Looking for a new power amp - choosing between T + A, Atoll, Rogue


I have been upgrading my stereo.  I am currently running the following:  

Teac PD-505 CD transport

Chord Qutest DAC

Audible Illusions Modulus 3 pre-amp

CM Labs CM914a power amp (very old)

PMC twenty5/26i speakers (brand new)

I am happy with the current sound.  But since purchasing the PMC speakers, I am thinking that I should upgrade my amplification.  My dealer is recommending the following power amps: T + A A200, Rogue DragoN, and Atoll AM-400.  Questions:

- Is my Audible Illusions pre-amp good enough to do justice to the PMC speakers?

- Any recommendations as to which power amp would be best for my configuration?

I like a full solid sound, with good high-frequency response for imaging and tonal quality, but the system must sound musical.  I listen to a wide range of musical styles - about 50% classical and 50% everything else.  I have been very pleased with my current amplifiers.  They were great for my old Rogers Studio One speakers, but I suspect I should upgrade to do justice to the new PMC speakers.  Any feedback would be appreciated.  Thanks!

dhaswkly

Congratulations on your new speakers. Just checking… but they are broken in? I’d make sure they have a good 200 hours on them and you know what they sound like with your current system before swapping anything.

Assuming you like the sound characteristics of your Audible illusions preamp then I would look to upgrade your power amp. I see you are shopping in the $5k range. That is a difficult price range. It is about half of audiophile products and above budget components. I would consider carefully where you want to go… towards slam / details or musicality. 
 

You can get a used amp at about half price from entry level audiophile equipment.  I would consider a used amp from Pass… an X series if you want slam and details and XA series if you want warmth and musicality. I’m sure there are some other good choices… but this would significantly improve your system.

Do you have them plugged into the speakers? Do that and listen first before thinking about any supposed "upgrade" to an amp@dhaswkly 

 

Your speakers that are coming have the median sensitivity of bookshelves as a floorstander (85.7dB@2.83V/1m) but aren’t a current hungry speaker and any 4 ohm stable amp should do.

So they’re middle of the road when it comes to "hard to driveness"

 

Any of those amps will do. Just pick the one you like aesthetically.

 

But if it’s Purifi Eigentakt power amps I have a more distinguished manufacturer in mind who doesn’t price gouge unless your dealer has good pricing

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Your Audible Illusions preamp is stellar and definitely worthy of your speakers.

I would go for the Stereo 100 Dark over the DragoN. I really like Rogue’s full tube products but never been impressed by their hybrids. 

Personally, I would probably even take a Cronus Dark over your AI preamp paired with a DragoN. 

Based on the description of what you’re seeking, the Stereo 100 with your AI preamp would be a great combo. 

If you’re set on solid state, the Parasound JC5 is very full and musical. Like other JC designs, its distortion profile is 2nd-order dominant, and therefore, uncommon among solid state and almost tube-like. 
 

Clarifications:  All equipment is broken in.  I've had all components including PMC speakers for at least a few months.  I'm in a small market, and my dealer carries all three product lines (Atoll, Rogue, T + A).  But he doesn't stock the models I mentioned.  So I have to purchase based on reviews.  I've heard my equipment with a lower-end Rogue and lower-end Atoll, and with the T + A M200 mono blocks (higher-end than I'm shopping).  I loved the sound of the T + A, but obviously it was not a fair comparison.

@ghdprentice - are you suggesting that I should up my price-range?  I consider the speakers high-end; I actually like them better than any of PMC's consumer models, and am looking at them as my final pair.  I want to do them justice.

If you want to optimize your speakers to gain the most out of them then you would want to optimize your whole audio chain. Yes, I think your speakers would benefit from an audiophile amp. Used can get you into that category. So, you don’t have to increase your budget. Most of the stuff I would recommend is over $10K new. It puts you in a place where all aspects of the sound are really well reproduced. 

Then you’ll need to look at your DAC. For long term planning purposes I look at 30% speakers, 20% amp, 20% preamp, 15% DAC and 15% streamer. Having a really solid performing preamp and amp will set you up to get the most out of any input. Of course this is just a generality. I have gone much higher on electronics and got much more out of a pair of speakers than you expect. 

There are some good recommendations listed. The only area where I would disagree is going by price. For example, if you have a $5000 budget for an amp, then you're going to buy a $5000 amp. Do all $5000 amps sound the same? Not even close. I would focus on finding the right amp. Not one that fits a price category. If it turns out that whatever amp you pick is out of your price range, you at least have a reference as to the type of sound you are looking for. And sometimes you get lucky, and like a cheaper product instead. If you live in the US, there are some pretty good non local options if you would consider other brands.  

@dhaswkly, @ghdprentice has always had solid advice on this forum.  He is one of the first persons I look for on comments on a broad range of subjects. While in the end, you will find what fits best for you. You will be well informed on some of the best approaches and options available.  

If you want affordable tube amp, Rogue ST100 on a used market is a bargain. If you want good solid state amp, look into Coda no.8

+1 @kofibaffour for your guy in Ohio.

 

OP the output impedance of 1.2k Ohms on your preamp is going to limit your selection of solid state amps and rule out all low impedance solid state amps IMO. The minimum is 10:1 load to source bit this still may be to hot, it would be for me, so 20:1 or greater may be the safest direction to go in so nothing under 30k IMO. Also be sure to check the input impedance for a single ended connection to the amp you purchase if it has both balanced and RCA connections because they are rarely the same. 

For me no doubt the Atoll, it is a quality brand and can compare with much more expensive equipment, the Atoll AM-400 for me for sure.

Also the Atoll are said to have a warm sound but with a lot of details and very musical, should match well with your speakers.

Good luck in your search.

We Are an Atoll dealer thea400 is an incredible amplifier

smooth musical with great dynamics

 

Dave and Troy

Audio intellect NJ

 

Sorry, perhaps I was not clear. You don't purchase based on how much something cost... you buy the very best sounding and compatible component around that price. It is not price driven, more like restricted. When I have assembled systems it is based on sound quality, in the end, the costs have fallen roughly into these categories. My current system is  30% speakers, 20% amp, 15% Preamp 15% DAC, 20% Streamer. 

I would definitely consider another dealer if you cannot demo these pieces in your system before purchase.  Considering the amplifier can make a massive difference even at similar price points, I'd recommend trying a few at the same time so you can properly A/B them.  Otherwise you'll always be wondering what else is out there.  I honestly would not mess with a dealer that doesn't have demo products of what I'm trying to buy.  Or has a very easy return policy... 

On my amplifier journey I've tried 10 or so different amps throughout the last few years on both of my systems.  The Pass Labs XA30.8 wound up being the keeper in my studio system.  I have no experience with these amplifiers, but I do think T+A makes outstanding gear based on my experience with their DAC 200.  I highly recommend anyone in this price bracket to try one before swapping other gear if you can afford it.  Some dealers can get deals in the low $5000 range. 

People who have these rigid %s they recommend for components seems kind of silly to me.  There are values at different price tiers that make these types of assessments irrelevant.  I recommend anyone with a solid system try a T+A DAC200 and tell me that it isn't worth the cost of entry if you're a primarily digital music listener.  I do think going big $ on speakers always makes sense though because especially if you get large and heavy speakers, they're a big commitment and are harder to move and sell or to ship.  So always make sure you're ultra happy with your speakers first, then the rest of your components will fall in line and your speakers should reveal all upstream component changes as you upgrade.

Let us know what you wind up with!  Very curious on your thoughts on those amplifiers if you get to A/B.

I have a lot of respect and good experience with Atoll. A quality company.

I also think buying used is a no-brainer good idea.