DeVore O/93 or PureAudioProject Duet15 for a First Watt SIT-3?


Hi
What do you think would be better for a warm organic late night listening (classic music, opera and jazz)?
Stereophile reviewed the O/93 as a perfect pairing with SIT-3 (even is SIT-3 prefers low impedance speakers).
Duet15 seems to me more sensible (97db vs 93db) (and Steve Guttenberg think are top).
My current speakers are 4ohms / 87db Avalon Indra, absolute fantastic at their 80db listening kingdom.

Thanks

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I've owned the O/93 and heard the O/96 on many occasions. I agree with fsonicsmith get the 96 if you can. I've heard the same things, one being that the woofer is substantially better designed and compromises had to be made for the 93. Hard to get a woofer to play deep and still play mids well. Both great speakers. 

This reference to speakers built in Brooklyn sounds suspiciously like Ohm Acoustics...and I find it somewhat startling that there could be two speaker manufacturers in Brooklyn. That said, I have never heard or heard of the ones referred to in this thread. And @ulul that looks like a pretty nice listening room and I didnt quite get what your speakers are but they look similar in design to some of the offerings from Legacy Audio. Would be interested to hear more about them and how they perform.

My speakers are named in the opening message. Are Avalon Indras, a top speakers perfect for 89db listening, less for 69db night. 

I reread your original post and I think you are proceeding on an erroneous assumption. First I hate it when people say that one speaker is better with a certain genre of music than another. This makes absolutely no sense. Other than output levels, the best rock speaker will be the best jazz speaker. I also think that your choice of amp will have more influence than the type of speaker on low level listening. Tube amps have better low level resolution and are more linear. Of course assuming a speaker that is relatively tube friendly which your Avalons are not. 

@lemonhaze i picked up the Komuro 8w upon auditioning in store with their O96 Bronzes. Whatever shortfalls the Devores have, this amp minimizes them. Heard the Komuro after listening to Nagra classic amp and pre, and it made the Nagras  sound lean and harsh by comparison. 

We spent a great deal of time listening to the O/96s with single and parallel 300B SET amps and these did not have nearly enough power. The speakers opened up with about 30 watts plus and decided that the best sound came from a pair of 60W OTL monos.

I am convinced that the lower wattage went into a very soft clip quickly that actually made the sound a bit larger than normal. The sound thickened. So I (we) felt that actually the lower powered amps gave some perhaps more of what they liked but this certainly did not do justice to the source. So in my experience, the worst amp for these speakers were push pull designs followed by the lowered power single ended. The speakers were best served by a more neutral tube amp of higher power that wasnt a push pull type. 

Hours of direct comparison were needed to really sort this out. Most of this was done on the O/96s and some on the O/93s. The only components changed were the amplifiers. These sessions were extremely valuable and really elevated our listening acumen. Of course it also ruined about 10 songs due to overexposure.

With these speakers, the only type of single ended design I would consider would be an 845 or 211 type. There is no denying the quality of single ended midrange, but I tend to like these amps when paired  with a less "meaty" sounding speaker. Perhaps too much of a good thing.

 

No matter how efficient the speaker, there will will always be the struggle between high power authority and being king of your domain, versus low power beauty and finesse. Go with the 96 (end game) versus 93 (more affordable) if you can. Try high and low power amps and pick of get the best in one price class and have fun!

@audition__audio I appreciate your input. The Komuro was built for the O96 model and variants. It’s delivered with the higher ohm taps installed and it’s tuned for the O96. It was surprising how much command the 8 watts has over these speakers.

So while I’m sure it’s fun and satisfying to make universal proclamations about what amps will work or what the speakers are capable of based on your own anecdotal experience, I don’t find those proclamations helpful or inherently true partly because of the tone and attitude with which they are delivered. Anyway, I appreciate the sharing and I will try to extract what wisdom I can from it.

O/baby has better midrange and a rel sub

the O/93 is sucky at bass too anyway compared to O/96 that has better mids as well.

So what tone and attitude would you suggest? Dont tell me you appreciate the information and then voice your displeasure at the delivery. So tired of this passive-aggressive nonsense. Simply admit that you dont appreciate my opinion because it runs counter to yours and leave it at that. 

 

@audition__audio telling people what they do and do not like in their interactions with them is the opposite of passive-aggressive. Opinions and how they are shared are different things. I think you’re tired of it because you haven’t learned how to interact and aren’t particularly interested in doing so. Blaming others for all of your interpersonal difficulties should be a non-starter. 

@markimiller 

How long did it take you to get the Komuro and which 300B tubes is John supplying the amp with? Did you ask about his upcoming amps and how he describe the differences in each amp? And one last question-did you have it shipped or did you go visit the Monkeyhaus?

@fsonicsmith I lucked out. Dealer said he had an abandoned order that I could have. I didn’t even know they had been released until he auditioned one for me.
 

Linlai WE300B are the included tubes. It sounds like all 100 of the first run of the 300b amp have been sold. There is a rumor Devore might make another 10. The next series will be 845 monos but not totally sure.  The Komuro amp website has a production plan posted. 

Only you and a few others have pointed out my posts as interpersonally challenged. And, surprise, these were all DeVore owners. Put criticism of the components you own in the proper perspective. Your speakers are not your children, hell they arent even your dog.

 

 

Just voicing my opinion. Believe it or not, the post you first commented on was listed to help, but evidently it served as a trigger. Take some time and find your safe place.