Jazz for aficionados

Fantastic live footage, indeed!  Thanks for that.  Byas sounds awesome.  The first two minutes or so of the clip are priceless; Dizzy speaking.  Two things that stood out for me.  The first at about 0:25 and is something that some jazz fans don’t seem to want to accept for some reason:  the musicians themselves were and are the biggest “geeks” of all.  That is their language and what makes it all tick.  The other is at around 2:05 and to paraphrase Dizzy: the highest level of playing is reached when sober.  Must have been a great hot dog 😋!

O-10 this is for you after the recounting of Your long-lost Love.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL-tmF-d6JM

rokNice piece on Clora Bryant.  certainly a pioneer in woman's jazz who paved the way for others. Hats off to her for Having the courage to persevere in a man's world. As she said" the music was in my skin".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4l7GKWGqLg 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYdf0JmrJMo

Lee
Morgan's and Johnny Mathis versions of" since I fell for you "are the best

You got that right nsp !

nsp,

I played trumpet from middle school through college and we never had a girl in the trumpet section. Don’t recall seeing any in other bands either. Just seemed normal to me. My sisters played piano, clarinet and flute.

After listening to Ms Clora, I think the boys just didn’t want the competition. Or didn’t want to get their heads cut by a woman. She can play.

Cheers

Questions to Mr Know-It-All, oops errrr I mean The Frogman

Carlos Kleiber / Vienna / Beethoven’s Fifth.

Why is this considered the best recording of this work? Is it the playing, Conducting or the recording engineers?

I can hear more of the inner goings on, whereas in other recordings there is just a wall of sound.

Cheers

Frogman, you could f--k up a wet dream.

Well, what a nice thing to say, O-10. Thanks so much. May I ask what exactly offended you so? Was it that I dared to bring a bit of well intended humor to my response to the story about your experience with your lady? Never mind that I cared enough to address your story and make a musical offering. Or, was it something else? Honest questions.

Response to Mr Know-Nothing, oops errr I mean Rok2id. Not that that any kind of response is deserved. It has nothing to do with the recording engineers; well, very very little. The rest, you can try and figure out on your own. If you care to be a little more civil, I would be glad to elaborate.

Seems I'm the only adult in the room.   Everyone else is pouting.

Cheers

Let us altogether examine what happened; I wrote a "vignette", that is a small impressionistic scene, an illustration, a descriptive passage, a short essay, a fiction or nonfiction work focusing on one particular moment.

I've done this a number of times, to really put a song into focus; mary-jo has remarked how much she liked them.

pjw kept things moving along in a positive manner by mentioning how much his Mom liked that song by Johnny Mathis; so did Rok, Lenny Welch was his favorite.


Frogman, all of that was just too much for you; you had to rain on my parade;



"O-10, that must have been some lady that caused you to spill your beer all over your shoes without you even noticing ☺️. That was probably the reason that they were looking at you instead; not to mention the forlorn look on your face."


Although you're my personal "negatron", remember, people who live in glass houses should not throw rocks, especially at people from St. Louis, because we throw back them big red St. Louis bricks, and we have piles of them.

OK, O-10, lets examine it. I could dismiss all this as an over reaction on your part. I won’t. I had no intention nor desire to “rain on your parade”. In fact, I was playing along. By your own admission (just now), your “vignettes” are often times fiction. As I said before, what I wrote was simply a well intended attempt at some humor while at the same time recognizing the more “serious” aspect of what you wrote....I referred to the “forlorn look on your face”. I then contributed a version of your song that I thought you might enjoy (you’re welcome). Is that not “moving things along”? Is there no room for a bit of humor? I thought it was kind of funny, and a scenario not out of the realm of possibility. I am sorry that you didn’t get the humor. I still want to know just what exactly it is I wrote that caused you to feel that way; to feel that your parade was being rained on. The bit of humor? You don’t like Al Jarreau? Rocks? What rocks was I throwing? That you spilled your beer when you saw her? My fiction. Anyway, with respect, I think you are seeing something here that simply is not there. Bottom line: is there really anything in what I wrote that deserves a response using obscenity? Hardly. Btw, were you wearing a pair of those cool two-tone black and white shoes? 😊. Regards.

Frogman, after reading your last post, I realize how much better off we would all be if I just disregarded all your posts.

Sorry you feel that way, O-10. I still don’t get it and would still welcome a better explanation. Nonetheless, I offer a sincere apology for making you feel that I was “raining on your parade”. That was far from my intention with any of this. I hope you reconsider; but, as with all of us I’m sure, I don’t believe it is necessary nor appropriate to have to tailor one’s style of writing and interacting on an on-line forum (!!!!) by second guessing someone else’s expectations or needs when the only “infraction” is a bit of harmless humor. I would only add, and for whatever it may be worth, that my experience has been that the reasons for our reactions are not always what they may seem to be. I wish you well.

Check out the piccolo!

https://youtu.be/1oMfgTkRBak

Guys, I do not post much (can’t say much about jazz, I may only paste few announcements of what I am listenin’ at that very moment) but I am following your postings often. Each of your postings. And I appreciate the contribution of Each of you here. And I do not see here any deliberate intention nor someone’ s obvious desire to deliberately undermine the opinions/stories/preferences from others. If that by any chance happens, one can always apologize. However, criticism, making fun of, jokes, ironies are most welcomed, at least in my book. But without the insults on personal level. If we have a will to do the things right, I think we can do whatever we want.

The title of this thread is "Jazz For Aficionados", not Orpheus and Frogman; with that, I return to the subject of the thread.

"Nica's Dream" by Dee Dee Bridgewater is my favorite vocal of that tune;


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEFHBKLsbxc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lju13U1zEE

I just noticed that I overlooked Schubert's post; he didn't say much, but what he said resonated with me; he mentioned Lee Morgans version of "Since I Fell For You".

That, without a doubt is the most incredible instrumental version of that tune there is, and anyone with the sensitivity to recognize that makes them a remarkable "Aficionado".

While being able to articulate what you feel helps on a thread like this; the bottom line is the importance of "what you feel".

As usual, you got that right 0-10 !
Also, when Johnny Mathis hit a song at his best , he owned it .

Nica's Dream:

Both clips were great, but since Horace Silver was actually playing on the messenger clip, and with that lineup, it's no contest.

However I do think Dee Dee's 'Tribute to Horace Silver' CD is one of, if not the best example of vocals put to Jazz tunes.   The entire CD, each track, is a winner.  Contrast her effort with Carmen McRae doing Monk.   No where near the energy.

Of course we could say the same when comparing Silver to Monk.  Two completely different styles.

I posted this on the other thread.   Another great effort to put words to Jazz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiceSi25xJA

He reminds me of Nina Simone in that, he does a lot with minimum backing.

Cheers

A blast from the past:

Was really into this guy and folks like Quincy Jones, doing my first steps into Jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUea2OLUa7A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TflwD_-V4Eg

Cheers

Schubert, lets face it, the reason we liked Johnny Mathis so much was because his songs reminded us of the most beautiful girl in the world; she was the one we were in love with at that time.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsLITm1K3xE

The king of make-out parties. “Chances are...because I wear a silly grin....”

Rok, I've got just about everything by Oscar Brown Jr. and as much as I like that one, I'm going to submit another one.


This is my hometown girl, and I like everything she does; maybe it's because we both been drinking that Mississippi River water all our lives, I don't know what it is about her, but without comparing her to the other divas, I like it.


      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILzXUGiQRKY

All Blues:

Mr Oscar Brown Jr   hollers 'Uncle'.   Ms Mardra rules!!
Very Nice.

Cheers

Rok I've got a stack of Gabor's records; here's my pick for today;



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Nd3E3dVYw

Rok, I don't know whats wrong with my link of Gabor Szabo but it refuses to start at the beginning of the album; back it up to the beginning.

Szabo:

I remember buying his stuff when I was stationed in Germany.   In the record stores there, you could play the LPs on the store's turntable.  If you liked it, you bought it, it not, you put it back on the shelf.   That drove me nuts!!

Cheers

Today’s Listen:

Art Blakey, Dr. John, Fathead Newman -- BLUESIANA TRIANGLE
Windham Hill Jazz. Expect the unusual.

Used to hear and sing some of these when I was a child.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7B7Yv61PAA 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhR5cX4tS5g 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7aINNmnlng 

Aren’t we all glad Blakey chose drums over singing.

Cheers

Jumping in midstream here so if you've covered him already, my apologies. I'm talking about Gato Barbieri. The tools of most great jazz musicians have a distinct voice regardless of what instrument they play. When you hear Miles, Coltrane, Jamal, etc, there's no mistaking them for someone else. Their voice is immediately recognizable. The same can be said of Gato's tenor. It takes only a few notes to identify his tenor's unique sound. Very underrated tenor IMHO. Thoughts on Gato?

J.Chip

jchiappinelli
I have to agree with you Gato had a very distinctive voice on his instrument. I did post something from Blue Notes" Complete Communion"  album last year but don't remember it receiving much response. I like his early work which was mostly in the  avant-garde category and  his work on the impulse label. Don't care for his later more commercial recordings. The soundtrack from the early seventies is one of my favorites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dPNHriiZA

@jchiappinelli

I remember him from my LP buying days, and I think I may have owned a few, but not any now.   He seems to have been a part of the 'free' Jazz movement.   That would explain why I didn't really get into his music.   I spent a few bucks on Cherry and Shepp before I learned that you can't, and don't have to, like everyone.

Cheers

Rok, Gato spent about 10 minutes with Don Cherry in that "Free thing" and I didn't like it either, but since then he became one of my favorites; I have him all the way through his various evolutions.


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRI6CvtO6o


          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD3nK8700NA

My school orchestras (I'm 65):

Trumpet:  all boys
Trombone:  all boys
Baritone:  all boys
Tuba:  all boys
Violin:  all girls
Cello:  all girls
Flute:  all girls
Clarinet:  mixed
Oboe:  mixed
Bassoon:  all boys
Sax:  NA
Tympani:  all boys
Bass drum:  all boys
Snare, cymbals:  all boys

Given the times, I'm sure we were funneled into certain instruments according to gender.

This is more like the Archie we all know and 'love'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTwssAfBgvo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_qRyVkVaaw

Cheers

The A.S. songs I posted are from a few of the approximately half dozen albums he put out that were not radical free jazz. IMHO, Archie’s paying is brilliant on those sessions, particularly the one grounded in Gospel.


Speaking of Gospel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMSWJxNlaww

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wX-YWOr8RQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5krFNUMQHI

O-10 , I was never that romantic , I liked Johnny Mathis because he had a lovely voice and was master of his craft . I was always a one-woman man and got the one I wanted.

That said , a lady  friend of mind once said how ironic it was that a gay man was the greatest instrument of pregnancy in the world .Could be .

Nice Mahalia Jackson, pjw.  Wonderful singer.  I feel as nsp does re Gato.  I never found his “free” stuff credible; he never sounded quite in his element.  I think he found his niche with his later stuff which had more of a “world music” vibe with a heavy Latin Jazz/pop leaning.  Didn’t care much for it, but he seemed more at home with it.  I never thought of him as a Jazz player, but more of an enjoyable stylist.  Re recent discussion, try and find a Gato recording, any recording, with Gato playing a Jazz standard.  There aren’t any (that I can find). 

I agree with you on Shepp. The ones you posted were really very good. But I guess players evolve in what they think is a positive direction. When they do, they lose, and gain fans. One of the comments on one of my post said "this is the greatest Jazz tune in history". Takes all kinds.

Don’t get me started on Gospel. Your clips were great. These are some I listened to today.

Today I was watching a political event that took place in Colorado.
This was playing of the PA system. Had to look it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XaKmUsqoc

I think the good folks at Abyssinian Baptist in Harlem are a little more authentic, but this sound is better. Baptist in Brooklyn?? Sounds incredulous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNw04iBZnR8

The lead singer can get irritating, but the groove is great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZMwVj4cVyw

Cheers

I liked Gato a lot, especially his Latin third world jazz.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZxiL5gdmjc


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-txBekIo-5o


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkrD5rXYhCg


That last cut is "Speak Low" by Gato

Those "Golden Gospel Singers" are superb +  plus !  I'd go a long way to hear these believers .

Moving to Norway where summer days are longer...

Norwegian jazz saxophonist
~Jan Garbarek (age 72)

Jazz composer and theorist George Russell, described Jan as “the most original voice in European jazz since Django Reinhardt”.

The Guardian:
"ECM's founder, Manfred Eicher, used Garbarek to establish the cliche of Nordic jazz being icily exotic and romantically gloomy, using tons of reverb and echo to suggest that Garbarek was playing up against a Norwegian fjord. In fact, on 1976's Dis, Eicher did actually record him playing against a Norwegian fjord – you can hear Garbarek blowing into a wind harp as the North Sea laps in the background."

~~~☆~~~

Jan Garbarek - "Hasta Siempre"
https://youtu.be/T5KYZ2F9IRs

Jan Garbarek - "Brother Wind March"
https://youtu.be/Mjgr9UJuODM

Jan Garbarek has said that he seeks to make his playing “fit the tone, texture and temperament of the music. It’s about finding a common language.”

mary jo, 

Thanks for posting the Jan Garbarek links.

It was nice to wake up today, get a cup of coffee, open up the laptop and listen to those two wonderful songs. Brilliant paying by the band as a whole and Garbarek is, for lack of a better description, awesome on the sax!

rok,

I like Gospel music by a large chorus. There is a Gospel church within walking distance of my house and I often go there to hear the music.