Dynaco Stereo 120

@n2tubes Just came across this post and checked out your website. It's wonderful to see you carry on a family business and bring these amps back to life. I have other manufacturer's vintage tube electronics in my systems and they are superb.

video and demo pages can now be accessed from the home page menu at  https://funtasticvintronics.com/

Kenny, it’s great to see you here. I appreciate everything you’ve done and you put a lot of heart and soul into your work. I left a message with Dynakit to thank them for putting me in touch with you. I’m gonna post some videos soon but I was playing the 120 with my .7 Maggie’s and it drives them flawlessly just the way I was hoping. I also would still like to have a look at one of your latest Pat4 at some point when you come across one to rebuild. antmaspher thank you for sharing your thoughts on the earlier 120 design. 

Amen - and thank you both. One little known thing about these. Several years following the introduction of the Stereo 120, which ultimately led to development of the Stereo 400, the Dynaco research lab had found that some modifications could be made which greatly improved the Stereo 120. It focused on TIP transistors. This modification greatly improves reliability under adverse load conditions and strengthens its resistance to internal parts failure with improved circuit protection. It does this without changing the amplifier's superb specifications or sonic character. After releasing this document and making the mod kit available, production of the 120 incorporating these changes was made and the new units all had this feature applied. So, if you have an older unit, or listened to one, it's not a good reference. It probably suffers from the issues so often talked about, poor sound, component failure etc. With the modern boards I use, which have all the shortcomings bred out of them, the use of premium capacitors all around and metal film resistors, coupled to a world class power supply and all that increased capacitance, the 120 becomes a "giant killer".  By the way, there's no place for a tantalum capacitor in one of these amps even though the build sheet calls for one. So what is the true secret of the 120, uncanny circuit design by a guy who simply had a knack and a mind of another kind. Hafler was a true audio genius among other things. These simply are a lot of bang for the buck when properly dressed, they're fun-fantastic-vintage-electronics. Thomas Edison said " If there's a way to do it better, find it".
I think I found it - Kenny Russell
https://funtasticvintronics.com/

If this amp has a circuit the same as the original ST-120, one of the reasons it can sound as nice as it can is that it makes a fair amount of 2nd ordered harmonic. This, and the 3rd, if in sufficient amount, can mask the higher orders to a certain degree and result in a fairly smooth sounding amp unless you push it hard. Modern electrolytics seem to be a bit better than the ones used back in the 1960s and early 1970s; I'm sure that doesn't hurt either.

For my bedroom system I use an amplifier made by Radio Shack (SA-175C) that is very similar- the same circuit sans power transistors. It makes about 5 watts, but I never push it past one. At lower power levels its very smooth (and of course I've serviced it out) but it does get less polite at higher levels.


The key to working with amps like these is to make sure that the speaker is easy to drive and not low impedance. The low impedances should be avoided as they interact directly with the output coupling cap and can introduce low frequency phase shift which messes with bass impact. The ST120, being an early solid state design, is not very forgiving if you do something dumb like short out the speaker terminals, do anything adverse to its ability to cool itself or try to play it on a difficult load and get it really hot! But if you go easy on them they hold up quite well. 


I've repaired many of the ST120s over the years- fixing consumer electronics is how I put myself through school. The amps seen at the website are a bit of eye candy- its nice to see someone really taking the time to do a neat job! IMO the insides are where the money that you spend on audio equipment should go. Its nice to see someone really taking pride in their work.

I have to say, I have gone through a great deal comparing many amps, integrated amps and preamp combos over the course of the past two years. I just put a few pics on a flickr to begin with. I have many more to add and I will.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/190302627@N04/

These are just some of the pictures. I have a group of guys I listen with at various places and we share each-others equipment. In my rooms and others, I have compared lots of things. 

Parasound Halo A23
McIntosh MHA100
Yamaha AS1200
Yamaha S501
Primaluna EVO400
Dynaco VTA ST70 Bob Latino with KT88's
NAD 326BEE 
Decware SE84UFO
Dynaco PAS II Funtastic-Vintronics
Dynaco PAS NG Funtastic-Vintronics
Aretha Erhard Audio
Glow Amp One
Qunpu A6000
Schiit Freya Plus

Speakers:

Caintuck Audio LII Fast 8 Betsy's
Klipsch Heresy II
Magnepan .7
Dynaco A10

What I've learned is that you have to match the amps to the proper speakers to get the best synergy. In the end though, what I've noticed is that I have generally found that I prefer the spatial separation that tubes typically offer over solid state, particularly with regard to the Yamaha's. IMO, they sound somewhat sterile and 2 dimensional. Some prefer that type of sound. Out of this group, Kenny Russell's rebuild on the Stereo 120 solid state transistor had the most profound impact on me both in sound and emotionally. Whenever I read lots of negative chatter about the 120 in forums, I remove myself, because in my own profession, I know what forums do to people. They just parrott the same things others say without even listening to the component in question.  

So far, for me and this is just my own personal opinion. This Stereo 120 NG Kenny Russell built for me is the only solid state amp I've ever heard that offers the same spatial separation I've gotten from tubes but I'm still perplexed as to why. I just know what I'm hearing. For example, I can run my Dynaco ST70 NG with my .7's Maggie's but once I start to play them at louder levels, they tend to clip just a bit so I back them down to normal listening levels where they sound wonderful. I didn't have that issue at all with the Primaluna EVO400 because it has about double the power output. 

So I decided on Kenny's 120. When I first listened to it, I literally dropped my jaw in disbelief AT ANY PRICE $. This is impossible! I can't wait till my friends come over to hear this amplifier coupled with another masterpiece of Kenny's, a PAS NG. This is my favorite setup with all my speakers. The 120 sounds absolutely beautiful and I like it more than anything I've heard thus far. It drives the Maggie's to perfection with ultra tight bass and crystal clarity. I have much more to share and explain, but for those who think these 120's are a relic of the past, shame on you. 

Absolutely, when outfitted with quality caps and resistors these are quite impressive. Of course adding the new and increased capacitance helps tremendously and the regulated power supply is a must. The thing just performs to the amazement of all who listen. It will make a believer out of most any skeptic. Use of solid state or tube preamp seems not to bother it at all. I just got my website up going today so you might check that out too. https://funtasticvintronics.com/
I'm trying really hard to get away from ebay, they have just ruined a wonderful thing.

Kenny - I was looking around your Facebook pages, that red ST120.. Man that is a thing of beauty. I wire up RTU panels for my PLC and SCADA for oilfield tank batteries and I am fussy about what I put out also.
Your wiring is top notch, absolutely clean and neat (I said that oldhvymec) and it sure is.

So in the review, it stated Dynaco weren’t moving over to SS until it came up with a product at least as good as their valve amps. You know this device as good as anyone I suspect, did they get it right?

Hey  rixthetrick.

I am the builder of that particular amplifier. I do a lot of these, each one being slightly unique to itself. I currently have 2 units to start on after they clean up and then pass transformer tests. These sound ridiculously good, I do a lot to them, for that reason. I'm also a bit OCD and a "car guy" so looks are very important to me also. 

These sell for $599.95 plus shipping.

I'll share a correspondance I received yesterday from the buyer of one of these. He's had it for less than a week now:   

" A battle is ensuing with all my audio buddies because I basically slammed them for initially being dubious and skeptical of my getting the 120. I’ve tested tons of amps and you are 100% correct. This thing is a giant killer. It’s the best thing I’ve ever heard and I’m dead serious." 

He also owns 2 of my PAS tube preamps. You can see those on the facebook too.

Here's his comment on the PAS-M he recently purchased: " I can’t tell you how amazed I am. This preamp will get 1st prize in my review for sure. When you get a chance play a piece on YouTube by Bill Evans called “Danny Boy” at 1 minute into song for the remaining two minutes you will hear these little symbols shimmering like sparkles in the right channel. With the new preamp you made, this shimmer Comes through more clearly more defined more vibrantly than any other preamp I’ve ever heard. I was rolling hysterically  last night. You are the man!"

Here's a link to my facebook where you can find photos and other information on some of the past 120's and some other Dynaco/Dynakit gear I've done recently. -Kenny

I usa an Akitika GT102 on my woofers, designed by Dan Joffe of updatemydynaco.com, an aerospace engineer and musician from Huntsville, AL
who is devoted to all things Hafler, pre- Hafler, and post vacuum tubes, that is.  It too uses the wire wound around the cap technique as in the ST80 and ST120. 

I just read a review on this amplifier and it read pretty well. I don't suppose either of you have heard one?

I purchased an amplifier and I know that somewhere down the road, probably after I've finished paying off the mortgage, I'll be looking again.

You know, all paint and no parts, kind of stuff, Mrs Piggy, and Kerman the frog.  LOL Lipstick on a pig, is still lipstick on a pig..

That is a nice job.. No sales, slickum' :-)

I've seen a few guys look at something, move a thing or two and the whole thing cleans up.

I'm working on a 3 Carys a little bit at a time.. Talk about a factory mess.

I'm almost to the point of rip and replace. I have 5 or 6 wires and some turret boards left.. Sure sound good took 6 months of chasing a sound, and swapping parts, now to clean it the rest of the way up. I actually feel like it..

One of my favorites is the HK Citation I and II. I've seen those done and looked like art work inside. Carver and Decware are over the top too, Decware even more so, I owned a pair of 60s, PURE ART..

Regards

I agree with @oldhvymec.  The one I built in the late 70s didn’t have the same, how should I say it, precision in its final build. Was a fun project.

@gs5556
Thanks, I'd never seen it done before, quite ingenious way to filter the output like that. I suppose it's a technique used for a long time? It's new to me.

@oldhvymec - not sure of the lipstick comment, but yeah when I saw it I thought it looked both aftermarket and neat. Clever stuff to be sure.

Sure did a nice job, no lipstick on that one, very clean..
Sure not stock, ay? I've seen the winding before.
This person, took a lot of time for sure, quite an artist!!

Wonder what his point to point looks like..

Regards

The output transistors are wired to the capacitor positive, that white wire connected to the negative terminal of that (output) capacitor, then wrapped around the capacitor in series to the speaker terminal. The cap blocks dc and the wire is an inductor which stabilizes the output if the speaker load is too capacitive.