If you know that a user is a dealer and they fail to disclose and attacks other users because they make a point against their interest, do you expose the user?
I know of a gentleman here that continuously posts and goes after people and does not disclose who he is.
None of my responses have been rude or without warrant. I am not however someone who will be nice to anyone pinching one off on me simply because I’m a manufacturer. The bottom line, my audio viewpoints are aligned with the vast majority of people on this forum. Audio is largely subjective, if people don’t like this fact it’s on them. And if they continue to abuse the majority of participants here on this forum, because we like sharing our experiences which are overwhelmingly subjective, many will push back.
Thank you @jjss49. I do love this hobby, and I don’t like not being able talk about it, or exchange ideas with my fellow audiophiles. It’s fine if some do not agree with us but the way a few choose to express themselves leaves much to be desired.
some a-holes here seem to only relish being mean-spirited, talking down and talking sh*t about others like it is sport... guess for them it is a change of pace from kicking the dog and beating the wife
Spot on, you nailed it! It’s those 3-4 names wrecking havoc in all threads. Not just this one.
As for @ted_denney, and the hidden agendas, every post of him I have seen in Audiogon has the signature will full name (real persona) and the title / company. Show me one that doesn’t. So what’s the deal and bi***ing with the “hidden agenda “? And by the way Ted, thanks for keeping politics out of your Audiogon posts. You have not even once gone that route
@jerryg123 as you know being autistic is not easy. It is so shameful that this guy is so unkind, ignorant and callus that goes on attacking people in such pathetic way.
For myself, being highly functioning autistic has proven, despite all the challenges, to be a gift. By learning how to manage my triggers, I learned how to navigate through difficult times, help others to understand that with compassion and kindness we can get through things that one would have never been possible.
Sound is subjective until it intersects with science, and science is not subjective. It is at this intersection where some, like Ted, can’t discuss things without becoming offensive and degrading; maybe because their lack scientific understanding, manners, class or arrogance; or a combination of all of them.
Very few showcased this so elegantly, specially in English, as Floyd Toole; with whom I had the opportunity to have a few deep technical discussions about sound reproduction when he was doing a research study in signal integrity about 18-20 years ago.
Basically good gear will do... ( aiming at the best design there is in the world make no sense for most people anyway )
But nothing will replace acoustic...
Sound is subjective until it intersects with science,
i say the same thing than you but less economically: things begin to be interesting at this intersection between subjective and objective... Why ?
Because save for some people, learning is a PROCESS in time AROUND this intersection... My subjective ecaluation has changed each week for almost the last 2 years... I was learning how to put in place the conditions to increase the value of my subjective evaluation...
Buying something and writing that this is good and this is my subjective ruling evaluation means not a lot... Only the objective process guiding us to our subjective evaluation means something FOR ALL...
Selling a piece of gear, even a good one and saying thaty only subjective appreciation means something is preposterous...Audio reviews are indicative of a trend in bulk numbers but thats all.. Each separate subjective evaluation means almost nothing save if the reviewer guide us through an objective learning path to increase our own subjective perception...But most revewers sell gear... very few educate...
It is acoustic 101 who was my guiding rule ...
I bought nothing else than basic gear and my ratio S.Q. price is over the roof...
Thanks to acoustic treatment and mechanical acoustic control and tuning of the Speakers/ room...
And vibrations control could cost very low...
And cleaning the electrical noise floor too...
i dont understand that most people cannot figure this ....
And go on buying costly upgrade or partial costly "tweak" solution...
Acoustics play a big part on sound reproduction, and it is a science too. Just like with painting, music, photography, glass blowing and cooking, you need to understand and have a relationship with the basic principles that govern your art.
Knowing about harmonics does not mean you can make music and the opposite is true. If you don't know harmonics and rhythm it is extremely likely your music will not stand the test of time.
@jerryg123 we are in very good company. Once a doctor of mine who had one PhD in history and another in Autism, told me never in the history of humanity there has been an autistic person leading the world to war or genocide; and that the vast majority of transcendental scientific achievements that have made this world a better place to live, have been the product of people in the spectrum. I can live with this :)
Having being thoroughly entertained by this whole thread, I thought at times, Where is Judge Judy? or at other times the hilarious lines from Abbot and Costello,Who’s on first base…… etc.
The other peculiarity is (and don’t take this personally Ted), the photo of Ted standing in front of the drinks counter, daylight shining through the large windows in the background, the time is 2:23 am!
I honestly do not know how a thread could deteriorate to a libellous push and shove. This is why I no longer participate very much. Oh, I read most of the postings to see if there is anything new I can learn.
I see Teddy 3 is playing the *run squealing to the moderators game* … No great surprise given his track record of making posts containing uncomfortable reading disappear…
You TWO clowns really need to put a cork in it. I've seen enough and read enough to know neither of you are here for the benefit of anyone other than to speak badly of certain people.
I'm going to actively and openly participate in teaching you both some manners.
I personally think you are BOTH cowards. I don't like what you do or say. You SAY God bless at the end of your post jerry and say FU through the post. That my friend is the worst of the worst.
You both need a LONG time out on your active campaign to derail threads and flame merchants who sell here on a regular basis.
You BOTH are full blow anarchist. You have no purpose other than to create a semblance of "God Bless" when in reality it is just the opposite. Unless I missed something, several time tsushima1 has been confronted because of IT'S foul nature in responding to anyone. STOP and speak with respect or leave.
If your going to speak about anyone on AG do so with respect in private and praise in public. BOTH of you have been trying to push your ugliness, one rather openly, one underhandedly as a team effort. Even the locals weren't as brazen as you two.
It's almost like you two bad brothers, both with different personalities but both with the same agenda. CAUSE discourse and mess with AG.
Admin would you do something about these two, or give me my walkin' papers. I've heard and read enough. There is NO reasoning with either. It's easy to see the "TEAM" from AH has invaded like a Covid variant on AG. I need a 4th shoot.
Please add them to the George list.
Once, twice, three time. When is enough enough. PAGES of insults... over and over. The same CLOWN crowd use to harass the heck out of a few here, not a single OPEN "STOP THAT" from admin. Post some silly rule instead of saying in front of everyone (just like this) TO STOP! or GO! period. Make your choice!
I'll speak with my wallet. I don't need to BEG for donations to keep my affairs in order. I've always funded myself.. I can always take my wares and business elsewhere.
Thank you ALL for reading and admin I bid you adieu!
Well thanks to whichever child on this thread had my post deleted regarding autism. I actually live with high functioning autism and was simply making a reference that there are a lot on this site that have the same condition. At least I can add more people to the list that I can ignore. The whole lot of you need to toughen up.
Quite Mr_wabbit …Anyone who would stoop so low as to make light of, and make reference to, such a debilitating medical condition and use that as a weapon to label his critics should be thoroughly ashamed of their despicable conduct.
Cool down folks. Even if Agon isn’t "political", everything is. Some are out to grab more cake. Some are accused if they dont have golden ears - or, some condition. Take it as it comes. Over here in Europe, many are concerned that the US will be polarized, paving the way to authoritarian rule. Support Agon as a democratic, decent, "talk of the people" kind of forum.
@lemonhazehe will not. He will continue to go through life making fun of people, because since he can’t argue with facts, his only way to feel important and superior is degrading people, calling autistic people ass burgers, and making fun of anyone that does not agree with him.
What a pitiful way to live life.
@lemonhaze he will not. He will continue to go through life making fun of people, because since he can’t argue with facts, his only way to feel important and superior is degrading people, calling autistic people ass burgers, and making fun of anyone that does not agree with him.
What a pitiful way to live life.
I believe that narcissists can behave that way?
The other track people can go is to depression. Those people usually are more important than they feel, and not as inferior as they believe that they are.
My observation is that when someone gets banned here they probably did something to clearly deserve it. I have seen that the Gon prefers to not ban people if at all possible. I believe they issue warnings first. When it happens it’s probably because warnings were ignored and something was deemed bad for business. Gotta take off the blinders! I doubt anyone gets banned or restored based solely on whether someone else likes them or not.
The real problem with aggressive and insulting posters, with trolls and “experts” issuing absolute pronouncements when they have a total of 20 posts and joined last month is that good folks who have posted and contributed kind and valuable advice and input just go elsewhere. Casually useful threads never get started. The last thing I need is to post an observation only to be attacked by some dude with his Humperdink integrated and he just discovered Harbeths and proclaims them the final word. Agressively.
Ive discovered the sooner you take a bully to the woodshed the better. The community benefits rather than the community being abandoned. Im sure aim not the only one who has seen the sparsity of interesting threads being started because of the same two or three people crashing every party. Ask a question about which tube someone prefers in their preamp and you get the usual “tubes suck”, “buy Tektons”, “you are an idiot if you arent using a magenta fuse”, “try chucks contact enhancer on the pins” and my favorite….”you wont hear any difference because they measure the same according to Amir”. Not to mention the amateur scientists and conspiracy nuts.
And no, it isnt censorship…its a standard of behavior to honor or simply move on….good people move on first, bad people move on later once theyve sucked the life out.
on the active mcintosh post i called out an argumentative user with 65 posts in 60 days since joining... zero marketplace feedback, zero sales or purchases, country of origin listed as 'n/a'... 5-6-7 posts in a row, piss piss piss on mcintosh, picking fights with longstanding users here ... so tired of this...
Tammy and Audiogon have an opportunity to reclaim the high ground…or not. If they do so, at least initially, the forums will be slower. They should stay the course though. Pick the weeds, things look sparse until the desired growth has time to fill in. Listen, I love oldhvymec 60-70 % of the time and the other times he needs the penalty box. In my experience, formerly tough guys have to find their new identity when life evolves and they can no longer clear out the bar for the hell of it. Some hard standards of decorum will help. Or not.
I doubt the site WANTS to ban people. It’s bad for business to lock out potential customers. But any business has to maintain a certain degree of decorum to avoid turning customers off and them leaving of their own accord. We need to be glad there is a forum at all. Moderating it has to be considered an expense. More automation would help. So I think I get it. I would not hold out hope though that there would ever be any constraints in place that censure people just because somebody does not like what they say about this or that hifi topic. Other things may be more important or sensitive. Censoring is bad for business and people have a right to say what they want but not to expect no consequences either good or bad. It is what is it. Gotta just make the best of it. Nobody is required to take anything from a "bully". In some cases, like with certain personality disorders, resistance may be futile and best thing is to just ignore. Or flag posts or threads if one must. That is the mechanism provided. Just use discretion. Not liking someone or what they say alone is not a good reason to censor. Is the post even potentially harmful, threatening, ominous or just outright dishonest in some way? Different story. If one cares then it is their job to help mind the shop when needed. It’s an imperfect world, what can you say? Be tolerant but stand up for what is "right". Off soapbox.....cheers!
@mapman: I can assure you the vast majority of those people have zero intentions to buy or sell anything here. the "potential" part is close to zero. They are here for the mayhem in the forums only.
@thynamethe mayhem they create is their hobby, not audio. The next time they’re in the throughs of yet another manufactured outrage, ask to see a picture of their system and you discover their drama is nothing more than a smoke screen to obscure the fact they have a poor system. They also tend to be jealous and covetous. It’s always the same pattern, essentially psychological and personality disorders on full display.
@mapman : I can assure you the vast majority of those people have zero intentions to buy or sell anything here. the "potential" part is close to zero. They are here for the mayhem in the forums only.
I am sure that happens, but I don’t think that alone violates any site rules. An audiogon user gets access to forums and ability to transact. So I would assert that is just par for the course. Also if one gets caught up in the forums actually discussing hifi and music, there is perhaps a greater chance they will buy or sell something. I think that is why the forum exists.....to help plant the seeds per se.
ask to see a picture of their system and you discover their triggered outrage is nothing more than a smoke screen to obscure the fact they have a poor system.
Well, maybe if you are here on a free forum you can help them out with some free advice.
People will self police when there is a “do not cross this line” policy in place. It forces a “when in doubt, dont do it” mentality.
Worked in a bar in my younger college years with such a policy and they had a reputation for no BS. One fight in the couple of years I was there…it was broken up by other patrons and the two fighters were banned. I dropped in many years later, the place still feels the same, alot of friendly faces and the names of those two guys were still in the spiral notebook. There were only a handful of names listed after theirs. Amazingly, having a standard of behavior works.
Are the banned patrons evil? No but they decided the rules didnt apply….they were wrong. Things escalate without lines in the sand. Ive been guilty of raising my rhetoric on occasion with some who appear to be cultivating a personal confrontation. I would not have if there were enforced standards.
@mapman : I can assure you the vast majority of those people have zero intentions to buy or sell anything here. the "potential" part is close to zero. They are here for the mayhem in the forums only.
I am more prone to looking for things like a used phono stage than fuses, but there is still probably value in technical and subjective exchanges.
@ted_denneyYou are egging them on now. Also coming across as an arrogant elitist.
Just my initial reaction to your post.
the mayhem they create is their hobby, not audio. The next time they’re in the throughs of yet another manufactured outrage, ask to see a picture of their system and you discover their drama is nothing more than a smoke screen to obscure the fact they have a poor system. They also tend to be jealous and covetous. It’s always the same pattern, essentially psychological and personality disorders on full display.
@holmz Personally, I am always on the lookout for something new and better. Also to learn something new and useful and share it with others. Technology is always advancing...never stagnant. Its like a treasure hunt but I have had numerous hits along the way to make the journey worthwhile. I like to get it right (for me) then leave it be until there is a good reason to do something new or different. "Good sound" is a somewhat subjective thing but the fundamental parameters that define it and what it takes to attain it effectively is not.
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