More Bass

"rear firing tweeters" huh?
 

Yes. The signature 3‘s have them. Were they omitted on the SE’s? 
 

Below is a link of a photo of where to locate the rear firing tweeter in case there is confusion. 
 

Buy a couple SVS SB1000 Pro subs that’ll undoubtedly augment your bass and other areas ass @blisshifi mentioned.  They’re only $1150 for a pair and offer integration software that’ll make life a lot easier, and at only 13” square they offer a really small footprint for what they deliver.  And with a 45-day, risk-free trial period including shipping both ways, why the hell not?

@wturkey ya, my speakers don't lool anything like that. 

https://legacyaudio.com/products/view/signature-se

And, how the heck did you post that picture? I wanted to post a couple of shots of my "Busy" room!

@soix - sounds good, I just need to figure out where to put 'em. Everybody says I have a big room, but it's feeling pretty cramped to me.

Working on posting pics...

The good news is that the included integration software should greatly expand your placement options, which is the beauty of the 45-day trial.  

@audphile1 - OK, I finally got some crummy pics up on my system page!

@soix - ok, before I make that leap I'm gonna get some more hours on the Sigs first. Thanks!

Leaving the speakers only 1 foot off the back wall ain't going to be good.

I've had similar struggles to yours and adding subs never helped in a 2 channel system, at some volume the sub bass and mains quit playing together. I had a velodyne with a remote volume and phase button, one of several solutions I tried, but my solution finally came when I got the right amp for the speakers. I don't have LA sigs, but thought they offered active bass for their speakers different drivers? If you could go active for the bass it would make a difference likely as not.

@steve59 - This is probably one of the best suggestions. I was thinking active before buying all the separates (Dutch & Dutch 8c in particular), but my wife was actually the proponent of separates, but wasn't thinking ahead enough regarding room problems. Plus the 8c’s on stands aren’t all that attractive.

Trading up to the active Signatures is definitely an option (I think, I'd have to talk to the dealer first) and the upcharge to actives isn’t much more than adding a couple of subs.

My only concern would be will the actives produce as good a sound as the pricey pre/power amp that I have right now (taking the room out of the equation)? As I might not live here forever and have a better situation in the future.

Instead of trying different recordings which vary from recording to recording, why don’t you get a Testone CD or if you subscribe to TIDAL, you can use this Testone album called “audio line up test tones”. You can listen to a frequency at every hundred hertz for approximately three minutes long. While the frequency is running, it gives you time to move your speakers around. I like running 30 Hz and then running 20 Hz. It’s amazing how many speakers say they’ll go to 20 Hz but you here next to nothing versus playing 30 Hz and then 40 Hz and then 50 Hz. The towns keep getting louder as it’s easier for this speaker to reproduce the sound.Try it works great!

Also, if you don’t trust your ears, you can run say 30 Hz test tone and use your phone or iPad with a spectrum analyzer app and have it remember the strongest signal. The iPhone app is accurate enough to tell you if you’re getting a stronger signal by moving the speakers around More so then your ears probably are. If you can play the test tones and you have a smart phone ….you have  all the tools you need to figure it out before you go spending any money

@raysmtb1 - Thanks, There seem to be many of these apps, can you suggest which one might be best or is there a "Spectrum Analyzer for Dummies" I can find these kinda things challenging! 

@navyachts I just found a new one that’s really easy to use and let you record your results so that you can record before and after you make a change. It’s called.”youlean LM lite”. It uses a measurement called a LUF. This is supposed to be the newest way to measure sound. You can read up on what an LUF is here.this is all new to me, I’ve just found this this afternoon. It’s very interesting if you’re trying to figure out what makes a change in the sound. I think it’s pretty easy to understand and I’m not very smart guy.

@raysmtb1 - Awesome, thanks, I will read up on this. It's my day off today, so I have to cook, clean, shop, take out the garbage, then help my wife sort out her studio. I will check this out to tomorrow when I go back to work for a rest.

I agree with the poster above who recommended Anthem's ARC Genesis room correction, except the easiest and least costly way to obtain that is to purchase one or more of Martin Logan's subwoofers. ARC is incredibly effective and it is much easier to set up than Dirac Live (I have both and I prefer the results from Anthem over that of Dirac, so far). I have two Martin Logan Dynamo 1100X subs and I can confirm that they reach reliably to 22Hz (I checked with a tone generator and SPL meter) and they deliver very satisfying deep bass.

@vladtheimpala  great idea, but those subs are kinda pricey!

I’m going to start investigating active speakers.

They are. I see that the price has risen substantially since I acquired them. 

Just chatted with a Coda/Legacy dealer (third party). Please see the posted chat below. They have no problem with the speakers being up against the back wall.

I also moved the speakers out 2 feet and they really didn’t sound much different that 8" off the wall, go figure.

Hello, with regards to a Coda pre & power amp driving Legacy Signature SE, many who have seen my room say I am going to have nothing but trouble acoustically due to numerous factors. Some suggested going active as with the Signature XD. Taking the room out of the equation would the XDs sound as good on SEs with $8K worth of Coda gear?

* Hi, happy to help!

Thanks, I’m sure you’ve heard both

* Yes, we have both all of the Legacy and Coda here. What kind of a room are we looking at? And I assume we’re talking about the 8?

Multifunction room with lots of hard surfaces, lot’s of furniture and no room to pull the speakers out from the wall. 16’ wide 22 feet long slight vaulted ceiling (lengthwise) and yes, I have the 8.
Some say the actives can go right up tight to the back wall, what do you think?
Speakers would be about 6 1/2’ apart. Listening position about 8’ back.
I’ve always preferred separates just not sure if this is the right place to do it

* Both the XD and SE can be placed the same distance from the wall. The internal amp is the difference, and the construction/polar pattern are the same.
A sealed cabinet is always able to go close to the wall, and both the XD and SE are the same sealed cabinet.
An 8 is enough power for a Sig SE. Your room accommodates Focus SE, so if you’re seeking more bass output, you’d want the Focus SE.

OK, thanks for your help.

The dealer recommended the Legacy Fountain sub (at $4235 each, ouch!) or move up to the Focus, which is HUGE, I can barely move the Sigs around now.

I just bought Focus XD three months ago.  Their bass is just out of this world.  Best bass I have ever experienced in my audiophile life for over 30 years.  I had Thiel CS7.2, Revel Salon 2, Alon Exotica with Thunderbolt sub before.  But the Focus XD blew them all away in the bass department.  My room is 25x14 feet with 14 feet vaulted ceiling, and also an opening in the left to the kitchen behind my listening chair.  My room is very similar to yours.  Legacy is famous for great bass.  I am very confused with your situation.  However, XD has an internal amp for the bass.  I use external amps for the mids and highs.  Signature SE should provide plenty of bass even though it doesn't have an internal amps.

My Focus XD is 7.5 feet apart, 7 feet away from back wall and I am sitting about 10 feet from the speakers.  I have Conrad Johnson preamp that inverts phase.  I have to invert phase again at the speaker terminal.  If I didn't do that, bass was absent.  

You don't need break-in.  Bass was awesome from day one.  Signature SE is 4 ohm.  Legacy used to use Coda amps for their demos at shows.  So Coda should not be a problem.  I don't know Coda.  Is it configured to drive 4 ohm?  You said your speakers are only one foot from back wall?  If so, it should have plenty of bass since it is sealed.  

Been down this road many times…simplified my life and found that truly enjoyable sound isn’t that complicated.  Played around with free trial speakers and discovered that a good Horn/Dynamic speaker design can be insanely addictive.  Two of the best moderately expensive ones I have used and enjoyed immensely are were the JBL 4429’s and the Klipsch Cornwall IV’s.  They delivered smooth, natural and lifelike sound/dynamics without phase issues or bizarre impedance curves.

@dave_b - Appreciate it Dave, the Sigs are heading back so I’m on the hunt...again

@jeffseight - "Is the trial period over?" Turned out to be the best advice of the thread, thank you!

Let the fun begin…don’t be afraid to try stuff that isn’t Audiophile approved ;)  

Music Direct is reputable and honors their trial period guarantee without hassles.

Just noticed JBL HDI 3800’s on sale…they have a full, dynamic and visceral sound with clean smooth extended highs.  Easy to drive and place with great soundstaging.

Also, biggest mental hurdle I had to get over was to think I couldn’t use an EQ…having an EQ will save you tons of money and give you satisfaction with all your music.

@dave_b -- OK, thanks for the tips.