Almost any sub that has controllable crossover points and volume will do.
You'll want to set the sub crossover frequency to about 65Hz so it will have no output above 80Hz. In this way it will not attract attention to itself and you can thus place it where you get bass at the listening chair (do not assume that it simply goes between the speakers). This may take a bit of work, moving the sub.
A more ideal method is to use multiple subs, so as to break up standing waves in the room that are caused by the low frequencies bouncing around and cancelling themselves or reinforcing themselves. To do this you need four subs and they are placed asymmetrically in the room. Again, none of them will have response above 80Hz so they won't attract attention. The best subs for this purpose are made by Audiokinesis in Texas and are known as the Swarm.
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before you start getting subs, you had made a comment in a previous thread that your room was lively. have you addressed the room at all with room treatments? |
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you dont need a subwoofer. |
In my opinion, Vandersteen has the best way to integrate subwoofers into a system.
The Debra system is often mentioned, and I know Atmasphere considers it quite good (and I respect his opinion),
But, from my personal experience, I know Vandy subs that are 30 years old, still perform as they should. Though they require the use of an external crossover, they really fade into a room when properly configured.
I am moving to the new Sub 3's and expect the equalization ability to be as good as the 4 sub method espoused by the Debra.
If I had:
The Time
The Money
The Room,
I would try both systems.
But, I don't.😜
Bob
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The best way to integrate subwoofers into a system is to bus them to a neighborhood with no subwoofers.
My subs are less than two years old. They fade right into the room. With the lava lamp on you can barely even see them.
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Have you considered an Omega sub to mate with your speakers? I use a DeepHemp 8 with my Super 3i's. Perfect match. It added that foundation I was looking for as well. Louis makes great speakers, including subs. |
Thankyou Melvin, I had thought about it but still open. Riley, the room is still lively but as much a problem now. The kefls50 in that room at the time were really not well suited. I know the room is only tolerable but was comes into play. Thankyou all for your comments.
anyone compared the rel t7i to speedwoofer, hsu or rhythmic l12? Trying to find best value. |
Buy a pair of rel t7i, set them up next to your front mains and give it a listen. If they do not do the trick simply return them. But more likely what will happen is, you will lose the attitude about "best value" and be gaining a new attitude that is more like "how long will it take to save enough dough to buy 2 more". Or maybe just the 2 will put you where you want to be. Either way, when you try this, you will be so happy that returning them will be out of the question.
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@brianportugal
Riley, the room is still lively but as much a problem now.
huh ? you should still consider room treatments. buying different equipment / speakers isnt going to fix the room issues. |
I just received the first of two REL t7i's yesterday; the second got separated in shipping. I bought these to augment my B&W 606 S2 bookshelves. It took no time to get it set up and the transformation in soundstage and imaging was absolutely amazing. It is very easy to implement into both a 2 channel stereo or as a sub for HT. There are two ways to connect it and both at the same time. One connector goes to your right and left channel amp post and another RCA for a normal LFE connection. With just the one I am utterly flabbergasted! I know that after some run in and tweaking placement I will have an amazing system! I am using a Parasound integrated which has crossover settings on it. Right now I am using it to set my crossovers but I'm thinking I should probably use the settings on the sub itself. If it makes it any better I don't know if I can handle it! Get the REL. You will be amazed and satisfied. Get two and you'll be floored! |
Have fun dialing it in and let us know what crossover point you find that blends best with those bookshelves. Curiosity-thanks.The final sound should be pretty enjoyable. Good luck.
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I don't want to hijack OP's thread, but as an Omega user also experimenting with REL I am curious to hear how it goes, as well as what others think.
My Omega XRS floorstanders are rated down to 40 hz, and in my tiny room (11' x 10' or so) I haven't been using a sub. For fun, I pulled out the REL Tzero that I basically had packed up and was not using, and surprisingly I enjoy it. However, the Tzero supposedly barely goes any lower than my Omegas, so it's not really extending the bass as much, as boosting it.
I'm now wondering if I should (1) get another Tzero and run a stereo pair, since I like what Tzero is doing; (2) forget the Tzero and get a bigger subwoofer with a 10" or 12" driver, to get some actual bass extension; or (3) do #2 but get a stereo pair of the bigger subwoofer.
On one hand, I don't have much experience with subs, so I don't know what I'm missing by using the one Tzero. Would performance be much better with another Tzero or a a bigger sub? On the other hand, I don't want to end up with a sub (or subs) that overwhelm my small room. On the other other hand, I've been told in other venues that a bigger sub doesn't necessarily put out "more" bass, just lower bass - and that I really should go for a bigger driver.
Curious if anyone, including OP based on this recent experience, have any thoughts. |
Zm I was wondering what the t zero would do as well so Thankyou . I just want to reinforce the bass not get down to 20hz. My listening area is 11x13 but it’s an open concept so the room measures much larger. I always wondered I’d Rel and the dealers were steering me to the 7i because of the amount of bass the room needs or what the omegas need. I’d love to try both. My room acoustics have improved but I know that to get it much better I have to add items my wife would be opposed to so it’s a compromise. |
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