No doubt this is a world class speaker and for many people what it does well is more important than what It doesn’t do. This is the case with many speakers. For me I like the new one better and for you, you like the M6. Doesn’t mean one is BETTER it’s just means you prefer one over the other just as I do. I like the M6 as well but new sound has my undivided attention. Maybe it’s just change IDK that’s why I said time will tell. |
