Mitigating the Bubble

@ghasley 

What exactly motivated you…

I’ve loads of tweaks in my system and pretty much happy with all of them. I was going to buy / try the HFC Q45T contact enhancer but it disappeared just as I was about to purchase. The thread on that, the 1260 predecessor material, lead me to this thread.

Reports seem to indicate that Nanoflo was at least as good as the Q45T. I’m happy I tried it and looking forward to how the sound of my system will improve over the next week. I was very happy with it last night, after only around twelve hours after the application of Nanoflo.

Am I supposed to stop my written  descriptions of what has been a great part of my life living and working in audio? My writings are about the product  benefits and not of its maker. His comments on this thread are a detriment to his product:'s acceptance. Tom

@sheridd2 

Its a good thing you like the result. Earlier postings in this thread seem to indicate the treatment is irreversible.

What exactly motivated you to purchase this product? Was it the mountain of testimonials from “credible” sources or the amazing sets of data provided by Nano-Flo showing before and after results?

No, I’m not kidding. There was live snooker on the TV and it was really sharp. Now the TV is Samsung Q9F fed off a PS Audio Dectet with a Bybee iQSE sitting on the Connect box and the picture and sound going through a Sonos system is superb.

I know the picture and sound really well as it’s used a lot and I could see a change in the picture. Didn’t really get to test the sound out at that stage as I was more interested in checking the stereo system.

Elaborating a bit on my earlier review of the music system, tonally the system hasn’t changed, which was one of my concerns that Nanoflo might affect this. I’ve worked hard to get my system were it is and I didn’t want the sound to be changed. Nanoflo doesn’t change the sound, it just gives you more of what you already have.

@theaudiotweak so you are willing to do business with someone like Chris? So, I guess you grade character on a curve?

@holmz +1

Holmz,

Do you have a list of measurement tests for electrical components or conductive polymers that correlates line by line to descriptive adjectives that gives you the magic answers you seek? Tom

I have a volt meter.

Magic descriptions, I suppose require and magic answers… and I am well out numbered here on the magic front.

This thread reads like a mix of a Jerry Springer episode, and something by Philip K Dick. But the Dick novels were were less schizophrenic

In fact the line by line descriptions almost have the look-n-feel of all being penned by the same hand.

I saw a video improvement after an application of nps 1260 so the Sheridd2 experience is of no suprise.. I will remove 1260 and replace with Nanoflo when more is available for sale. Tom

I would like to assume you are kidding.

After nanoflo completion I tried a TV in an adjacent room that runs off the mains fuse and the picture was sharper and brighter than before, had to tone sharpness and colour down a bit.

Actually, it was the cleaning of the contacts that made the difference, not the no-name goop that you applied to them afterwards.

BTW, if you play CDs, try polishing them with ArmorAll.  It transforms them.  Really.

Back to the main subject of this thread, Nanoflo.

I received mine a few days ago but it was only yesterday I was able to work on applying it. I first cleaned the contacts of my mains plugs, iec's etc with iso prophyll alcohol. I was surprized how much dirt came off onto the cotton buds.

I applied Nanoflo to the one fuse that powered my audio sockets, a 30 amp fuse, in my main control panel (again after cleaning it). After nanoflo completion I tried a TV in an adjacent room that runs off the mains fuse and the picture was sharper and brighter than before, had to tone sharpness and colour down a bit.

Back to the audio side. I applied Nanoflo to my PS Audio regenerator internal fuse and it's mains plug, plus all the mains plugs running off the regenerator. I also did the mains prongs in the receiving equipment, cd transport, dac, pre-amp, power amps etc and the music XLR interconnects. Lastly I did my speakers and a pair of Tannoy supertweeters that sit on top of them. There's also a pair of SR XOT crossovers hanging off the speakers, also done, of course. Speakers connections going into the power amps were also done.

Listening, powered it all up and starting listening, I knew something was wrong as sound was quite spacey and out of phase but I let it run for an hour. Turned out I'd wired one of the speaker connections going into the amp the wrong way round. Sound now was what I expected.  I turned it off at that point.

Max Townsend of Townsend Audio, (passed away recently), says that if you've moved your power cords or interconnect cables it takes at least a day for your system to come back to normal.

My system also doubles as my home cinema setup, with the pre-amp having an av bypass that allows my mains speakers to be my front left and right speakers for movie watching. I subsequently watched the new Spiderman movie later and finishing that I played a couple of CD's, 50th anniversary Sgt Peppers and Rolling Stones, 40 licks, disc one. I know these two discs extremely well and they sounded like I know them, except different. Volume level was the same but I was hearing more detail. The backing vocals in Sgt Pepper came through much clearer. I just had a feeling of being closer to the music. On the Stones discs I play 4 or 5 favourites, Street Fighting Man, Gimme Shelter, Paint it Black, Honky Tonk Women and It's All Over Now. Again, these came through clearer than I've ever heard before. At this point the music was so razor sharp, not in a bad way, that the speakers were disappearing and everything was in the room. The sound stays the same as you know, just more detail coming through

I think Tom mentioned earlier in the thread that the sound continues to improve for about 6 -7 days. I'm looking forward to hearing how mine progresses but even now I'm very happy with what Nanoflo does to my system and that was around 12 hours after application of Nanoflo.

Chris in onto a winner here.

With someone claiming, without hesitation, that a contact enhancer increased their audible volume or dynamic range is it any surprise these charlatans exist?

I will treat the cables I already own and have used for 10 years or more. I imagine their fully broken in by now so any addition to the contacts should be easily heard. Tom

Holmz,

Do you have a list of measurement tests for electrical components or conductive polymers that correlates line by line to descriptive adjectives that gives you the magic answers you seek? Tom

@nano-flo 

You have little to no credibility. You have yet to answer the question. Claims of increased electrical conductivity and yet, you have no proof. You have been asked repeatedly “how do you know electrical conductivity is increased” and “please share the before and after data you relied upon to make the claim” and so far….crickets. Communicate the data or don’t, no big deal to me. The $1000 power cable you now offer for a $5 throw away home depot cable was “a bridge too far”. You should be ashamed that you even thought that was a good idea. 

I perceived an increase in dynamic range after application to only 6 rca ends. I can listen at much lower levels without feeling the need to jack the volume up as much as before the application. Is the gain in percieved dynamic contrasts the same as "Louder'?  Cannot remove and measure and then reapply and measure again because nano particles may not be able to be totaly removed..and then the fact I dont have any more to reapply to measure again. I trust my ears and experience with  my body as a listening tool.Tom

I would rather trust a measurement, then the testimony of someone making seemingly wild claims.

But then there is no going back now, as application has all the mythical elements of Achilles being dunked in the river Stix.

And oh yea, tastes like chicken

OI know chicken and snake can seem to have a similar flavour.

@ghasley 

Simply amazing…make it up as you go along. Make claim, test afterward.

After reading your rude comments here and on the Diamondback thread, and after checking all my email accounts for your anticipated correspondence but not seeing any, I retract my kind offer to send you a free sample, but it's up on eBay should you ever want to experience something lightyears ahead pf Total Contact. And it wont give you cancer either.

I will have fuses up on ebay next week, and once I get a few thousand bottles filled I'm off to the big A.

Warmest Regards,

The new kid on the block.

Man, if you guys made a movie of this thread, you'd win a Oscar...

LOL. 

FWIW. 

I ordered Nanoflo 4/2.

I received it 4/6.

Krissy handled the entire transaction including confirmation email with tracking number.

I applied nanoflo to my entire system and achieved an excellent  result. 

And oh yea, tastes like chicken 

@twoleftears : Both non-synthetic and synthetic lubricants need to be classified as "food grade" before it can be used in food and beverage manufacturing plants. Being classified as a food-grade lubricant means that the grease is not toxic when consumed and it doesn't have toxic additives like lead, lithium and zinc.

We need an MSDS sheet and by law he would have to provide one. 

Yep and there are black helicopters flying over his house.

Quite MC will hear you.

@tsushima1 :  Are you inferring that MC must be the puppet master behind the scenes of this thread and the Nanoflo saga? 

Merely noting the association.

@tsushima1 :  Are you inferring that MC must be the puppet master behind the scenes of this thread and the Nanoflo saga? 

Please name them because I want to know..Tom

Why am I not surprised that one or two of the players in this nefarious game are acquaintances of MC !

The product(s) may or may not work for their stated purpose (Nano-flo doesn’t know) and they are offered for sale by a guy I wouldn’t let cut your lawn. Its your money though…the test results illustrating efficacy (or not) for improving electrical conductance doesn’t exist or Chris would have posted it by now. Tom, you “perceive” that you can listen at a lower volume. I would rather listen at one click louder to NOT have this arrogant person in my life. Chris, if you are reading this, you can give that free sample you keep trying to give to me to @theaudiotweak 

Your a poor detective...The answers for your questions can be found within posts of this thread. Tom

This gets better and better, like a really complicated detective novel. It’s food grade safe but bonds so well to metal that it can’t be removed. Oh the humanity!

I perceived an increase in dynamic range after application to only 6 rca ends. I can listen at much lower levels without feeling the need to jack the volume up as much as before the application. Is the gain in percieved dynamic contrasts the same as "Louder'?  Cannot remove and measure and then reapply and measure again because nano particles may not be able to be totaly removed..and then the fact I dont have any more to reapply to measure again. I trust my ears and experience with  my body as a listening tool.Tom

Now I am Krissy whoever that is? What an a-- . Another standard tactic. Can’t defend against the smart guy so make up an attack. I don’t know if you are totally deceitful or unbalanced.

I guarantee there will be no "EE" report next week or it will be so vague or poorly described to be meaningless.

Simply amazing…make it up as you go along. Make claim, test afterward. 

Rick,

No problem with you, but that's the point, and though nobody was to know about me I get a phone call about my enhancer that only ms. deluded knew about, then I got paid by Bob S. at my arnoldlegalfund email by someone that never should have had that email. I refunded him immediately and let her keep talking. You are all easy marks for $800 enhancer and $500 fuses, so I heard. Even though my paste is worth it, who am I to argue with an audio expert? Back to reasonable pricing and soon to amazon but the cable is killer.

Chris

My first ever post on nano-flo was 03-22-2022 at 07:28pm, at the time it was unnamed, and "the new kid on the block" was being kicked around.
I have written plainly about what I heard, and pick no bones about it.

No idea why Krissy never mentioned this, but I shipped her some of my secret sauce on 2.25.22 and she said she did all kinds of conductivity, flow and audio testing on it and claimed it was 1000 times better than TC.

She suggested sending it to the group for testing themselves

She suggested pricing.

And she obviously had other ideas she forgot to share with me as she continued blabbing what was agreed to be kept secret,

She even wanted to call it perfect path and now she's masquerading as a guy called deludedaudiophile signing on two days ago and sounds just like Krissy bragging about what a great physicist she is. A moderator check on the IP address would be nice. 

Anyway, the finished cable is up now, but don't buy it, just look please. EE testing from someone you can trust next week. NanoFlo will be back up tomorrow at $399 for twice the amount in the $800 bottle Krissy said you guys would go for. Cut out the middleman and you save some cash.

Chris

Is there any measured data that shows anything with respect to noise, or more volume or less conductivity?

Or is it solely based upon listening after the lore is professed?

@twoleftears - oh, I so don’t want to encourage Chris (nano-flo) but I did not detect a volume increase with the product, a possible result of better conductivity.

This following is 100% pure speculation, grain of salt with the following please?

Since only a small number of units were sold, how is it you tested NanoFlo but there is no record of you getting any?

It was a @rixthetrick which on my pad says 4-16-2022 @7:58 AM

@twoleftears - oh, I so don’t want to encourage Chris (nano-flo) but I did not detect a volume increase with the product, a possible result of better conductivity.
This following is 100% pure speculation, grain of salt with the following please?

Since only a small number of units were sold, how is it you tested NanoFlo but there is no record of you getting any?

I don't perceive my views on many topics that audiophiles treat as religion would be well received here.

There are a few who might.

@ozzy - will do.

I'm getting off the thread topic so check out my thread in the cable forum about the Dragons.

Power Cable Break In - Such a Change!

ozzy

@ozzy - fair enough.
Funnily enough I had heard a pair of Dragon PC when I was at a hifi store in El Paso. Used in conjunction with a Niagara power conditioner in the middle and it sounded brighter and more revealing, I have no idea why you didn't like the Fideliums, it was the same impression, brighter and better bass. I guess I'll wait to read your impressions of the Dragon PC in your system. BTW I loved it, just don't have the budget for it at the moment.

Obviously rooms, systems etc are all different.
 

I've corrected my poor grammar, I hope my reply is now clear.

ozzy

@ozzy - the presentation, the effect is similar in mine as the Fidelium speaker cables produced, and by comments other have written possibly in others systems as well. And I may entirely be incorrect, it’s happened right here in this thread. Grain of salt I suppose.

**Edited to reflect changes in posts**

rixthetrick,

"@ozzy - you did not like the Fideliums, this may or may not apply to your system if you do use nano-flo? Once applied, not really reversible (so I have been informed)

I don’t understand how my not being impressed with those speaker cables has anything to do with the nanoflow.

ozzy

@twoleftears - oh, I so don’t want to encourage Chris (nano-flo) but I did not detect a volume increase with the product, a possible result of better conductivity.
This following is 100% pure speculation, grain of salt with the following please?
@ozzy - you did not like the Fideliums, this may or may not apply to your system if you do use nano-flo? Once applied, not really reversible (so I have been informed).

I was told by Jeff Smith of Silversmith cables (USA), that one of the reasons the Fidelium speaker cables sound so good (besting in many reviews much more expensive cables) was the principle that it lowered reflections within the cable, this is also the premise that Mad Scientist (New Zealand) use in their highly regarded, highly praised reviewed cables.
I don’t know if Jeff will mind me saying this? He told me that his cables were designed entirely from knowledge and he ran the numbers until it was a very good result, and didn’t need to hear it to know it was a winner.

Why does it actually sound really good, it may be that it somehow lowers or lessons the reflections in the cables connected to it. The Fidelium cables do have resistance and the geometry does lower skin affect, while the volume slightly decreases the noise also decreases and the sound is portrayed on a lower noise floor. Like I stated, and others may or may not chime in, it does however have some of the characteristics of silver conductors, without the glare that is sometimes noted in presentation. Volume didn’t appreciably seem to change though.

@nano-flo - it was Krissy who informed me that I was not correct, Krissy confirmed that at least on that and a few other areas of your explanation are correct. I stand corrected and though I am not particularly fond of your business practices (not that I am of any concern to you), my opinion of myself is more important to me, so yeah, when I speak out of line with truth, I’m more than likely to own it and apologise.
Humble pie isn’t tasty at all, there’s no sugar coating it.

You are welcome....Dont let others dictate your way....

I don't perceive my views on many topics that audiophiles treat as religion would be well received here.

Carpathian

You were right it was about me.. Sorry about that.

Gotta get back to product benefits not personalities... Tom