Bob from Cerious. Both of these cords are current limited by the connectors, not the cable itself. We have run the cable itself at 50 amps for extended periods. The main difference is how the ground and Neutral are configured. In AC the Neutral stays at the same potential at all times as it is tied to a stake in the ground at the electrical box (that is why they call it "Ground"). The "Hot" swings all over from plus to minus sixty times a second. That is why we have slow conductors on the Neutral and extremely fast conductors on the Hot. I believe we are the only company using two distinctly different conductors in our power cables.The main difference between the Conditioner Optimized and the High Current is that the Conditioner Optimized cable has a Neutral conductor that is VERY high loss because conditioner units return a lot of garbage to the ground planes and can actually pollute the grounds throughout the rest of the system. This cable protects the electrical grid in your home and enables the conditioner to work more effectively. Yes the PS Audio units are still a mystery to me as they have no standard configuration to optimize to. I think today I feel like a Sawtooth tiger wave with a dash of Donald, Bernie and a hint of self loathing. I am convinced there is a setting on the PS Audio that would be the soul mate for our cables, but eHarmony refuses to accept cables that swing both ways so please try them and experiment! We are always willing to work with you to help you have the best system you can have and hopefully have some fun while doing it
Cerious Technologies NEW Graphene Cables
Now, this is not a advertisement, just a posting sharing my experience on some well made great sounding cables at a very reasonable price. Besides, I don't think Cerious Technologies is set up for a big influx of cable orders.
But, if you get the chance to try these cables, please do.
I have been interested in the newer cables coming out that are using Graphene as a conductor. SR cables seemed interesting, but I always hated the way there cables had all those extra wires (with the active shields and such). I then noticed an ad early in I think November or December from Cerious Technologies for Graphene cables. I investigated how the cables were assembled and it seemed like quite a laborious process.
I ordered (with a 30 day money back guarantee) the balanced Graphene interconnects, and boy did they impress me. Such depth, soundstage, realism, frequency smoothness, effortless sound. I was truly impressed! I now have a complete loom of the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. That is; interconnects, speaker cables, digital cables and power cords.
I ended up selling all of my other cables and to those of you who have read my postings know that cables have always been my curiosity.
So, as I began this post, let me again iterate, I have no alliance to the company, my posting is for those of you looking for an great alternate high quality Graphene made cable without spending a fortune.
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Stealth Audio Cables has had a graphene cable for many years, the Metacarbon. It is actually the designers favorite but IMHO is still miles behind the incredible Sakra helium dielectric cable (which uses amorphous alloy wire, and I was part of developing at the time). I believe Van Den Hull also has used carbon fibers in cables for quite a while. Prices on those are staggering so I will look into these. From what I read in the sciences news if they can bond water molecules between layers of graphene it gets you room temperature super conducting. I wish... |
The Stealth Nanofiber Cables look very interesting. What appears to be Graphene or something very close is used for the conductor. No metal is used. Now, that is a really neat trick! Of course one big advantage of amorphous cables is you don’t have to worry about the whole directionality thing. Whew,That’s a relief! What’s next, Graphene fuses? Can Graphene fuses get UL listed? Hmmmmm...also, and I know I’m going out on a limb here but most likely what is referred to as Metacarbon or "carbon fibers" is not actually Graphene which, by definition is one atom thick. |
I’m not advertising here on someone else’s behalf either, but would you believe a Graphene "Fuse Wrap" that you can apply to Any fuse?? Not yet quite added to the site, but "coming soon". http://www.alanmaherdesigns.net/#!shop/c1kcd There is no description posted yet (Alan has been talking to his facebook group about introducing them for a couple weeks now), but they are indeed Graphene based. Installation (with a piece of electrical tape) kooks dirt simple. I haven’t had an opportunity to try them yet, but will at some point. The price is right though: $15 a pop for the "large" 1.25" fuses and $12.50 for the "small" size. I imagine there would be all sorts of room out there for good, innovative applications for Graphene-based solutions to various kinds of familiar audio problems. I say bring it on and let’s see what we get...just sayin’. |
Thanks for the link Ivan! I started a thread a little while back about the feasibility of using graphene sheets cut to size based on his work but couldn't find the site to link to again. I read about it over at another audio site. If it works as well as say, SR fuses, then it could be applied to something like Littlefuses, saving a whole lot of money. All the best, Nonoise |
Nonoise, Alan, who’s been at his noise-reduction game since 1998, tells me this may be The biggest bang for the buck he’s ever generated...and I can tell you for a fact that he has given me an endless string of jaw-dropping examples of that since I started buying in 2010(!). Can’t wait to try them for myself but, for me it will mean tearing down my carefully assembled equipment stack to access for install (a YUUUGE pita!), so someone else may have to post their impressions on them somewhere before I can. But, whether used on a stock fuse or a "boutique" fuse the results should be amazing. Alan believes that the fuse itself is the single biggest weakpoint in the power supply. |
"I’m not advertising here on someone else’s behalf either, but would you believe a Graphene "Fuse Wrap" that you can apply to Any fuse?? Not yet quite added to the site, but "coming soon". http://www.alanmaherdesigns.net/#!shop/c1kcd There is no description posted yet (Alan has been talking to his facebook group about introducing them for a couple weeks now), but they are indeed Graphene based. Installation (with a piece of electrical tape) kooks dirt simple." So, apparently someone has figured out how to conduct the electrical signal on the outside of the fuse. ;-) |
ivan_nosnibor..... "I imagine there would be all sorts of room out there for good, innovative applications for Graphene-based solutions to various kinds of familiar audio problems." Or you could buy and try yourself... https://graphene-supermarket.com/Graphene-Coatings/ |
ozzy: Congratulations on trying and finding a more satisfying cable system. Glad to see the Synergistic Research Black fuses worked in your system. It is interesting that the addition of graphene to many areas of signal transfer is having a positive and an accumulative effect. I am also using a BSG Qol unit. Even here power cords and fuses make a difference. Even though "they are not in the signal path". David Pritchard |
Thanks guys for the extra web sites on Graphene based products. It has really peaked my interest. I have tried in the past some Carbon based cables and they were just so-so. David, SR really does come up with some very cool products too bad there so expensive, but, maybe that's why they can produce them. I am currently using one of there newer products and tweaking the heck of it. jafant, Thank you for your comments. |
If anyone was wondering how great Bob is to deal with, this past Friday I had a banana connector on one of my Graphene speaker cables snap off in the binding post of my speaker. I'm pretty sure it was moved by some cleaning folks and overly stressed. I asked Bob about fixing it and he told me just send them back and he's re-terminating them with spades at no charge and is paying for the return shipping. Amazing service from a guy that really cares about his customers. |
Hi, been reading on this wonder technology everyones' talking about. Has anyone did a shootout in a controlled variables condition? Or perhaps some sort of brief comparison with other brands like Wywires, vertex AQ, HFC power cord, silent source, ect...? Cost evaluation took a slight backseat here, thanks all. |
Ok, had to make a correction here, since Alan Maher released a statement to his facebook members. Pricing for the Graphene fuse wraps is to be set at $30 a pop, not $15, like said above...my bad, looks like I jumped the gun on that. Facebook members usually get some kind of discount pricing in exchange for our "early adoption" of product designs of his that may or may not make it to the final lineup when he fully opens to the public. We are his "testbed" for product ideas. Sorry for my mix up, the $15 pricing was, until now, the only one I had seen. |
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The manufacturer never mentioned the ceramic slurry in his post on this thread. He said the Graphene was contained inside the cable in close contact with the copper/silver by heat shrink, which makes sense to me, assuming he was using the Graphene as a second conductive network. Besides if the Graphene were suspended in ceramic it couldn’t conduct, assuming that’s the objective, given that ceramic is an insulator not a conductor and that the Graphene would not be continuous. There would be no difference between the Nano cables and the Extreme Graphene cables other than the carbon was a different form. And even then I’m not sure the "Graohene" as used in the cables wouldn’t lose it’s unusual properties when is "all crammed in there" as it were with the copper/silver conductors since Graphene has the unique physical characteristic of being one atom thick. It's hard work to obtain the one atom layer of Graphene, seems counterproductive to make it thick again; if it was crammed in there without the liquid ceramic it wouldn’t be one atom thick any more. Am I missing something? |
Thanks but wouldn’t ceramics that were highly conductive defeat the whole purpose of Graphene which is super-highly conductive? The ceramic slurry with Graphene suspended in it would only be as conductive as the ceramics, not the Graphene. Makes more sense to use pure Graphene. That is if in fact their objective is high conductivity. And if ceramics were really high conductivity why not use ceramics for the backbone? Or just have a Ceramics cable? As the Cerious cable person stated he filled all the voids in the copper/silver backbone with Graphene and used shrink wrap to hold the Graphene in place. He did not mention ceramics. What value would ceramics bring to the table? The Copper/silver backbones provides strength and rigidity. |
@geoffkait FYI here is a link to a pdf of Bob making his cables. http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?19311-The-Making-Of-A-Cerious-Technologies-Graphene-Ext... |
Bob from Cerious here...I only have a few minutes before my wife chains me back to my workbench to make cables but I wanted to further explain our use of Graphene. While we call things "wires" most of the time it is a number of individual wires wound into a bundles. When a signal travels through each strand it tends to stay in the individual strand it started in until a high amplitude transient hits and then electrons "jump" from strand to strand. Bundles of wires, therefore, behave as semiconductors - and even worse - semiconductors that change behavior with changing amplitude. In simple terms this wire bundle changes sonic characteristics with volume. Keeping in mind music is all transients - not a good thing. We fill in the voids between strands with Graphene so there is an easy path for electrons to travel from strand to strand virtually eliminating the semiconductor characteristic and yes our ceramic is a conductor. I know because I invented it... Lastly no one has used anything like Graphene as a conductor before. Graphite is made by baking specific fabrics at high temps to char the structure of each strand of fabric "Nano" carbon or Graphite as used in the past was simply produced by starting with finer threads before baking. Not exactly high tech and certainly not Graphene. Thanks everyone and I so appreciate the support. I am working as long and as fast as I can but ultimately it only reaches your hands when it is perfect with no corners cut. "yes, Honey...time to make the cables...time to make the cables...time to make the cables..." |
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Call me inquisitive but I know Bob Grost makes good types of interconnects because I’ve purchased some in past years. After reading the forum regarding SR Red and Black Fuses, written by many audiophiles that I have come to know and follow I tried several SR Black Fuses. Wow! I was very impressed. Now enters Ozzy’s post on Cerious Technologies new Graphene Cables. I just received one Graphene Extreme High Current (Blue) power cord suitable for my amp and one Graphene Extreme High Current power cord suitable for a power conditioner. I have them on my Audiodharma Cable Cooker hoping for a shorter break-in time. More to follow after break-in. |
My Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme PC LC Just came today I have it on my DS DAC running now. This power cord sounds very good right out of the gate. It sounds better than the lessloss signature it replaces and at a far lower cost. Does anyone have any experience with breakin? What should I expect? Lance |
My experience was that the Cerious power cables sounded pretty good right away and during break in never sounded bad. But I think it does improve as most electrical items do over time. Mine now have many hours on them and to tell you the truth the change is gradual. But I DO think they sound better than originally. But honestly, how can I tell? Like most cables 200 hours seems to be a good point to evaluate. |
philipwu, The Cerious Graphene interconnects and speaker cables were a big improvement over the HiDiamond 3. There is a much more open and livelier sound. I was surprised. The power cords is a little different. I still find that the HiDiamond P4 is best on my PS Audio P-10 power conditioner compared to the Cerious versions. But, at my amp and sources the Cerious Graphene power cords is best. |
