HiFi Rose RS150B vs. Eversolo DMP-A10

No Eversolo product is worth $4k. They do a poor job at supporting their entry to streaming.   It's a $899 box that runs on Android 11 just like the rest of their line up. 

The better streamers use custom Linux OS and can be remotely accessed by the mfg in many cases.   I had an issue with Playlists on my Aurender N200 and they were able to remotely diagnose and correct the issue.   

You will never get that level of support with Eversolo, they have yet to correct USB issues with several DACs and there are drop out issues with Tidal since last version.    

Not sure about HiFi Rose but hopefully they have real support like Innuos , Aurender, and  Auralic

I’d recommend a good streamer from Innuos or Aurender (because they’re established and successful on all fronts) and a separate DAC that best produces the sound characteristics you’re looking for.  DACs are very different, personal, and important and what are the odds that a DAC bundled with a streamer is optimal for your particular tastes?  I’d say near zero so better to go with a separate DAC, and it also allows for more flexibility to upgrade either the streamer or DAC in the future as technology inevitably moves forward and improves.  Hope this helps, and best of luck. 

I've also had great support from Aurender. You simply email support and they get back to you in like 48 hours. In their lineup maybe look at the A 200 in your price range if you want streamer/Dac all in 1. (If not going separates. )

Ever since owning a Linn CD player I have been one with their philosophy of "source first- garbage in = garbage out"

It is not clear if you fixed at that price point:

With that principle if sound quality is a top concern you should be matching your source investment to your 10+ k amplification. If you are one to invest in a LPS I would assume that is you.

Why have you settled on those 2 choices? 

If WAF is not a concern I agree with others-go separates*- more flexibility for sound tastes and options down the road to update either streamer/player and DAC. Of course you could use the Eversolo as the streamer only but why pay for the DAC part, and the pre-amp part since you already have an integrated? Most mid-range DAC’s do come equipped with a pre-amp function, and an endpoint for Roon (do you use Roon?) but one usually can do much better.

Some will say the DAC makes most of the difference, some have claimed they hear no differences in the streamer/player whatsoever, some of the people in the forum from my streamer manufacturer have claimed more difference in the streamer than the DAC, but that is at the upper end market.

So what is your budget? If you could demo some streamer/DAC combinations and you definitely heard an substantial uptick in sound with a 10-15k streamer/converter setup compared to a 5k all-in-one would you be inclined to pay for that? Or are you fixed on 5k for the source(s)?

There are plenty of choices out there, I have seen how these threads go on this forum for streamers- the majority: 95% of the responses- will recommend Aurender, Innuos, Lumin or Aries, and for good reason- nothing wrong with that, but if you could swing a Grimm MU2* or Playback Edelweiss*, I am sure you would be very happy.

*not separates

Thank you all for the feedback so far. I’ll clarify a few things. The system does do many things and is not dedicated just to audiophile listening. So, due to some space limitations, still big on vinyl and have my turntable and phono pre-amp taking up space plus a headphone amp and Marantz SA-10 SACD player but more importantly there needs to be an ease of use factor for other members of the family - I am in the market for a single box solution in the $5k price range. My wish list includes, touch screen for easy of use by others - my dad’s not loading an app on his phone, internal storage capability for my DSD music library (my main digital listening material) with file sharing protocol support, Qobuz support, ARCe input for 2-channel TV audio, Bluetooth for when the kids need to stream music, balanced outputs as the digital source is a decent distance away from the amp, WiFi support would be nice but not necessary as I have a 10GB wired network connection nearby. Visualize it this way, my audio gear sits in a rack to the side of the room and the digital source is centered to the viewing / listening area and connected to the amp via ~15 foot XLR cables. The T+A TCD 110S transmission line loud speakers come out about 4 feet into the room with a large screen TV mounted to the wall. REL T/9x sub’s are to the left, right and behind the main speakers.

@josephp732 

Just watched this Gustard X30 review, and he has the same Accuphase you have 

Man, many people are loving this latest Gustard- this X30 is a render/has a Roon endpoint- download Jplay and stream Qobuz/Tidal and you might be happy? Heck, I am building a second system and I might try that- I might be happy- one can always add a dedicated server like the N200 down the road. 

Plenty of choices out there!

Any intel on the new RS151?

"New RS151" ???? Hmmm

I can add my 2cents even though,I’m a bit late to the Eversolo party.

I sold my A8 and just hooked my new A10 today.She sounded very nice right out of the box and has improved over 12 hours.Larger,deeper and very quiet.

The function of the Eversolo line is by far the easiest to use for me and fell right in with the A8.I just dc’d the A8 and loaded up the A10 from the same app.

Plus,I did not pay $4k.

G-Day,TK

We can’t have a thread mentioning Eversolo without a certain forum member showing up to trash talk them. Not discounting the seemingly poor experience that member had, but it all still feels a little overdone. Many of us have had flawless performance out of our Eversolo devices.

I went with the Eversolo DMP-A10. I paid $3,200. It's a noticeable upgrade to the A8. The sound stage is wider and deeper with better instrument separation. The big surprise was how pronounced the fathom center channel is with the A10 in my system. The music is a bit more lively than the A8 and pairs better with my Accuphase. I don't use the pre-amp capability. Since my music library is mostly ripped SACD's, stored DSD files, having 8TB's of internal storage makes managing my music easy, I just network map the A10's internal drives and copy music across my network. I took the A10 to a friends house and did some blind A/B testing against a Cary Audio DMS-700, ~$7k, and we both agreed the A10 more than held it's own.    

There are more than one Agon member with Eversolo issues @josephp732 .

I had an A6 that I loved for around a year. When the SSD memory section failed with my ripped CDs, the Eversolo response after over three weeks of back and forth email was for me to send the unit, and the Samsung SSD card to China at my expense for them to review. I asked if they could provide a replacement unit. The response was "No", because it would not take them long to evaluate the issue. They did say they would pay the shipping for the unit back to me.

I passed on this generous offer, sold it with the disclaimer regarding the SSD memory not working, and went with Innuos and Bricasti. Absolutely no regrets. Will never bother with another Eversolo product and will bash them whenever convenient.

@thriftyaudio Who did you buy your A6 from? My A8 had an issue with it's Samsung M.2 NVMe drive. I purchased my A8 from Upscale Audio, they were very helpful and took my A8 back and sent a new one. The new one had the same issue in that the SSD drive would get corrupted and failed. After some research I discovered that the Samsung 970 EVO Plus drive I was using needed a firmware upgrade. I performed the upgrade on the drive by mounting it in my computer and using Samsung's dashboard tool. It's been rock steady ever since. In my research I found that the Western Digital Black SX850X NVMe drives and a Scandisk model also had issues and needed firmware upgrades. The two Samsung 990 PRO 4TB drives in my A10 had been performing flawlessly.  

@josephp732 I purchased it from Summit. At first he was working with me to get a replacement, but then his inventory was depleted so he was willing to give me credit towards an A6 Master (A8 was not yet released). Then when Eversolo offered to take the unit back to China he dropped out of the discussion. 

I tried three different SSD cards. The 1st one was not Samsung, but a relatively known brand. The SSD card worked with two other computers, just not the A6. Then I tried one, then another Samsung (different models) from Best Buy. Both worked in my two other computers but not the A6. The final SSD I also tried in a friend's Aurender and it worked fine there. Something was wrong with the A6.

At the time I asked to replace the A6 with a refurbished or new unit. Summit initially stated he was willing, but then backed out of that when Eversolo became more involved.

At the end of the day the customer service of both the internet seller (out of Canada) and the manufacturer was poor. There are so many options out there I decided to eliminate them from my choices.

I have worked with Upscale Audio a few times and they have been terrific. Unfortunately, I always ended up going a different direction either depending on options or price. I have found TMR to be helpful and with a a tremendous return program. There are a couple of SoCal dealers I also work with that have been outstanding. There are a lot of wonderful dealer and manufacturing options out there. My favorite manufacturers are currently Pass Labs, LTA and Bricasti.  A+ with everything. Innuos is decent, but just a notch below. Currently exploring a move from Innuos to Aurender. Still researching.

@thriftyaudio Thank you for sharing your experience. It's never easy when it's an issue like you described - especially on newly released gear. I do, as probably you do, feel that in general most manufactures and dealers will go out of their way to help problem solve. I have read on many forums about early support issues from Eversolo - usually those experiences are hard for manufacture to recover from and rebuild the consumers trust. I wish you all the best on your journey and let us know what you finally settle on. (Innous and Aurender are great products).