If it continuously "grabs you" and "draws you in further" its high end, or at least as high end as needed.
YMMV. |
It doesn't have to be expensive by any means, but you do need to make the effort to look for cheaper live shows at the right venues depending on where you live. If you're interested in the upside of exposing kids to live tunes done right, you'll find a way. Just eat and/or drive less for a week. Or two;-) |
Just heard Naim $250k Statement Amplifiers and preamp at NY Audio Show. The Naim rep claimed that the company has already sold 30 units internationally and has another 30 units on back order for new customers. I'd say the high end audio market is doing just fine... |
An audiophile never has enough money. We have to know every trick in the book. |
Zd542, I never thought of that before, I'm glad you did! |
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In regards to my statement above, I can't understand why my checking account is out of funds when I still have alot more checks left to write."
You need to write your checks all at once. That will allow you to use them all because the balance in your account won't catch up in time to declare nsf. |
In regards to my statement above, I can't understand why my checking account is out of funds when I still have alot more checks left to write. |
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Hazyj, not to worry, things are picking up and the economy is moving right along. According to Obama, in the event the Federal Government runs out of money they will just print up alot more, they have done it before. Our kids will do just fine! |
Mapman, I would agree that we were dumbed down back then and as you mentioned with the internet and the ability to communicate world wide so easily, we are all much more informed these days. This is a double edge sword in my opinion since information can enrich our lives but can also make us more suspicious of our government & large corporations. In fact the internet is flooded with so much information that we are left with the daunting task to decifer the real truth and would have to read between the lines to do so.
Society as a whole has steadily declined and the younger folks are now refered to as the unemployable generation. This is a big factor in trying to get them interested in high end audio coupled with the fact that more exposure is needed, at least so that they can see what is missing in their lives. I personally accept the idea that I might be part of a dying breed (still makes us unique and special) and I don't plan on going anywhere too soon and have no intentions on throwing the towel in as far as my involvement in high end audio. I still do my part getting younger people to listen to the alternative with an excellent response. |
Wwchange- I meant that if we're interested in bringing the kids along then WE have to pay for it! A small sacrifice considering the up-side IMO. |
We just mastered an LP for a local band and I don't think anyone in the band was over 25. They wanted to hear the test pressing on our system and while their recording was not particularly impressive recording-wise, they were stunned by the increase in detail and bandwidth that a high end system brought to it.
They now know (and clearly suspected prior to this listening session, or they would not have asked for it) what a good system does and why its valuable to have one. They made that very clear. |
Hazyj,
That's true if they can afford it! In this age of student loan debt etc, some won't even be able to afford a home or decent apartment until they're 50 by which time I don't Know how important having a state of the art sound system will be!? I hope I'm wrong but that looks to me to be the way things are trending... Sad |
Hazyj,
That's true if they can afford it! In this age of student loan debt etc, some won't even be able to afford a home or decent apartment until they're 50 by which time I don't Know how important having a state of the art sound system will be!? I hope I'm wrong but that looks to me to be the way things are trending... Sad |
Kids are distracted by so many things. Give them time and they'll figure out what they're missing.
It took a little while for me, but that ended when I heard my first live jazz show at an excellent intimate venue. While kids may not be interested in jazz much, they'd likely be thrilled by an excellent live show at an intimate dinner n jazz club. It's hard (even for kids) to ignore great sound if the food is good and the talent is amazing. Puts em in their place, if only for a fleeting moment or two. |
Listening to music used to be a communal event years ago. A bunch of friends get together, put on an album and then sit there to enjoy it. In this day and age of personal audio, sharing the emotional impact of the music you listen to is next to impossible when wearing a pair Beats headphones. On top of that, the thought of sitting still to do anything today is frowned upon by most. If your not constantly in motion then your considered lazy and not serious. The culture has changed and good sound is more readily available without spending $20k for an amplifier. High end audio has its place but that place is shrinking by the day... |
Are we any more dumbed down really these days than say our parents were back in the post war 1950's?.
I agree that we are, but not that its anything new.
The difference is today there are many outlets for one to get information from if one only chooses to find it.
Used to be we were spoon fed whatever gov. and corporations of the day wanted to feed us with little recourse. Now at least there is. My kids for example get it I think and are not dumb.
Flip side is one still has to sort through all the noise to detect the real information. Not always an easy task. |
Children are more qualitatively than quantitatively driven. Recognition of quality comes into thinking and evaluation as an individual evolves from child to adult. It is wrong to believe that adulthood is met at a scheduled time threshold like age 21. Some individuals are precocious enough to perceive a qualitative hierarchy early in life and most (Americans, at least) never seem to develop this ability.
All of this leads to the fact that the majority of us just don't comprehend differences in quality. The much heralded "dumbing down" that I see taking place is demonstrated by reality TV, movie quality and theming, rap, and numerous other social indicators. We are devolving through compromised education and over-control of the marketplace and media. As a result, education which used to develop the individual into a fully functioning mature person, now reaches very few effectively. And since an ever fewer number of us can perceive genuine quality any longer, the marketers are taking over and obsoleting the engineers. The product offerings contain less material and more fantasy all the time. We are forsaking substance for appearances as a society and our buying habits are slowly being altered to satisfy ever larger profit margins. This will not end well. The products are ephemera in both utility and durability and the landfills are topping out with this gradue. But we are dumb, fat and happy, fa la la la la la la.
Please see a film called Idiocracy. |
I think we are too caught up in our ideas of what good sound means and thus what the high end is about. I think audio is being repositioned in the minds of many consumers, especially young people. Its why Apple bought Beats. They see the opportunity in a way other companies don't. Check out vox.com and look for the article on the music industry written in response to an op eds piece in the WSJ by Taylor Swift (yes, that Taylor Swift). I read it today. Embedded in it is a video with Jimmy Iovine and Ed Cue from Apple... Between the lines you can figure out why this deal happened. Its fascinating to me as a marketing guy who started out selling audio 40 years ago. I am not sure the opportunity is truly for a high end user base yet...but most consumer markets segment out ultimately to have a 10-20% component that is premium oriented whether that means luxury,performance etc. Why couldn't that be the NEW Hugh end uuser? Check out the discussion. Its not just about streaming music...there is more there. Apple has lots of consumer analytics data. I think they are looking to disrupt audio more. After all, that's what the iPod did...now maybe they will fix or alter more if what they broke! |
It's an interesting paradox that commercialism is generally considered a bad thing for music, yet that is how a musician would get paid for making music.
On the flip side, a true artist and music lover does it because that is what they like to do. They might make some money playing live on the side still, but how many can make a living just being a musician? Not many, ever!
Music/record companies are becoming almost irrelevant these days, except as a way to make money by hyping lowest common denominator pop stars that are more about sex appeal, visuals and pop culture as they are about anything having to do with serious music. |
Minor,
I was listening to a pair of $29 Audio TEchnica headphones today off my standard issue HP computer at work. Source were my lossless FLAC files on my music server at home. The cymbals sounded amazing good even on those, as they do as well at home. The only thing missing was soundstage and imaging, which for sure most people could care less about.
If its true that young people today have no interest in how music sounds, then that does not bode well for high end audio. But I suspect there is more to it than that, that what they have ready access to these days can easily sound pretty good, if they even just care a little.
Neither of my teenagers care a lick about home audio, but are very particular about what earbuds or phones they use. |
However, I have no idea what the sound recording engineer actually recorded or how that person intended the recording to sound. So, I am using my judgement in listening to the recordings. But, it would be interesting to have the acutal recording engineer sit in one's home and listen to the playback of their actual recording and see and talk about their reaction. That would be interesting. I have been in live unamplified concerts in large venues in great seats and the music was unfocused, and I couldn't place the performers with my eyes closed. So, live unamplified music can also be the wrong metric. So, my point is that it depends on the intent and ear of the recording engineer, the venue, and most especially, what the listener is actually doing and what they want. Exactly, it's a guessing game. The sound we get out of our systems might be totally opposite of what the engineers and artists wanted. Like you, I go by the sound of real instruments and compare and contrast. Again, like I said in the old post of mine, we're listening to imperfect recordings for the most part, especially, and I hate to say this, rock and pop stuff. And let's not fool ourselves, no matter how much money you throw around, there's no such thing as an absolutely perfect system, imo. You can get pretty close however, at usually quite a chunk of change. However, there are more modest systems out there that can and have slayed the 6 figure "holy grail" rigs. In my opinion, the spending limit on an ultimate state of the art holy grail system (with discounts new or used stuff) should be around $50k, no more no less. Yes, that is crazy in real world terms, but isn't the high end more about aspirations more than reality? lol. |
Dave_72 you already know about expensive mistakes, I have made a few mistakes myself, not anymore. I have a problem giving advice to anyone who has just entered this hobby and what to recommend because it will take a few years of trial and error to get a grip on what sounds good for yourself. It was of little consequence to try different products over time because it was very easy to turn gear over on Audiogon at the time, so very few dollars were lost, I don't think it is that easy now. I agree wholeheartedly. Yeah, I don't mind giving advice, but I always say that "you have to go out and compare and contrast each set of equipment until you find the one that pleases you the most" With that caveat, I don't feel guilty about it. I would hope this avoids the trial and error thing, but maybe not. No, the resale value on this stuff has plummeted from what I see on this site and other sites that make up the used market. The manufacturers price very high which makes it a chore to recoup that money when one would like to sell. If you buy an ultra high end amp for $80k, you're gonna at least lose $20k on it if you sell. And this is stuff that has high resale value and demand such as FM Acoustics and MBL. Either way, that's losing a big chunk of change! |
Mapman; I knew what point you were trying to make. I agree with you, however I was simply stating that what i remember 40 years ago was the music, not the sound quality or equipment and the younger people today (most) really are the same as we were then. they don't really care much for expensive equipment or even sound quality (more later), but just the music. Sound quality is really subjective. If one hasn't a clue as to what music or instruments are supposed to sound like, then what they are hearing is the best (to them). Most music for younger people is electronic with drum machines, and other equipment that isn't close to simulating actual instruments. Cymbals don't sound anywhere close to real cymbols. same for other instruments. Therefore, they (the younger people) listening to this type of music are perfectly happy because they have never really heard the real instruments in the first place to determine that it isn't accurate or real. Their reference point is not where ours is now. Also, super compressed electronic MP3 music sounds the same (to me) on an Ipod as on a really expensive system. It is so compressed, that it sound bad to me anywhere. But, to the younger people, that is their music and how it is suppose to sound to them, so they are happy with what they have. So I do believe my point was relevant. Also, to touch on Czarivey's comment. $150 shoes and quality. That is definitely not what I was talking about. I was saying that younger people spend large amounts on shoes (basketball, etc.) and other things that they don't even use for their original purpose just because of fashion and peer pressure, not functionality. They spend $150 on basketball shoes (when they are 5'1" tall and can't and don't play that sport at all just so they can walk on their high school campus sporting the latest Jordan's. Because of peer pressure, fashion (another form of peer pressure) and the industry concentrating solely on the young market, they spend that kind of money easily (or their parents do). My point was why can't certain aspects of the high end industry market to young people in the way that Jordon's do or Beats?
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$150 for great quality shoes or sneakers (regardless of speciality) is not a lot at all and much better and wiser spent money than $15k wire for sure. |
Minor,
My point is that the gap between sound quality achieved by most today is much better than it was back then. The quality or desirability of the music itself is a different thing and not really relevant to the point.
Top notch home audio sound quality has probably improved as well, but I suspect not nearly as much. Therefore, the gap has narrowed between the sound most have and the sound a choice few who care most have. That works against high end audio achieving any higher ground than in the past in that there is probably less to gain, if one cares about sound quality that is.
High end audio is often accused of excess hype and unsubstantiated claims of sound quality. I think that is part of the game that High End Audio must play in order to help justify its existence these days in that there is probably an absolute limit to just how good anything can sound in an objective sense, though the best sound is always harder to achieve on a larger scale ie when larger rooms rooms to fill are involved. |
I too echo Response34.
On the other hand, if you want to really feel like a duck out of water you've got to check out 1-2-3-4 GO Records (mostly LPs) on 40th Street in Oakland CA, They sell mostly Heavy Metal, Punk, and other genre I'd rather not dis because I've stopped keeping up. They've recently moved to a larger location because their business is growing.
It seems their customers priorities for purchasing vinyl has more to do with supporting the artist because the download industry is what it currently is and because owning the LP is a more tactile fruit of that art. The sound quality is often mentioned but it's not the primary reason for owning the LP.
Those stalwarts of brick and mortar new and used LP sales, Amoeba and Rasputin, are not jumping into this direction with both feet.
The owner of 1-2-3-4 GO suggested some selections an old fud like me might enjoy and I was pleasantly surprised. Not only by the contemporary-ness of the music but that I still had some attitude left in me to enjoy it. As a Draft dodging anarchist I've been back twice, your results may vary! Interestingly, because of this current state of the music industry and its unchecked digititus, many of these contemporary LPs were recorded digitally. I know what your thinking, "this music doesn't need to be recorded well." I'm a working Musician and I say it does qualify for the full treatment.
After listening to the recent testimony by recording artist before Congress about the issues that surround the run away download industry, it seems this is another contributing element to the increase in low quality production and an uncontrollable drain on artist royalties.
So, where are we going?
I feel it's incredibly important that the high end community (analog and digital) make this issue more than reminiscing the way it was because that's just not going to happen. We need to discuss the beginnings of a solution that benefits the artists so they receive their royalties. The producers to get back into the studio environment, and to somehow fairly regulate the distribution of the art.
So, if you must reminisce, reminisce about what our part had to do the resurgence of the LP and every time you told a mass market loved one, "yeah, the difference is amazing!" |
"40 years ago, most people listened to the radio and records on a cheap Soundesign or similar integrated stereo made in Japan that cost maybe a couple hundred dollars max.
It sounded like crap!"
Mapman; I have to disagree with you here. 40 years ago, I remember listening to the music and was totally not concerned at all with the equipment. I thought the music I liked was wonderful and can't remember one time saying to myself that the music sounded like crap because of the equipment.
If the music was good, then it was good and appreciated for what it was. I do believe that sometimes we are so caught up in the equipment that we just forget to listen. I was a violinst (first chair), played sax, oboe, bassoon, etc. and I can tell you that I know how music is supposed to sound. Instruments especially. However, I have no idea what the sound recording engineer actually recorded or how that person intended the recording to sound. So, I am using my judgement in listening to the recordings. But, it would be interesting to have the acutal recording engineer sit in one's home and listen to the playback of their actual recording and see and talk about their reaction. That would be interesting. I have been in live unamplified concerts in large venues in great seats and the music was unfocused, and I couldn't place the performers with my eyes closed. So, live unamplified music can also be the wrong metric. So, my point is that it depends on the intent and ear of the recording engineer, the venue, and most especially, what the listener is actually doing and what they want. You really don't hear younger people complaining much about the sound quality of their equipment or their music. They, like us 40 years ago are simply enjoying their music. However, they have money for beats headphones that don't compare at all to others like grado, etc. at the same price. They wear $150 basketball shoes and have no intention or ability to play basketball. They do it because of peer pressure, and fashion. Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I see advertisements for beats for younger people, but I really don't see advertisements for grado, or other "high end" products trying to attact younger customers. I believe that arogance is one aspect of this industry that pushes younger people away.
enjoy |
I think most oung people get their music online these days.
Little reason for most to buy CDs anymore.
CDs have always been an inferior product to own in terms of overall utility due to the small packaging. Now, most digital music is had online.
For something to hold and look at as well as listen to, 33 1/3 has always remained the best.
For digital, new music servers and services are starting to add content that helps enrich the digital listening experience over what you get with a CD. I've started using PLEX and like it a lot. Supports high res video and music streams and formats for good sound quality to boot. |
Mapman, It's hard to believe, but true.
I sell records/CDs 96%/4%. CDs hardly ever sell at all. |
Here's the deal in a nutshell.
40 years ago, most people listened to the radio and records on a cheap Soundesign or similar integrated stereo made in Japan that cost maybe a couple hundred dollars max.
It sounded like crap!
MEanwhile people with good taste in music invested somewhat more and got much better sound.
Now, $200 buys a nice portable device and phones that actually sounds really good! Home gear can sound better too, but only for a price. It cost more to produce good sound at a larger scale, like in most any room compared to with headphones. But the $200 mobile/portable rig most people have can actually be quite good, so the difference, if it exists at all is much more marginal and harder to justify.
There you go. That is where we stand today. And the gap between average affordable sound quality and the best possible will likely only continue to close, not widen, over time. |
"80% of young people into music today are buying it solely on vinyl. "
I do find that hard to believe.
Some interest in vinyl in pockets perhaps, like certain Universities. College kids often do things just to be different.
One of my son's 3 room mates last year did have a turntable, vintage receiver and records in his dorm room. I was impressed! Only 25% of the kids in that room though. That's about the extent of my stats on the subject. :^) |
I teach in a university and without question, young people are flocking to better quality. 80% of young people into music today are buying it solely on vinyl.
Intermediatic Really? Can you back that up with any data? |
I teach in a university and without question, young people are flocking to better quality. 80% of young people into music today are buying it solely on vinyl. I won't pretend that there is a huge interest in high end audio now, but there is a solid interest in mid-fi like Pro-Ject turntables and vintage Marantz receivers.. And honestly, I think that is more important for the health of the industry. So yeah, things are looking up for the first time in a while. Will you see them in the Magnolia section of Best Buy? No way, but you won't see me in there either, you know? |
Dave_72 you already know about expensive mistakes, I have made a few mistakes myself, not anymore. I have a problem giving advice to anyone who has just entered this hobby and what to recommend because it will take a few years of trial and error to get a grip on what sounds good for yourself. It was of little consequence to try different products over time because it was very easy to turn gear over on Audiogon at the time, so very few dollars were lost, I don't think it is that easy now. |
...and expensive mistakes have been made. I am guilty of that too. |
At best I'm trying to recreate the sound in the mastering studio which may or may not have a basis in real time musician performing. I would agree with that. However, to get the sound of the master tape, you need the master tape. Everything else is a copy. On the other hand, there's excellent copies out there, like very first pressings, white label promos, etc. Perhaps with mostly imperfect recordings and let's face it, there's no such thing as perfect equipment, quite a few audiophiles are the proverbial cat trying to catch its own tail. I plead guilty to this as well. You really have to sit down and spare a moment to think what you're after in putting together an audio system. This stuff isn't cheap, as you know. |
I have to disagree. One doesn't need all that makeup to look good; and I wonder what the women here think of that comment. Enhancement? Possibly; depending on the tastefulness of the subject and the eye of the beholder. High end audio, in the true sense of recreating the original event, is not an enhancement; it is the stripping away of the "makeup" in order to get at the natural beauty within.
It is true that one doesn't "need" all the trappings of audiophilia in order to enjoy music. It is also true that many do, in fact, use it as makeup; but, that enhancement (for example: a subwoofer turned up too loud) is a distortion and often detracts from the enjoyment to the ears of an astute listener. While some of these ideas are thought provoking and have some truth in them, I am left with the thought that if, in fact, the highend is dying it is no wonder that it is; and, ironically, it is in part because some audiophiles seem hellbent on taking away from it what is (or can be) a truly noble goal. |
At best I'm trying to recreate the sound in the mastering studio which may or may not have a basis in real time musician performing.
To put what some people could interpret as cynicism in a more proper perspective, consider that sales of make-up products for 2013 in the US were close to $57 billion while for the same period recorded music sales were only $7 billion. If listening to music or using cosmetics to improve your physical appearance is an attempt at spiritual transcendence then clearly the general population is seeking nirvana via makeup. That actually makes some sort of sense since physical adornment probably predates making music in human evolutionary development.
But what about those people who go overboard with their make-up? At what point does it become too much make-up and instead of enhancing it begins to overpower your underlying physical assets? For audiophiles the analogous question is at what point does the sound of your system start to distract from you listening to music? With cosmetics it's easy to see how garish someone can look, or with perfume, smell. I believe as audiophiles we have a hard time seeing how garish some of our system look and sound to the general populace.
Why do you need all the make-up to look good? Why do you need all that equipment to enjoy music? They really are equivalent questions. |
You make the analogy of seeking ever greater audio realism with a drug users endlessly chasing a better high. There's a great deal of truth in that analogy I think. I think so too. Having never used drugs, although I have abused alcohol in the past and I used to smoke, my number 1 "drug" of choice is and was music. More audio realism gets you closer to the actual performance, imo. That's what I'm in this for; to get a thrill out of a musical event happenning right in my listening room. To get as close as possible to a band playing in front of you. I think that's the general idea of high end audio; to approximate the original performance. Personally, I'll never be fooled that I have a band in front of me, but you can get close, imo. |
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High End Audio manufacturers discussing how to get the younger generation interested in equipment is like tobacco companies discussing how to boost sales.
Maybe they need to take a lead from the Oil companies. They seem to be doing fine.
I have two younger children and I would never encourage them into High End Audio. I'm like Marley's ghost with the chain and money box on my ankle, but this stuff is electronic.
If either of my children keep any of my stuff, I hope it will be my RECORD COLLECTION!
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Macrojack, I think you touched on the periphery of a subject that is seldom examined; the difficulty many audiophiles experience being satisfied with living in the present. You make the analogy of seeking ever greater audio realism with a drug users endlessly chasing a better high. There's a great deal of truth in that analogy I think. Both music and drugs can create pleasurable experiences and create a craving for the next endorphin rush.
That situation is just one aspect of a broader problem with the human mind. We humans are constantly comparing our present experience to something in the past we retroactively imagine was better than the present or we are creatively constructing a future that's better than the present. Constantly flickering between an imaginary more perfect past/future and the imperfect present creates the perfect consumer and an endless state of audio nervosa. It remains to be seen if that characteristic of the human mind will be our species most desirable or most harmful trait. Without the ability to imagine a better future, we'd still be shivering in cold caves and living a hunter gatherers lifestyle. If we don't tame our inability to be content with enough, we'll end up destroying the resources that sustain us. |
Marijuana played an enormous role in the birth of hi-end audio Really. How so? and why. Thanks. |
****Just as spirituality existed for centuries before churches co-opted it, so too did music exist for eons before electricity enabled the music industry. The beauty and majesty, the spiritual uplift, that you treasure in your music does not depend on electronic conveyance of a type or quality. It emanates from the human spirit and cannot be suppressed by opinion, data or my presentation of statistical inevitability.****
I cannot disagree with a word of that; very well said. I said the same thing in four words:
".....; even if not necessary."
The rest of your post? I am not so sure; but, thought provoking nonetheless. Thanks for the response and Happy 4th indeed. |
Frogman - You seem to be conflating two topics here. Just as spirituality existed for centuries before churches co-opted it, so too did music exist for eons before electricity enabled the music industry. The beauty and majesty, the spiritual uplift, that you treasure in your music does not depend on electronic conveyance of a type or quality. It emanates from the human spirit and cannot be suppressed by opinion, data or my presentation of statistical inevitability.
I've often wondered if our pursuit of an ever greater high in listening to and striving for rapture amounts to anything more than trying to capture the high without the drugs. Marijuana played an enormous role in the birth of hi-end audio mass consumption and will (if anything can) be instrumental in its revival.
Insofar as press reports indicate that headphones are the only segment of the audio hardware biz that is growing, I have to speculate that the future of music enjoyment will be more personal - just as the pursuit of spirituality trends that way. As pot gains wider acceptance, maybe, just maybe, it will return to stoned listening circles something like we formed back in the day. More likely, in this computer age, it stays portable and private. Cans and wax are the future.
We are history. We played a damned important part, though. Look back at how much of the 1960s era social change has come to fruition and how much is just unfolding. Our society will never learn to think. That doesn't prevent the human spirit from doing the right thing in spite of itself and the meddling of religions.
That's whatI'm celebrating today, the 4th of July. |
Macrojack and others of a similar opinion. While there is value in being "realistic" in one's outlook on any given subject, sometimes this "realism" is nothing more than cynicism and counterproductive negativity masquerading as pragmatism if one considers all the facts and related issues. In my opinion the topic of this discussion is of a higher order than most as it is linked to something of undeniably great value: music. Call me naive, but music and all that relates to quality production of it is best served by honoring it with a more uplifting and hopeful attitude; in keeping with the purpose of music itself. The pursuit and discussion of quality music reproduction is far more than discussion about the different types of makeup that a cover girl may use as someone cynically suggested in an earlier post. The fact that for some the high-end is only a status symbol is irrelevant. For many of us it is about maximizing what music listening has to offer; even if not necessary. I don't believe that this is a pursuit that will stop having supporters in a substantial way as long as there is quality music being produced by artists; and, if one understands the true nature of art it will be with us as long as we are. |
Macrojack, your comments are right on. Audiophiles as a group are in horrible denial about the future. Reminds me of one of the 12 step programs. |
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It's just not as hard nor expensive to get very high quality sound these days. It's becoming more of a commodity, like most popular things technical do over time.
So audio is gaining higher ground in this sense, but its a totally different world and set of rules. Most people just want to listen and enjoy, not dwell on things as is the norm with "high end audio".
Whether its al for the better or not is probably a matter of perspective, but the old school audiophile mentality is definitely an endangered species.
Best to get with the times and just ride the wave, perhaps? |
you are more than welcome to shop at my discogs iriedog account or any other account to see vinyl prices and they're not $30. you can find great titles(but hurry up) for $5 or bellow in perfect condition.
my storefront is full of teenagers purchasing records at various prices too depending on value. i'm optimistic and cheered to have great sales that bring joy to people.
i was born in rural area with no stores around, no roads in the middle of woods. the only my toy was old phonograph and records that gave me love to music. after curious roaming in the attic, i discovered old dusty 2-row harmonica and started picking melodies i listened on old phonograph. the demand for audio quality i found out much much later in my youth when moved to the large city. |
