My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Gryphon is better by the factor of ten. Sounds pretty good. Not a matter of personal taste.
Roger Sanders Magtech monos’ will tame any speaker made. 
stable to extremely low Ohm loads. Power and headroom!

 A world class amplifier  

  30 day in home trial. Give Roger a call (the owner) he is receptive and loves to chat audio. 
Stay tuned... My third set of monos has arrived today... This will be the third set of monos to try with the mágico m6 (pass 60.8 and arc 160m first 2 sets)
Then hopefully by Friday I'll have the 4th set in here. All i can say is that these new monos made the m6 sound more relaxed and smoother with far more effortless behavior. Sound got bigger, more resolution everywhere and the imaging got incredibly better. More coming your way !
I love this thread and the videos. It`s a bummer that at my age i know that i will never be able to afford what`s being presented here but it`s still fun and most of this equipment never shows up at the audio shows so thank you WC.

For me i much preferred the sound of the Gryphon over the Pass, reminded me of the best 300B amps but with drive, power and control.
Well, somehow, someway, the new monos have injected musicality into the m6 while relaxing the upper registers. Weird, something i didn't expect to be honest. 
arcticdeth,
I've read the same about Roger Sanders' Magtech amps.  At the extremes of SPL this might be relevant, but with the song presented here, well under 50 watts are used for peaks.  More important is the sound quality.  Resolution is judged at low levels, well under 1 watt (Nelson Pass is correct on this point).  Have you heard the Magtech against other amps at home?  If so, what is the tonality?
thezaks I haven’t been paying as close attention lately so your guess is as good as mine, likely better
@whitecamaross

For a large living room with Focal Stella Utopia Evo, would you suggest:

A) Two Luxman M-900u in mono + C-900u preamp, or

B) Pass Labs X600.8 monoblocks + XP-32 preamp

Listening to all kinds of music, at both soft and loud volume levels. I like bass.
@viber6. 
   Magtechs are amazing at any volume.

  But every amp when played louder will increase bass (spl) in the room. 
  Couple years ago, I called Mr. Sanders, with a written full page of questions,....we were on the phone one sat evening for about 2+ hours. Answered every question in a way I understood about %65-70 of his explaining..........I’m sure he was getting tired of “ please explain in a word friendly way,sir” I’m not dummy, ....but some things are, and were explained like I was a MIT graduate. 
  He kept laughing, and right away, explained again in a way I understood.
    We chatted about sports, cars, audio, food, wine, a lot.
great guy to talk too. 
 The day I’m within a grand$, I’m getting the 30 day trial, and keeping it, as the remaining $ won’t take more than 3 weeks to get. 

 But in Under 2 weeks, getting the Avantone cla-200 power amp. Heard good and bad as all electronics get reviewed.
top quality Japanese parts (whatever that means)

   Transformer is not the very best, as she does not double down in 4  Ohms.  A nice clean class AB studio amp. Will make a good backup. 


Kren says he hasn't been paying attention lately but yet he responds each time you mention his name in here? 
 
Haha, what I meant is I still read the thread and if someone mentions me I'll probably respond, but as far as the videos go I haven't been paying as much attention, and the videos are where WC gives the biggest hints about what is coming, not on the thread, IME.  So yeah, that's what I meant.

Why haven't I been paying as close attention to the vids?  I dunno.  Maybe not as into these speakers?  Just a personal thing - others will like them better and that's normal.  Not a criticism just so no confusion - just personal preference.
arcticdeth,
I eagerly await your listening trial at home with the Magtech.  You never really know until you try it in your own familiar system.  I never spoke with Roger, but years ago his colleague spent nearly a whole day with me and graciously drove me from NJ to Maryland and back to hear a client's model 10B hybrid stats.  This colleague said the same about Roger.

I agree that every amp when played louder will increase bass SPL.  This is because the ear is most sensitive in the upper midrange around 3 kHz.  A voice is loud at 80-90 dB, but bass isn't loud until way over 100 dB.
Having owned the Magico S5 Mk2, S3Mk1, M3, A5 and now M6, i can tell you that the M6 sounds much more different than the rest (m3 being closer of course).
I heard the Alexx V last week and my thoughts will come soon, but i will go on the record here and say the following:

The ALEXX V DOES NOT make me want to sell my M6. I believe the M6 is still in a different class sonically speaking even though it requires more from you. The biggest reason WHY i feel my assessment of the Alexx V is more than qualified is because i have owned the Alexx and i can pretty much gauge how much more the Alexx V brings to the table.
I don’t want to expand too much more and give it away but for now that is all you all need to know.

"Kren says he hasn't been paying attention lately but yet he responds each time you mention his name in here?"

You want more kren, just mention you are thinking about getting a Wilson speaker.
No wilson speaker in sight for me anytime soon. Rockport could be next if i decide to move away from the m6. 
PassLabs for me, right of the bat! 👍
In fairness, since I have an X350.5 since many years with well adjusted bias and DC offset it might be what *immediately* makes me hear the preferred 'naturalness' (to my ears).

The sound is immediately more 'ansprechend' - Pleade Google it if you don't know, as this word has about 5 meanings in English and ALL are nicely flowing into each other... 
M. 🇿🇦 
This was surprising to me but I preferred the Gryphon this time as the Pass sounded slightly softer in comparison.  Specifically I preferred the guitar through the Gryphon (sharper, quicker, more immediate) but the vocals through the Pass (more natural).  And I own a X350.5!
Rockport would be interesting, but it’s your show. I don’t think anyone is too worried about what I’d choose, haha. I don’t lobby for what WC should get, I just predict. Let’s see how long it actually takes before WC moves back to Wilson.....
I got plans for the m6. New monos are here and they are teaching more about the m6s behavior. I will admit that they are like the girl that you dont think is all that attractive at first and as time passes, she begins to grow on you 
What a terrible singing, junk.
I think, the system needs a good active preamp no matter which power amp is there. It is always like that and everyone knows it. Gryphon needs better power cord. 
M6 are in pain because of substandard amplification.

What you all watch on you tube is usually a week behind from what I am actually doing in here... Just keep that in mind. 
I’m not really interested in panels at this very moment. That said, GT audio and i will connect later this year so i can listen to their latest creation.
Right now, as of today, i can say I’m being schooled by my current speaker. Cables are now far more significant when it comes to the contribution they make to the entire presentation. For instance, i removed the synergistic research Galileo speaker cables today and put back the Nordost odin 1 speaker cables in place and the soundstage got massive and now the "recessed" mids (as some of you called them) are now deeper, bigger and more articulated.
It’s quite easy to pin point things with this speaker. You can literally give me one of your cables and i will tell you what it does or doesn't do sonically. It’s that easy to asses each component.
It would have been interesting to hear the Odin used with the Pass amp.  I'm also wondering if the Odin with the Gryphon may have been too much of a good thing.  Maybe you already tried these combinations.
Why are Single Ended Tube amplifiers not very popular especially those using 300-B tubes and 2A3 tubes.
I enjoy your pain, rbach, enjoy it too.
I am not complaining, I say what I think, not all of it though.
Surprisingly, I seem to like Gryphon's entry level amp more than Anthelion. Not enough for these speakers but I think it's a very good amp.
It is also educational to see how 700 wt/ch not a bad amp loses big time to 100 wt/ch class A amp. 
inna,
This song at natural levels requires little power.  Jay and I agree that for maximum detail, dac direct is best.  For loud music, a preamp adds dynamics, but clarity is sacrificed for this.  But for this song, an added preamp will blunt the delicate transients of the opening guitar and the subtle inflections of the voice later.
final:

https://youtu.be/zAYDowdrmAU


Please note: try to level match both presentations on  your end. The Pass labs presentation was a little louder (my mistake) so it is crucial that you guys use your volume to try to match the volume from both presentations. 
This concludes this shootout and i will release my thoughts from inside the room on the next video. 



When it comes to sheer clarity and resolution, a dac will always add the smallest nuances and longer decays that are often lost using a great preamp. That said, ( i have repeated this many times) you can not use a dac to blast your system to club levels. You won't last more than a few songs before you are walking out of your room. The dac is meant to be for low-mid- volume listening sessions (80db and under is best). Once you begin to climb in volume, most dacs will fall apart, lack grunt, control, thin out, begin to scream and fail to truly engage you. The digital feeling begins to also stand out (if you have a resolving system that is). 
A preamp is the ticket when you are listening at louder levels or when you have speakers that simply need more volume to get going. The punch that my M6 is capable of is only brought out when i am using a linestage in the mix. Also, the soundstage gets bigger with a linestage so if you have a big room that you need to fill up with sound then please insert a linestage. 
Still prefer the Essence on the Final Essence vs Pass shootout. I hear more information and detail with the Essence. Looks like you adjusted the volume on the dac to better level match the two presentations.
The results from the poll are as follows:

142 votes:
53% Gryphon Essence
29% Pass Labs X350.8
18% Too close to call it
A preamp is the ticket when you are listening at louder levels or when you have speakers that simply need more volume to get going.
+1 Jay
I purchased a preamp, following one of your videos where you trialed one of your previous system, with/without a preamp. Great upgrade for my system.
You might and almost certainly will lose some resolution with the inserted preamp but you will gain in everything else. Even at moderate levels.
So we are more or less in agreement.

@whitecamaross It would be interesting to to hear your feedback with the Benchmark LA4 preamp with any of your amps. I was just conversing with someone that is using the LA4 with the CODA  #16 and he loves it.  There are a few people with very expensive systems that are inserting the LA4 over their very expensive preamps ($20K+). A poster on A'gon and a few on WBF have stated this.

The LA4 improved my DACs with a better volume control and since it measures quieter than all my DACs it does not color the DACs sound.

I also have a CODA 07x preamp and it is great. However, I can hear it in my system (sounds beautiful). My Benchmark HPA4 preamp (same as the BM LA4 + headphone amp) makes me feel as if I do not have a preamp in the system. So you can really hear your other gear. 

Something to consider by going against convention.
yyz,
Did you actually use your DAC direct into your power amp, and compare the DAC + LA4 + amp at the same volume setting?  As much as I admire Benchmark, I am skeptical that ANY added electronics is perfectly transparent and neutral.  For example, I went back to my Sony CD player from 1995 after going from the Sony digital out into the Benchmark DAC 1, which adds lots of gain and a volume control.  Even though I am making big sacrifices in volume capability so I can't play loud music, the softer chamber music is much more detailed with the complete Sony than when using the Benchmark.  I suspect the preamp and volume control of the Benchmark DAC 1 isn't so great.
Most (if not all) electronics add some sort of "seasoning" to the presentation. When we say the word "neutral" with regards to a component, it isn’t really 100% neutral, but rather as close as you can get to the actual recording without deviating too much from what is the truth.

Gryphon adds muscle, control and bass
Boulder adds tube-like qualities (new boulder gear that is)

Who the hell knows what "accurate" actually is these days? NOBODY does...
The only thing we can do is go out and listen to live events and then compare at home. That said, most live events make me grab paper napkins and stuff them in my ears (true story by the way). It is either too loud, too bright for extended periods of time and ear-fatiguing. 
 What is interesting to me is that if we have speakers that present to us such traits of live performances (brightness, loudness, etc) we immediately "ax them". So then this begs the question, are WE REALLY "neutral" when it comes to our own ears or not? do we REALLY want to hear this "bite, brightness" found in real live performances ? That is the question that i have been personally asking myself lately.

Part 1: 
Which one is the better amp? Essence or Pass Labs x350.8?
Here is my take from inside the room:


https://youtu.be/8zqYMvdKNak
"do we REALLY want to hear this "bite, brightness" found in real live performances ?

No, we don’t. If it sounds terrible live, I want to leave, just like a bad movie. My time is more valuable than that. Why would I want that same poor sounding experience in my home, even if it sounds exactly the same as the poor sounding live experience? With a live poor-sounding performance you might put up with it bc the ambience or whatever else is fun and it makes the crappy sound survivable, but at home.....why??

You don’t purchase terrible tasting food just because it’s pure or clean or neutral or whatever - well some probably do and they can have it. No thanks. Plenty of great tasting food that is very healthy.

Back to sound, the only thing I care about it that it to sounds excellent to me -- that’s all that matters, the rest is just criers screaming from the mountaintop, alone and deservedly so (and if that’s their deal - more power to them, glad they enjoy that - just stay away and enjoy your poor sounding system (to me) that you think is neutral but you admit can only be tolerated at low volumes, and I’ll do the same with the sound that I like).

Here’s the thing. It either sounds good to you or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t, don’t try to convince yourself that it should and maybe there’s something wrong with you because you don’t appreciate the purity - ha, just go with what you know to be true, it sounds like $&#*$! Simple enough, don’t tie yourself up in knots.

Everyone hears differently so for some it may sound good to them, or they may be tricking themselves because they think they want purity - doesn’t matter, that’s their choice and as long as they’re happy, so be it -- but only you know whether or not it sounds good to you
No argument from me. This is why i really want to enjoy as many speakers as possible so i can eventually decide which one really made me feel more in touch with the music. However, many people dont have the exposure to many speakers in order to know if there might be something else they might enjoy more. Rockport is high on my list now and probably going to be the next one in line, but i can't say i will be getting something like the Lyra. If i go with Rockport, i might do the Avior 2 or maybe the Cygnus. It really depends on what is available to me at this point. I have no control as far as what is available to me. 
I would not mind revisiting Vivid Audio (G1 spirits would be great) or even Kharma Midi which i have never owned.