My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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I'll try to do that for sure..but you told me right after i removed the momentum and  placed the pass labs 60.8 on top of them. Damn it lol 
Jay, what is the name of the first tune and of the performer in D'Agostino/Gryphon comparison ? I like the song.
To return to your Gryphon/Boulder/D'Agostino comparisons, most of us will never have such an impressive sound. I would also think that any of these power amps should sound just great on its own feet on the floor, not that it may not be improved. There are probably hundreds of various footers. I might try SRA or whatever it's called platforms, though.
As for my mentioning of tape deck, besides the vastly superior sound quality, one could eliminate preamp and run directly into power amps. As pure as it can get. 
Again, I like Boulder, it shows all the negatives of the recordings, it shows everything there is to show. But it won't sell well, I guess.
I don't think anything at this price point sells well regardless of the brand. 
I ordered the new artesania stands last week which are the upgraded version of the one I own. I should have them in about 2 weeks. 
I have parted ways with my critical mass maxxum stands that the boulder sits on. They will be going away when the new ones arrive. 
That was Mark Knopfler but I would also like to know which song/album that was from.  I liked the Gryphon performance better but could understand how less than perfect recordings could get fatiguing.
Right, but I would guess macho Gryphon and soulful D'Agostino would appeal to more people than big Boulder.
Not to me. Studer A80 with Boulder amps and some speakers. I like your Wilsons enough. That would be quite a sound. Well, if you need digital capabilities too, just pass the signal through Studer.
Just wanted to say that the pass labs xa60.8 are sounding quite good for an affordable amp. I’m very impressed so far. It has exceeded my expectations to be honest. No issues driving the alexx as long as I stay within reasonable volume levels.  Could it be the boulder linestage just elevating them? Or maybe the Nordost odin speaker cables? We shall find out!
On second listen, the Gryphon might be just a wee too much of a good thing.  Can someone please identify the Knopfler tune, or at least the album, used in the comparison?
Jay - I agree with your analysis of the Boulder and Odin elevating the Pass. Actually, I would refer to it as allowing the Pass to perform to its full potential. I am currently using a system with somewhat more modest components than I was used to, but they are pretty well maxed out with cables and platforms that most people in the price range would not buy. I was shocked to see how much the better associated equipment brought out in the components. And I think it’s likely that most people considering the Pass would not be pairing them with a Boulder preamp or Odin cables. Just curious, what percentage of your system would you say you have invested in cables?
I'd say maybe 20-25%% are cables?
I actually am very surprised to hear the 60.8 sound this good. Don't get me wrong it isn't a Mephisto or boulder 2150 but the level of performance is still impressive. 
Makes me wonder if buying an  expensive supporting cast and an affordable amp would actually change the way most of us feel about cheaper amplifiers. I don't even remember my xs300 sound this good which doesn't make sense. 
I was having a conversation with Mike (suncoast audio) and we both agreed that it is harder for a manufacturer to build an outstanding linestage than it is to build an outstanding amplifier. 
We algo agreed that you can take an average amp and match it with an outstanding preamp and that presentation would trump an outstanding amp with an average preamp. 
Wow, that is high praise indeed for the xa60.8.  Maybe time to bring the m900u back for a sixth time for a shootout against the Pass??
No m900u available until June. They are backordered. 
I'm not sure I want to revisit Luxman again. I've been there 4 times. I'm waiting on their next amp. 
I wanna see a shootout between Pass XA60.8 vs. D'Agostino m400.  Pass at 20% msrp of m400 can beat it???  Let us see head2head!!!
Pass cannot beat DAg M400. 
Only lower priced amps than can compete is a pair of Luxman M-900u.
Maybe. One way to find out! C’mon WC! I doubt he’ll do it though.

He’s had the Pass Labs for 3 weeks or so, so total opportunity to put that together. WC handles and can manipulate those under 100 lb amps the way weakling mortals handle a loaf of bread (see Pass reveal vid), so size/weight inconvenience can’t be reason.

If we never see that shootout it likely means that Pass would have embarrased D’Ag and he doesn’t want to show D’Ag in poor light. Otherwise why not do it? If Pass sounds as good as XS300’s as hinted above by WC it is a shootout begging to happen.
So, by comparison, if WC says that the XA60.8 is not as good as the Mephisto or Boulder, and if kren0006's statement is correct - that he's deducing that WC says the XA60.8 sounds as good as the Xs300, then we can say that the Xs300 is not as good as the Mephisto or Boulder. 

I think though that WC had different speakers, cabling, etc when he had the Xs300's, so that would be a tough one to confirm.

Dave
I’m just saying everything is here so let’s do the direct head to head comparison.

I’m not making any transitive claims, so don’t try to put words in my mouth. WC made the remark about the XA60.8 and the XS300 so you’ll have to ask him for particulars on what he meant.

But for the record, WC said himself in today’s video that mephisto and Boulder 2150 are the two best amps he’s ever owned, so you don’t have to twist yourself in knots trying to get to the conclusion that they beat XS300, WC told us that in video released couple hours ago. Take it fwiw. I haven’t heard any of those three in person so I’m hardly one to judge 
I did say that you are "deducing what WC says", not that you are saying it  - so I'm not trying to put those words into your mouth  :-)
While I agree that WC can confirm those particulars, I think it still might be difficult, given the differences in the system now vs back then.

Dave
Ok, I’ll slow down and explain again. WC said himself that Mephisto and Boulder 2150 were the two best he’s had. Listen to the video. Therefore he necessarily thinks they are better than xs300 since he’s had those too. C’mon Dave, pay attention!! : )
kren0006,
Like I said, while I agree that WC can confirm those particulars....
I am not convinced, because he's got a different setup now from what he had back then.   I'm not sure how to slow that down any more  :-)
Dave
I have already filmed the 60.8... video will be out next week and you will easily be able to listen to it and then go back to the momentum video from last week and compare both videos...
The Momentum are packed and ready to ship.
The xs300 were great amps but the heat 😱.... Just too hard to justify that heat when you have a single Mephisto demolishing things...

Next week you will get to hear the boulder with stock powercord versus Transparent Opus and then you will hear 4 rounds (videos) of the pass labs 60.8 with different cables and different tunes.
I want you all to simply gauge what happens to an amplifier  when it is partnered with powercords that cost more  than the amps themselves  and with a superior supporting cast.
Jay, I recently tried the Audioquest Dragon Zero in my Boulder 1110 + Boulder 1160 system (big mistake). The sound is absolutely incredible, the solidity, purity, grain free yet dynamic presentation. I can't spend $20K plus on speaker cables at the moment, in your experience, what's a speaker cable for the Boulder setup that can compete at a more reasonable price say $5K MSRP?
WC don't recall but which gear did you use those Audiomica cables in? Would they be a choice for divertiti system? I've thought they are very musical and open and for the money have made me forget about looking or listening too other cables....at least for now. Lol
@diverti:
I'd say look into a used set of Nordost odin speaker cables. I also love synergistic research Galileo even if it's the old Galileo. 
jc4659, thank you. Very good song indeed.
I hope D'Agostino amps are coming my way. They romanticize things a little but are very impressive.
Just read Fremer's review of the Boulder amp. He said almost exactly what I heard. Spectacular amps. The only real kind of negative is that Boulder is a little dry. And he played analogue source too, not just digital.
Power cords more expensive than amps they are with ? At a totally different level I got $2k power cord on $2k amp. Yeah, I tried less expensive. No, wasn't good enough.
$99k pair power cords for Boulder monoblocks ? Well, could be interesting.
Pass labs xa60.8 have powercords more expensive than the the amps themselves...not the boulders lol 
@whitecamaross , to compare the XS300 to your current set up is a mistake.   Completely different setups, cabling,  speakers,  pre, stands and so forth. Not only that,  but you're not using your phone to record anymore either. Much like yorr response in regards to Block audio amps, and any other gear,  outside of what is currently in Your room.  The only valid assessments are those made when gear is compared when all conditions/ancillary gear is the same.  Boulder told you footers wouldn't make a difference under their amps, and yet, you did just that.   However,  in the Boulder manual,  it CLEARLY states you separate the pre from its power supply and you claimed it "wouldn't make a difference ".  Jay, I, like others have bought items from you;  so to ask someone who asked you  a valid question to relax; that  no one is buying gear at this price point is disenginious.  Not long after that, you post that "one of your amps is sold".  I understand why you stay away from little known product lines,  Coda gear may just surprise you in a good way,  very much like your new pass amps.  By the way,  if anyone wants to compare their Pass 60.8 to the XS300, youre welcome to my house.  I will  repeat my sentiments; at this level nothing crushes / destroys anything...  its about preferences.  If M Fremmer wanted Boulder, Pass, Mephisto,  he would have it; instead,  he owns and listens to the big Darts.  , I'm not a dealer for any brand. 

Respectfully, 
Jose
I never said the 60.8 are better. People want to read and assume which is different. I said i don’t remember the xs300 sounding this good and that could be because they didn’t have the level of electronics i have today.
I’ll be very candid here though:
I am not interested in Coda amps. Nothing personal but I’m not researching or calling anyone to bring them in here. I am saying it respectfully and not trying to start up anything. Let’s put the word "coda" to rest.
If anyone wants to send me a coda amp to try, you all know my email address. Let’s do it ?
You said, this is about preferences right? Well Jay does not want to try coda anytime soon. (my preference). Nothing wrong with it correct ?

Official announcement:
If there are any coda owners, jay will eat shipping charges both ways to try your amp. 
Some readers have short term memory.

Any Pass amp that WC reviewed, except for the XS series, has sounded broken as soon as he pluged in a pair of Luxman M-900u to compare directly.

Don’t make me quote the posts , this is exactly  the word he used...BROKEN.


Could we vote on two people to do the following:

1) Tell Jay what to review (at Jay's cost and risk of resale).
2) Tell us what Jay meant when he wrote something.

It would cut down on having to read through a lot of posts to find the worthwhile ones.
Lol.... 
Why don't i just steer the conversation away from potential arguments by sharing something with you all...
I wasn't going to share this until a future video but here I go:
 Jay is starting a new system from scratch....some components have been sacrificed and are packed and ready to ship out.... I'm doing a big 360...
hi Jay I'm thinking of replacing my Pass XA30.8 with an X250.8. as I find the Xa30.8 lacking in impact and detail. It sounds very warm, yes.
I also have an xp12 that I don't like since it takes a lot of detail and push from dCS Bartok.
but the doubt assails me with the Luxman 900.
Can you advise me?
Thanks
Interestingly, you thought that D'Agostino Momentum integrated sounded much better than Gryphon Diablo 300.
I heard some people preferred Diablo 300 to Gryphon lower level separates, not Mephisto. Some also stated that Diablo 120 sounded better to them than Diablo 300. In both cases they stressed musicality, whatever they meant by that.
I thought that big Boulders controlled the speakers better than Mephisto, but I wasn't in the room.
Wow, Alexx, Boulder, Gryphon, all gone. Folks will be chomping at the bit to see the new system.
Tubes, the wamm, so many ideas in my head. The show must go on and I'm glad you all are as excited as i am!
It wasn't easy to let go of everything, but i was already looking ahead and it was time. 
Next speaker will certainly be at the level of alexx or above. Electronics will be a step below what i had here. 
Let's see where I end up. So far, i don't know a clear cut path. 
@whitecamaross 

Alexx or above. There's only the XVX or Wamm. XVX is IMO much better than the Alexx, but $329k. Not had the chance to hear the Wamm yet. Would like to though.
I am exploring different speaker brands. Not just wilson. 
I'll miss the alexx dearly! 
Have you considered Devore Fidelity Orangutan O/96 speakers? Could be a good choice for a second pair of relatively affordable speakers and a good partner to your future tube amp. 
Do the integrated amp shootout I posted about! That is what would drive subscriptions and views. It’s brilliant!

keep the xa60.8 as a separates benchmark with a reasonable priced preamp and see if any of the integrateds can beat. Ratings Gold I tell ya!!

Alas, my prediction if not now within six months is Gryphon Mephisto mono blocks (solo or whatever they are called) and the new Wilson AlexxV. Book it
Wilson just announced a successor to Jay's speaker, the ALEXX V due out in March. Alsyvox should be on the list as well as the just-released GTAW Reference 3.
Many options but there is only one winner ....one world class speaker...get ready to be shocked..2-3 weeks time...  
I actually am very surprised to hear the 60.8 sound this good. Don't get me wrong it isn't a Mephisto or boulder 2150 but the level of performance is still impressive.
Makes me wonder if buying an expensive supporting cast and an affordable amp would actually change the way most of us feel about cheaper amplifiers. I don't even remember my xs300 sound this good which doesn't make sense.
Just goes to show EVERYTHING is important in order to maximize components potential.

Jay, you mentioned that you were thinking of MBL but are put off by possible electronics matching. I wouldn't be put off by that, I've heard the big 101s and small 126s with the Boulder 1110 + 1160 combo, and they had amazing synergy. Myself and others all thought MBL with Boulder sounded better than with MBL's own electronics. Boulder brings a level of incisiveness and authority that was missing with an all MBL system. 
Of course, Boulder electronics should be better than MBL, I am not surprised at all.